Ben_O Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I have the chance to purchase a 2002 x type. It's nice condition but an mot failure. Here are the failures and advisories. It's done 163,000 miles and is a 2.0 manual. Interior is mint and it's just had a load of bodywork done. Wheels are poor. Doing the work doesn't concern me. I just don't know anything about them and if it's worth the effort. Price is £230 which is what the scrapman has offered. cheers Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurious Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I don't know anything about them really. But it depends on how rotten that subframe is and how much of the advisories are just arse covering or is it a car that's neglected and had big jobs put off until tomorrow... If it needs a boatload of brake work, new tyres, a subframe and some suspension joints then it's costing more than one with a clean MOT already. stripped fred 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Pastry Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I am not really into moderns, but I have enjoyed the X types I have driven, and they are nice cars to be in. From what I have seen of the way they are built while doing various jobs on them, I would avoid that one. Some of that work is going to be a right faff. They are really not worth restoring unfortunately. I would look for one with an MOT that you can enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Horatio gearbox Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I had a 53 plate 2.5 estate for a few years . At that price and fail sheet you will be in it for many times your purchase price to fix. Mine had 2 OS front wheel bearings and I offer it to WBAC a a rear suspension Bush had failed and the whole back end had to come apart to replace it. They penchant for the tracking to go out on the front if you showed it a speed bump mine was done 4 or 5 times while I had it and it trashed the contin on kt on 10k miles. Comfy ride tho nice not mega sporty handling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripped fred Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 The rusty subframe would put me off. motorpunk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ0063 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 It’s a Mondeo with a posh set of panels isn’t it? I wouldn’t bother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimo Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Mondeo VandenPlas - Hyacinth Bouquet edition. Leyland Worldmaster, Dan_ZTT, MJK 24 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colino Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 It's 11% Mondeo, but putting that aside, that's a mixed bag fail. Subframe needs work, but the sills don't? Failing the brake fluid, when they can't even take off the cap is always sus. Just because it needs tyres and time with 163000 under its belt would make it an uneconomic fix. Plus I wouldn't use that tester again. Banger Kenny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_O Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 Thanks for all the comments guys. Really useful info. The mot tester is a friend and colleague and he says the rear frame can be welded. The advisories for rust on the floors is minor and can be cleaned and treated. The repairs are only going to cost my time plus front brakes and tyres so cost isn't really much of of issue. I am interested to hear about what they are like as it would be to replace my c180 so I don't want to end up with a car that's just going to cause me problems throughout ownership. I am considering just letting it go over the bridge though after reading opinions above. It's not a car that's been on my radar, it's just something that caught my eye when I saw how clean it is. I'll give it half hour on the ramp tomorrow after work to see how bad it is and then decide. Cheers so far for the comments. Ben Dan_ZTT, mercedade, stripped fred and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy18s Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 You need to get a look under the sill plastics,or at least have a good poke around them as they do like to dissolve there Banger Kenny and Low Horatio gearbox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Behind those sill covers will be metal with all the strength and integrity of a dry weetabix. Im assuming the rear subframe is pure Mk3 Mondeo, if that’s the case dont bother welding it, chuck it away, lifting the rear subframe out is piece of piss on a Mk3. Before I did anything I’d take those sill covers off. Then make a decision. Is it the 2.0 diesel? Banger Kenny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warch Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 My brother’s has a dubious looking front subframe which wasn’t visible when he bought it because of the undertray. Not a bad car per se and rust aside seems rather jolly in an Arthur Daley sort of way. That’s a truly intimidating litany of borkage though so I’d look for a better one if i were you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_O Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 Noted. I'll make aill cover removal the first thing I do. Although I'm already leaning towards not bothering even looking at it. It's a 2.0 petrol Cheers Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 If it’s any consolation the 2.0 petrol rarely gives any problems if it’s maintained, the rings can go but nothing like as prevalent as the 1.8 Duratec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty2006 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Rust. All of it. I used to love diesel mk3 mondeos but wouldn’t touch one now for fear it’s on its last legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, JJ0063 said: It’s a Mondeo with a posh set of panels isn’t it? No. No it's not. But the