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16 hours ago, Jamie said:

i had a mulberry highline complete with matching leather! Paid £350 for it off the original owner in 2013 with a bit of a rattly chain, ragged the balls off it and scrapped it when i put a trolley jack through the sill 3 months later. Great buy though. 

 

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Typical mk3 - clean on top yet grim underneath!

Was yours actually scrapped or broken for parts? My old mk2 had a 2.8 VR6 dropped in around 2013 - they were still fairly sought-after lumps at the time.

I'll be honest, I preferred the VR6 in the light mk2 shell. I'd have mine back in a heartbeat. That sound too...

 

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19 minutes ago, Dick Longbridge said:

Typical mk3 - clean on top yet grim underneath!

Was yours actually scrapped or broken for parts? My old mk2 had a 2.8 VR6 dropped in around 2013 - they were still fairly sought-after lumps at the time.

I'll be honest, I preferred the VR6 in the light mk2 shell. I'd have mine back in a heartbeat. That sound too...

 

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oh yea sorry, it was stripped before being scrapped, it just was rotten as a pair like you say, those plastic arch trims/sills hide a multitude of sins!

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Why were Mk3 Golf’s so bad? 
I helped my landlady replace her M reg example in 2007 and it was absolutely rotten, lots of patches here and there, like it was a 1970s Datsun or something. The engine was on its way out as well. 

It was only a GL so no plastic skirts/sill covers or other bits anywhere, it was just good old fashioned bad rust.

Was it the steel or the paint? - around the early 1990s there was a big move to water based paints as opposed to oil-based, I remember Mercedes going on about it with the first C class. 

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4 hours ago, Talbot said:

Not a specific car, but a function of a lot of cars these days.. warning alarm for seatbelt not being worn.  Makes me irrationally angry and all I want to do is stab the sounder with a large flatblade screwdriver, repeatedly until it shuts up.  If I need to move a car about for a few hundred yards, up a driveway or some other situation, I'm not going to wear a belt, and thats my cocking choice.  Stop telling me what to do and just generally fuck off.  Now.

One of the things I like about the Merc.  It will warn you if you've left your lights on, which is handy.  It will advise if you've pulled away with the handbrake on, which is sensible.  But you can drive it down the motorway with your belt off in absolute silence without a single warning noise or lamp.  Good.

I've been known to pull the passenger seatbelt over and click it into the drivers reciever before now to shut a know-it-all car up before now.  If anything, the warning beep makes me more intent on driving without my belt on.

Yes, I know... I should always wear a seatbelt yadda yadda.  One saved my life once, I know how important they are.   It's still my sodding choice to put it on, not the cocking vehicle.

Good call. Yes I also hate the seatbelt alarms, as you say they're incredibly annoying when just moving cars around.

My dad's MK3 Mondeo has one, as does their Mitsubishi Outlander 'PHEV' hybrid thing. That goes one step further though as it's not just linked into the drivers seat. I got into the back and the car started squawking at me to put my seatbelt on as I'm just reaching to put it on. Seriously, I hate this kind of nannying shit in cars these days, treating the owners and their passengers like complete fucking simpletons. All that bullshit like lane departure warnings, and the car braking for you if it detects a hazard, would drive me mad.

Thank goodness the newest car I own is a 24 year old Rover 620, which has none of this rubbish - just one alarm if you've left your lights on, and a handbrake warning light, just like Talbot's Merc. Which is very sensible.

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28 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Why were Mk3 Golf’s so bad? 
I helped my landlady replace her M reg example in 2007 and it was absolutely rotten, lots of patches here and there, like it was a 1970s Datsun or something. The engine was on its way out as well. 

It was only a GL so no plastic skirts/sill covers or other bits anywhere, it was just good old fashioned bad rust.

Was it the steel or the paint? - around the early 1990s there was a big move to water based paints as opposed to oil-based, I remember Mercedes going on about it with the first C class. 

