Dan302 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 "Performance and refinement" antony denman, ProgRocker, Peter C and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Probably better engineered than the current Ford/PSA 1.6 diesel. stuboy, cpjitservices and Dan302 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProgRocker Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Ah yes, I've watched this video. My YT comment is there from over a year ago. I liked my '94 Escort 1.8d. Dan302 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 3 hours ago, willswitchengage said: Probably better engineered than the current Ford/PSA 1.6 diesel. The later 8 valve unit in the Mk3 Focus isn’t s bad unit at all. Completely revised apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty998 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I had a F reg escort van for work many moons ago, it used to go quiet well for what it was, the G reg one's in the fleet were 1.8 but no faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Loved the 1.6 in my mk4 estate . Not fast but really economical and reliable . The 1.8 never seemed as willing or economical vaughant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacquer Peel Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Was it the 1.6 or 1.8 diesel that threw cambelts with regularity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan302 Posted November 7, 2020 Author Share Posted November 7, 2020 Was the 1.8 diesel in the Mk1 Focus related to the Escort 1.6/1.8 diesel unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaughant Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Lacquer Peel said: Was it the 1.6 or 1.8 diesel that threw cambelts with regularity? 1. 8 d could munch them but generally only if you ignored the 36k interval, I'll admit it was always the 1st job I got done on one as you recouped the money as soon as you sold it anyway. I used to get the full genuine Ford belt kit including tensioner for about £55 with my discount 🤣🤣. 1.6d was a great motor, literally lasted forever. Guy I know who's been trading for 50 odd years told me they were used by rank films back in the day to move the latest copies of films around their sites as to get extra copies back then was £££££. The little 1.6d fiestas would be pretty much in the road 24/7 and only switched off for drop offs. He told me the trick was to buy them at auction with say 36k on the clock but in truth that could be 236/336/436k and swap out the drivers seat, pedals and steering wheel to hide the mileage as the rest of the interior wasn't really used so like new. He reckons her never had a come back on one of them as they were so well serviced plus the engines were seriously bullet proof out of the factory. To be fair when Ford made seriously strong mechanicals. They do come in for a lot of criticism but I can say hand on heart their engineering expertise is years in advance of Honda, how they can mass produce so many cars/parts is unreal. The difference to Honda is the workforce are a lot more regulated and the process is a lot more labour intensive, basically with most Hondas you're practically getting bar maybe ten operations a hand built engine whereas with Ford you most likely get 10 hand built operations and the rest automated, and automation will follow a path within the parameters you set it whereas a human will usually notice if something is wrong and make decision based on that. Lacquer Peel and twosmoke300 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Isn’t the 1.6 loosely based on a Deutz motor or they worked with them to make it ? Either way it’s a bloody cracker of an engine . Just one timing belt too unlike the 1.8 with two or latterly that stupid wet belt system . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Dan302 said: Was the 1.8 diesel in the Mk1 Focus related to the Escort 1.6/1.8 diesel unit? Yes, it’s the Endura D, then it provided the base for the 1.8 TDCI in the Mk4 Mondeo albeit with CR injection. Dan302 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Just now, twosmoke300 said: Isn’t the 1.6 loosely based on a Deutz motor or they worked with them to make it ? Either way it’s a bloody cracker of an engine . Just one timing belt too unlike the 1.8 with two or latterly that stupid wet belt system . Deutz helped design the unit. Ford love the wet belt system, the 1.0 has one, 150k interval, huge job to swap. Not heard of any failing though, probably rubber tech has come a long way in last 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Plenty of 1.8 motors with them have failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Just now, twosmoke300 said: Plenty of 1.8 motors with them have failed. Not half! Then again there’s a lot of 1.8 TDCIs running about with 170-200k on the clock so they can’t have all failed. Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 It’s really hard to tell which ones have the wet belt system . Even autodata doesn’t tell you . I think it was only for a couple of years before they binned the 1.8 in favour of the 1.6 and 2.0 PSA motors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I think all the Mk4 Mondeo were belt, the change happened mid 2007, you can tell if you take the tensioner out, a wet belt will have a concave end, a chain will have a flat end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Not ideal when a customer asks for a quote ! mat_the_cat and sierraman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Don’t quote me but pre 2007 it’s probably a chain after could* be a chain but more than likely to be a belt. To be fair someone asking for a new wet belt on a 1.8 TDCI is probably looking thick end of £5-600 so it’s probably not economically viable for a lot of people on a 2007 car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holbeck Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 8 hours ago, twosmoke300 said: Isn’t the 1.6 loosely based on a Deutz motor or they worked with them to make it ? Ford contracted KHD (Deutz) to design the engine, but retained all ownership of the design. I understand the original plan was for KHD to also make it in Germany on Fords behalf before deciding they could make it more cheaply in house at Dagenham. twosmoke300 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Surprised it wasn’t air cooled 😂 holbeck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lankytim Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I suspect I'm not the only one thinking of corrosion resistance when they compared the competition. OBV the 206 wins hands down in the "least rot prone" award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey spud Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Back in the late 90's i used to mot a tidy Fiesta 1.6D van belonging to a local Sparky. The van was well looked after and always walked its mot except for the smoke test which it never passed first go and had to come back a week or so later where it would have then cleaned up its act and gained a pass. Years later i met Colin the Spark in a pub and he owned up to the iffy emissions every year it turned out he had been running it on a mix of heating oil from his houses central heating tank and diesel. When i failed it he would begrudgingly fill the tank with Esso's finest to get a pass. holbeck, Dan302 and Lacquer Peel 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJK 24 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Great video. The Mk2 Golf looks light years ahead on quality and finish. Though it was probably +25% of the Escort then. I now have a need for a Charade with a 3 pot diesel! Lacquer Peel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan302 Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 4 hours ago, MJK 24 said: Great video. The Mk2 Golf looks light years ahead on quality and finish. Though it was probably +25% of the Escort then. I now have a need for a Charade with a 3 pot diesel! This chap is restoring a 1 litre TD Charade (although a slightly later one, 1990 iirc) I really enjoy his videos. MJK 24 and Lacquer Peel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJK 24 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I only recently found out that the Daihatsu HiJet van was available with a tiny 3 pot diesel. Dan302 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacquer Peel Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, MJK 24 said: I only recently found out that the Daihatsu HiJet van was available with a tiny 3 pot diesel. The Hijet diesels sold here had a 4 cylinder 1.2 diesel from Lombardini, an engine better suited to a cement mixer or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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