Remspoor Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 What happened? Vid uploaded it said at the time just 20 mins ago. Thought great hit the play button.a Got as far as sending the letter to the DVLA and a message came upsaying it is now private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 I utterly ballsed up the edit, so badly I decided the only thing to do was take it down and try again. It'll take a while to reformat and upload, but there you are. It all went HubNut. Something else that went HubNut is the Matiz. The idle has been intermittenly iffy for the whole time I've had it second time around. Got a replacement idle control valve, fitted it and it began revving and blipping on idle in a most unsatisfactory manner. Put the old one in and it's much better, if not perfect. Oddly the old one has the plunger fully out, the new one has it fully in. Bit annoying. Remspoor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remspoor Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Unlike Furiousdriving who kept up a video with very poor sound. It was unwatchable. He has reuploaded it today. Wonder how long he took to remove it. Now seen you have a "replacement"vid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 Yes, a change to the scheduled programming, but a very good change. I was trying to rush today, edited the earlier video and the Daewoo because we're away this weekend. Don't think I made such a mess of the Daewoo thankfully... maxxo, privatewire, Zelandeth and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Are all of you piling into the Matiz for FOTU then? That's going to be a long trip. I foresee a lot of "Are we there yet?" from the back seat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 7 hours ago, dollywobbler said: Yes, a change to the scheduled programming, but a very good change. I was trying to rush today, edited the earlier video and the Daewoo because we're away this weekend. Don't think I made such a mess of the Daewoo thankfully... Thank you...your thoughts pretty much exactly mirrored mine from when I had a shot of one at the garage back in 2003 or so. The guys were quite disparaging about the "cheap ****" but I thought it was a thoroughly competent car. Comfy, quiet and cracking value for money. Especially on the secondhand market around then...you could get one for about the same price as a leggy Xantia with no options on it or service history at more than twice the age. I'm a huge fan of the Xantia and always have been, but I know which one I'd have chosen if I'd been shopping around at the time. Always thought the Espero was a truly cracking looking car, totally aside from how it drove. The Nexia I always thought was better than it had a reputation for. Yes it was a repackaged Astra, but that didn't make it a fundamentally bad car...it did a perfectly good job of being "an car" for the price. Just like Ladas did in the 70s and 80s...they were old fashioned but they did the job and were cheap. Yes they had some serious build quality wobbles in the early days, but we never had a bit of trouble with any we had through beyond silly things like bits of trim falling off. Oh, and that bloody manifold heat shield rattle... GrumpiusMaximus, BL Bloke, HarmonicCheeseburger and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyersey1234 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 How many miles has Myrtle done now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Jude Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 The Espero has aged very well compared to the other Daewoo's of that era. Hell, of any of the cars of that era. Floatylight and Six-cylinder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 13 hours ago, wuvvum said: Are all of you piling into the Matiz for FOTU then? That's going to be a long trip. I foresee a lot of "Are we there yet?" from the back seat... Thankfully not. Kids are at their dad's, dogs will be staying with a friend. So just the two of us experiencing the 'joy' of long-distance Matiz action. Can't really believe we're leaving the distance machine at home... 4 hours ago, Eyersey1234 said: How many miles has Myrtle done now? 93,000. wuvvum and Eyersey1234 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJK 24 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 I enjoyed that Daewoo video. Spurious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurious Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, MJK 24 said: I enjoyed that Daewoo video. Properly interesting video that. I'd have one myself and I've no idea why they didn't sell better? Maybe a bit of brand skepticism and the Mondeo would have stolen a lot of its thunder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 It's always hard to get a long-term test vibe in a quick hour behind the wheel, but plenty of them were used as minicabs, so I've no reason to doubt they were hardy in service. Maybe outdated for their time in terms of underpinnings, but plenty good enough nonetheless. warren t claim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colino Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 They were awful, basic throwbacks. They couldn't find a market because they were reskinned old cars and when the (best bit) revolutionary way of buying, servicing and warranty was