I think they made the mk2 exceptionally well. I’m pretty sure you’re right that the mk3 was made with water based paint and it rusted under the plastics,  sill covers bumpers etc and (on the gti) the wheel arch covers. I quite like the Golf, in mk1,2,3,4 and mk5, but for me they are far to expensive when compared to a Focus, I’m not a fan of the styling of the mk1 focus but still, value wise it’s Ford all the way I think 

 

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5 hours ago, Talbot said:

Not a specific car, but a function of a lot of cars these days.. warning alarm for seatbelt not being worn.  Makes me irrationally angry and all I want to do is stab the sounder with a large flatblade screwdriver, repeatedly until it shuts up.  If I need to move a car about for a few hundred yards, up a driveway or some other situation, I'm not going to wear a belt, and thats my cocking choice.  Stop telling me what to do and just generally fuck off.  Now.

One of the things I like about the Merc.  It will warn you if you've left your lights on, which is handy.  It will advise if you've pulled away with the handbrake on, which is sensible.  But you can drive it down the motorway with your belt off in absolute silence without a single warning noise or lamp.  Good.

I've been known to pull the passenger seatbelt over and click it into the drivers reciever before now to shut a know-it-all car up before now.  If anything, the warning beep makes me more intent on driving without my belt on.

Yes, I know... I should always wear a seatbelt yadda yadda.  One saved my life once, I know how important they are.   It's still my sodding choice to put it on, not the cocking vehicle.

My old KIA Optima wouldn't release the electric handbrake unless you had your seatbelt on. One of the few things I didn't like about that car, a massive pain the tits if you just needed to move it.

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4 minutes ago, Jamie said:

i woulnd't say that, most of those were rotten around the mid 00's aswell. Every generation of golf ive seen 1/2/3/4/5 n they all suffer from rust.

Fair enough, I think they were well made. Compared to the Mk1, which seemed to be made from old Fiat 131’s. 
The Peugeot 205 was well made too, I thought.

 

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2 minutes ago, Jamie said:

i woulnd't say that, most of those were rotten around the mid 00's aswell. Every generation of golf ive seen 1/2/3/4/5 n they all suffer from rust.

I've owned too many from mk1s all the way to mk4s. The mk4s were the most rust resistant, closely followed by the mk2. Mk1s liked to rot when older although it was a slower process than their contemporaries. 

Mk3s though... I'm pretty sure they're made from recycled D plate Escort and Orions. Horrendous.

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22 minutes ago, Dick Longbridge said:

I've owned too many from mk1s all the way to mk4s. The mk4s were the most rust resistant, closely followed by the mk2. Mk1s liked to rot when older although it was a slower process than their contemporaries. 

Mk3s though... I'm pretty sure they're made from recycled D plate Escort and Orions. Horrendous.

have only ever experienced one Mk2 which was an oak green K plate which a mate had with rainbow cloth, gorgeous thing, but was bad underneath the plastics. 

 

Mk4's as you say just the front wings due to the plastic arch liner which seems to affect most german mid 90's / early 00's stuff

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40 minutes ago, Angrydicky said:

Yes I also hate the seatbelt alarms, as you say they're incredibly annoying when just moving cars around.

My Fabia has no such thing, same for the doors. Has no alarms except for when the ABS, PAS, or some other electronic gizmo dies. 

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There's a bloke down the road from me that's a proper VW botherer.  Two T2s, a MK1 Golf and now a MK1 Jetta.  Walked past with the dog as he was polishing the Golf which has just been restored.  He's delighted he got a clean MoT on it straight away.  It's got BBS alloys and carbon fibre (looking) seats in the front, rear seats have been taken out and it's had a few other mods but it's a great looking thing.  Haven't seen the bloke in about a year and he recognised me straight away from the last time we chatted.

That doesn't make me angry at all.  I get that VWs aren't for everyone, there's definitely a scene tax and there are other cars worthy of attention - but I like them.  I'm not a cultist.  I'm not there licking my MK4 Golf (I'd probably catch botulism) but I'm very fond of it.

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1 hour ago, Jamie said:

i woulnd't say that, most of those were rotten around the mid 00's aswell. Every generation of golf ive seen 1/2/3/4/5 n they all suffer from rust.

