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Well that was 20+ miles of reasonably consistent cross country driving, didn't touch the handbrake at any point (no good hair pin bends around here!) The back wheels stayed cool and felt completely normal after the run. 

So its parked up, seems okay I may still have an issue with the handbrake mechanism but wont  know until I do a bit more driving tomorrow (were I shall use the handbrake in a conventional kind of way). 

 

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Warning this Honda update, includes crap pictures and too much writing.........

I have been putting more miles on the Honda, the rear end is okay no more over heating hubs/brakes and no noise... from the rear.... Err but there is now a quieter bearing noise from the front end, oh how delightful!!!

I assumed it was the front wheel bearings, what is else could it be? I purchased a pair of new bearings and as I had a few days off thought I would tackle this job.  I had the car jacked up front wheels off and spun up the the hubs and couldn't really hear anything, then I had a mild brainwave and fetched my mechanics stethoscope, and decided to listen to the bearings, they both sounded okay, no grumbling but on the drivers side I could hear something further up the drive shaft.

The drivers side has an intermediate shaft and secondary/support bearing (to try and eliminate torque steer by keeping the main drive shafts the same length each side, even though the diff is not central).  I stuck the end of the stethoscope on the bearing support and to my relief got a proper rumble, well its much easier to sort  than a noisy diff! Okay not dead scientific and the front bearing may still be past their best but as a starter for ten I decided to change tack and just replace the drive shaft bearing...

So after a bit of googling and not finding much in the way of useful info, I decided to chuck the car over the pit and have a crack at the issue. Getting the the end of the drive shaft free from the hub was straight forward, the next step I thought would be to to unbolt the bearing support bracket...

To do this I found the one bolt was just totally inaccessible unless you remove the rear engine mount.....  So after a bit of a fight I removed the engine mount and finally accessed the impossible bolt. I then eased the drive shaft out of the diff and free'ed it from the car...

Engine mount obscuring the support bearing..(support bearing thing in the red circle)

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mount off...

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Driveshaft coming out...

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Ta dah....

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Actually although this looked like progress it was actually a bit of a mistake...

To remove the bearing, first you need to split the drive shaft  flexible end from the so called intermediate shaft.... That was held in by a snap ring and there was no way it was coming apart on the bench.

So the best solution I could come up with was to re fit the drive shaft, bolt the support bearing back in place and ease the drive shaft off the end with a pry bar from under the car. I could then unbolt the inter shaft again and free it from the diff...... What a bloody faff! 

But anyway we had separated shafts and some actual progress...

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Next job, how to press out the bearing, which is a slight challenge as I don't have a press, mind you I do have a 20 ton hydraulic hub puller, some old scrap and a welder...

Firstly make a small frame out of scrap square section steel.

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Make up some plates so I can make the hole a bit smaller if needed.

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The setup....

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In the mean time I finally found a video on how to disassemble the drive shaft, which was helpful, except I managed to miss hear or misinterpret one of the procedures and thought that you need to put support behind the bearing it self to push out the drive shaft, Wrong! If you do that you damage a metal dirt shield that is a loose-ish part of the drive shaft, bugger! 

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Doesn't look like much but it rotates with the shaft and will rub on the bracket and I cannot straighten it out... On the plus side the bracket and bearing are nice and separate and the bracket is fine!

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And that is as far as I have got with spanering. I have ordered a 2nd hand inter shaft from ebay and tomorrow I will be ordering a new bearing and some other odds and sods from Honda. Hoping for a quite and refined Accord in a week or so!

Thanks for reading...

 

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When driving if you cornered did the noise increase/decrease at all?

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21 hours ago, red5 said:

When driving if you cornered did the noise increase/decrease at all?

It just increased with speed, cornering made no noticeable difference. 

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My Connect van has a 2 piece driveshaft like that. A complete assembly, CV joints , support bearing, the whole caboodle was about £50.  I don’t understand how all of that precision engineering can be so cheap.

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On 7/31/2023 at 8:45 PM, Asimo said:

My Connect van has a 2 piece driveshaft like that. A complete assembly, CV joints , support bearing, the whole caboodle was about £50.  I don’t understand how all of that precision engineering can be so cheap.

Fifty quid is stupidly cheap! Sadly or possibly quite rightly, Honda Accord drive shafts are more expensive than that.... Even a second hand complete one from Lithuania (the unofficial home of used car parts it seems)  was £220.

 

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The boot has split on the Connect's other driveshaft. Not worth pissing about with boot-kits when the whole shaft is this cheap. Used driveshafts on eBay are more expensive.

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https://www.jandrcvjoints.co.uk

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