motoring press love to repeat that rhetoric. Low Horatio gearbox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuboy Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 id not bother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, sutty2006 said: Rust. All of it. I used to love diesel mk3 mondeos but wouldn’t touch one now for fear it’s on its last legs. I know but a good one is about £800 - £1k, you don’t stand to lose a lot when it craps out. They’re usually either very good or very bad. Cost of putting them right has dropped considerably over last few years, once disastrous FTPs like a cooked actuator are resolvable with some Mr Muscle and a £40 replacement actuator. They can be needy fuckers but if you are handy with the spanner’s it’s not too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Hunt Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I have had a 2.0 Pezza V6 that i’ve taken to 220k miles and it’s on the original clutch. in that time, it needed tyres, pads, front discs, wiper blades, waterpump, rear arb droplink, 2 * heated oxygen sensors a set of sparkplugs and an expansion tank. A sill repair damn fine cars i don’t know how involved the subframe is. MOT Tester strikes me as very ‘keen’ Banger Kenny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty2006 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 8 hours ago, sierraman said: I know but a good one is about £800 - £1k, you don’t stand to lose a lot when it craps out. They’re usually either very good or very bad. Cost of putting them right has dropped considerably over last few years, once disastrous FTPs like a cooked actuator are resolvable with some Mr Muscle and a £40 replacement actuator. They can be needy fuckers but if you are handy with the spanner’s it’s not too bad. Yeah they’re easy to repair if you have the time. Nowadays I really cant be arsed to be fixing one all the time lol. Had my fair share of sticky turbo veins and actuators over the years 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 41 minutes ago, sutty2006 said: Yeah they’re easy to repair if you have the time. Nowadays I really cant be arsed to be fixing one all the time lol. Had my fair share of sticky turbo veins and actuators over the years 😂 To be fair you can pick a good Mk4 up for £1500 and avoid all this shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobloseven Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Is it AWD? That might complicate subframe repairs. I suppose it depends on how much work you can do yourself and whether you want a project or a car to use straight away. Any X Type is an old car now and wonder if buying a "good" one would be much better than getting one with known faults cheaply and putting them right to your own standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBiscuits Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I had a 2.0 auto for a few years. I liked it, no ball of fire, but a nice smooth drive and the v6 sounds good. Not especially economical (about 28mpg avg.) though I expect the manual is better. Don't believe the posh mondeo stuff - yes there are some ford bits, but there's a lot that's not. They feel different to drive and the interior is nice. Had no trouble with mine really, was on 160k in the end. As others have said, the 2wd version is considerably more reliable and less complex. Somebody told me the rear suspension is the same as a mondeo estate - it certainly looked very ford. I'd mainly be checking for rust in the sills, the early ones (like this is) are much worse than post 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1am Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 13 hours ago, Ben_O said: I am interested to hear about what they are like as it would be to replace my c180 Having owned both I would choose the C180. They are both nice places to be but the Mercedes W202 build quality was fantastic, before they cheapened the brand. Do you need the space? The X-Type boot is really shallow so you can't carry anything too bulky. The "it's just a Mondeo in drag" comments are pub talk. Yes, it was based on a Mondeo floorpan, and used some Ford parts, but try an X-Type next to the same era Mondeo - they are completely different cars. Banger Kenny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Dobloseven said: Is it AWD? That might complicate subframe repairs. I suppose it depends on how much work you can do yourself and whether you want a project or a car to use straight away. Any X Type is an old car now and wonder if buying a "good" one would be much better than getting one with known faults cheaply and putting them right to your own standards. That’s pretty much always the case to be fair, a good one will cost you less than something that needs this, that and the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty2006 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I thought they only did the v6 in AWD? sierraman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBiscuits Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, sutty2006 said: I thought they only did the v6 in AWD? All the petrol were. The 2.0 is actually a 2.1 v6. You get some of the great sound, almost all of the thirst and none of the performance 😄. Main plus point of them now over the 4wd 2.5 & 3.0 is simplicity sutty2006 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_O Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 Thanks for every comment guys. It really helped me make a decision and its all based on what's been discussed here. I think I made the right choice, it's now gone away to be recycled into something more useful. Cheers all Ben C1am, Rusty_Rocket, mercedade and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Slow, thirsty, underwhelming and rusty. Where do I sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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