Yeah, but by the mid 2000s they were pushing 20 years old (and many of them weren't rotten, you could still find rust-free, sub-£1K drivers on G plates in 2010ish) whereas their contemporaries from PSA etc. were made in the 1980s and rotten by the 1990s.

With the Mk 3 Golf it flipped; the car was a bloated POS by comparison to the lovely Mk II, and PSA had the ZX and 306 developed to answer the Mk II's standards, which were (for PSA) wonderfully-made cars - 306s had a 12 year body warranty and FELT solid in a way that 309s never did.

Mk II pushed the boundaries. Mk III cost-reduced, profit-first bollocks. And amusingly, that's where Xsara and 307 went too...

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Actually, I feel that needs more context.

Around the time the Mk II Golf came out, cars on my street growing up were things like an early Lancer Turbo and stuff. We had an Audi 80 and my mum will have had either a yellow Mini or a black Polo - I forget which.

The car I remember most is a P-registered Cortina. Mk II, it was a friend's dad's car and it had a bitumen tidemark halfway up the doors. I remember it from about 1982, when the car was five years old.

FIVE YEARS OLD. It had lost most of the bottom of the doors. And this was commonplace - cars on the estate near the school were S, T-reg, and they already looked shabby. My parents were utter snobs, so I was exposed to shitty opinions about such things, but even in hindsight - those 1970s cars were absolutely dire.
It's against that backdrop that the solid, wax-filled, heavily-painted, well-made Mk II Golf landed.

And for context, my parents had already encountered a Karmann Ghia Razoredge they owned - '69, would have been about six to eight years old - having to be scrapped because it was rotten and the steering box was seized up.

It's this era - the B2/B3 Audi 80 and Passat (and they rot), the W124 (rotbox, but Sacco panels), the Mk II Golf - that earned the almost undeserved reputation of German cars as premium (alongside tariffs in the '70s making imports for posh people only); these Mercedes, VAG and BMW cars do rust - but they took a lot longer to do it than the cars that generation of driver had been driving before.

Now of course we see 2008 Ford Focuses bimbling about and as long as the DMF and injector seals haven't detonated, we don't give them a second glance.

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On 1/11/2022 at 7:38 PM, LabRat said:

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It could have been so much more- the chassis is shortened mg zt, the engine a reworked k series turbo, so not a bad start. It's even pretty decent to look at.

But then there's the SAIC involvement- a Chinese copy of an already shit Toyota gearbox that strips gears for fun, meaning the engine has to be throttled back to save it  Electronic door locks that fail locked, resulting in having to break door cards to access, plastics by fisher price... And the complete, total and utter failure by MG to even bother marketing it  or provide parts support. Oh, and the boat anchor diesel engine.

Not so much missed the mark, as didn't bother aiming in the first place.  So instead we get the modern MG suv's and anyone who bought a 6 is stuck with a car that makes a Laguna 2 look like the pinnacle of reliability, with all the retained value of a used nappy. 

They still do a range of saloons and whatnot. Just not for the likes of the UK

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On 1/12/2022 at 10:43 PM, Dick Longbridge said:

For sure. They reverted back to better rust resistance for the mk4. The mk3 was a proper oddball though. Mrs DL owned a mk3 97 mk3 tdi Golf and we sold it when it was around ten years old. That thing was seriously crispy on top and underneath by then. You could just tell it wouldn't survive another couple of winters unless some major work was untaken to slow down the gingerness. My brother bought one of my old mk3 vr6s from me at a similar age and sold it to one of his mates after leaving it laid up for 18 months. Apparently the mate spent the next few days welding it up. The bodywork on that one looked clean but it was fizzing away at  a rate of knots below the underseal. 

Talking about rusty VAG shite how about the VW K70 from just after when VW had become a group rather than just a company. Local had one when I started work in 1978 on a K plate so maximum 7 yo and it was properly fucked and looked it too. He bought a Cavalier as a replacement.

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Honda Jazz.

Invariably driven by old arthritic old codgers that really shouldn't be on the road.

I was with a mate last year, following one driving at 30mph down some A road that didn't have any bits quite straight enough to overtake.

I joked "I bet she's off to church or something" and literally a minute later, she pulled into the church hall fete.

Weirdly, I have a mate who has a particularly hot Honda Euro Type R with all the mods. His daily is a baSE Jazz. I cannot even start to understand how this happened. I regularly rip the piss for this.

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18 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Why were Mk3 Golf’s so bad? 
I helped my landlady replace her M reg example in 2007 and it was absolutely rotten, lots of patches here and there, like it was a 1970s Datsun or something. The engine was on its way out as well. 

It was only a GL so no plastic skirts/sill covers or other bits anywhere, it was just good old fashioned bad rust.

Was it the steel or the paint? - around the early 1990s there was a big move to water based paints as opposed to oil-based, I remember Mercedes going on about it with the first C class. 

The Swedes tried to mandate water based paint back in the 70s but had to give the idea up after Saab and Volvo told the government that they had to choose between using ecologically sound paint and having a motor industry because no-one buys cars that dissolve in a few years.

MK3 Golfs are bad, but Ventos, which are the saloon version, don't seem to.

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5 hours ago, sutty2006 said:

Toyota Prius. 
 

ground zero of all hybrid hate. 

I had a Prius company car. I hated it. Every time I looked at it, it filled me with anger.

BUT, for all its faults (the exterior and the interior), it actually drove quite well and had a fair bit of poke. It also did great MPG. Not to mention it was actually more practical than the Vectra it replaced.

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2 hours ago, loserone said:

You lot realise that the whole premise of the thread was to take the piss out of of exactly this kind of wank? 

I think its because you got the title wrong

it should be "cars that make people angry" to prompt discussion about cars that commonly piss people off

rather then discussion about cars that personally piss you off

if that makes any sense!

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20 hours ago, Angrydicky said:

Mitsubishi Outlander 

Seriously, I hate this kind of nannying shit in cars these days. 

Mine had another bleeper outside for if the key was left in the car,  a door not shut, and several seemingly random things. It would bleep while you were sitting at traffic lights for no apparent reason. 

The bleeper "fell off" one day and the car was much improved. 

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Actual cars with actual names that I actually loathe are few and far between because everything looks not that bad compared with today's waddling gutbuckets. Some that come to mind include:

The Standard 8: Worst British car ever built and that is up against some pretty stout competition.

VW Polo (all marks, all models): The worst car ever built. I come from a very VW background and can hold my own when some dweeb says something incorrect about T3 washer bottles but I hate everything about every VW Polo. 

Ro80: The staple of the pub bore who once read a copy of Classic Cars when Martin Buckley was going on about them. One of the greatest cars ever yet it managed to bankrupt its manufacturer and had a decent go of doing the same to its owners so it can't have been, you know, that brilliant. Anyway, everyone with eyes that work know that the K70 was a far better car. 

M100 Elan: Front wheel drive? Get stuffed.

Porker Pecan: Yes it's very sad that the once great Porsche is reduced to having its badge slapped on any old tat but that's the way of the world. While bloaters like the Cayenne is met with irritation and eye rolling there is something so utterly crap about the Pecan that I manage to find enough energy to hate it. 

BMW 0.5 Series: If I start I won't stop. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Berkeley T60

Not Biggleswade's finest hour as a caravan manufacturer making a floppy top fiberglass car using bent aluminum sheet bonded into the fiberglass floor as structure, no heater, crosscut sequential gearbox and a Siba dynastart.   Crap crap crap. I had several then fled the country in embarrassment, I'd even got a "parking place" in a lottery for a few spare parking places at work in the Exec carpark by the front door and was asked not to park there. 

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12 minutes ago, castros_bro said:

Berkeley T60

Not Biggleswade's finest hour as a caravan manufacturer making a floppy top fiberglass car using bent aluminum sheet bonded into the fiberglass floor as structure, no heater, crosscut sequential gearbox and a Siba dynastart.   Crap crap crap. I had several then fled the country in embarrassment, I'd even got a "parking place" in a lottery for a few spare parking places at work in the Exec carpark by the front door and was asked not to park there. 

My dad has similar opinions about my mum's one.

I still want one. There's a 2CV powered one on eBay...

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