scuppered by other dealers saying they would never take them as trade ins, buyers were put off. Unfortunately they didn't have the finance to weather the storm and get the cash flow to introduce new models so the idea went pop and we went back to the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 27 minutes ago, colino said: They were awful, basic throwbacks. They couldn't find a market because they were reskinned old cars and when the (best bit) revolutionary way of buying, servicing and warranty was scuppered by other dealers saying they would never take them as trade ins, buyers were put off. Unfortunately they didn't have the finance to weather the storm and get the cash flow to introduce new models so the idea went pop and we went back to the status quo. So awful and basic that they had ABS, air conditioning, four electric windows and a lovely sunroof? I think Daewoo Motor was defeated mostly by its ridiculously over-optimistic expansion plans. They went from nothing to global factories all over the world (including the former Oltcit factory in Romania, and the FSO factory in Poland) but ended up biting off more than they could chew. Ultimately, when they stopped reskinning Vauxhalls, the end products weren't really interesting enough. The Lanos, Nubira and Leganza just never quite cut it in a tough market. Spurious, BeEP, Mrcento and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurious Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 I was about to say, that looked well specced for a early 90s sedan. Aircon, PAS, Electrical windows, ABS. That's the sort of spec level we began to expect as normal by the time the Mk3 Mondeo came along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Jetter Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 I do wonder if the Halfords connection was off-putting for many people. Remspoor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurious Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, High Jetter said: I do wonder if the Halfords connection was off-putting for many people. I wonder. I didn't know that was a thing until @dollywobblermentioned it in a video when he first got the Matiz. There was Deawoo dealers in Ireland, I'm sure of it. We didn't have Halfords at the time I don't hink. And the Matiz was definitely sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurious Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Spurious said: I wonder. I didn't know that was a thing until @dollywobblermentioned it in a video when he first got the Matiz. There was Deawoo dealers in Ireland, I'm sure of it. We didn't have Halfords at the time I don't hink. And the Matiz was definitely sold. My memory is correct. Franchised owned by Nissan but at arms length. The local one to me was a Deawoo/Mitsubishi dealer, than a Chevrolet/Mitsubishi then moving the Kia only. I find it bizarre thinking about it here however. You could go in for a fluffy steering wheel cover, naff hubcaps and come out with a Matiz. Awfully strange. MJK 24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownnova Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 I used to spend ages down my local Halfords on the ‘spec your Daewoo’ computer speccing my dream Espero! theorganist, wuvvum, LightBulbFun and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Jetter Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Jeez, and I thought my teen years were boring! 😂 brownnova and chaseracer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Jude Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 15 hours ago, dollywobbler said: So awful and basic that they had ABS, air conditioning, four electric windows and a lovely sunroof? I think Daewoo Motor was defeated mostly by its ridiculously over-optimistic expansion plans. They went from nothing to global factories all over the world (including the former Oltcit factory in Romania, and the FSO factory in Poland) but ended up biting off more than they could chew. Ultimately, when they stopped reskinning Vauxhalls, the end products weren't really interesting enough. The Lanos, Nubira and Leganza just never quite cut it in a tough market. I think, especially with the FSO stuff, they took on the liabilities of the factory as well. Plenty of Polonez's were rocking around with the Daewoo emblem on them. They also managed to, somehow, reduce the build quality on the Polonez's too. I think too thats there was more to it than just the expansion. Expansion is fine if people are buying the cars, but even with the whole "That'll be the Daewoo" adverts, no one really wanted to drive them. Given, at the time, you could easily park next to a Daewoo in the Tesco car park and go in to the shop and buy a Daewoo microwave. Who wants to drive a microwave? They were cheap cars, and they were capable for a price point that was maybe slightly under what they were going for. Even a brand like Chevrolet, who went on to rebadge them, couldn't really make a go of it because the cars themselves weren't as good as contemporaries for the same - or less - money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyersey1234 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 15 hours ago, dollywobbler said: So awful and basic that they had ABS, air conditioning, four electric windows and a lovely sunroof? I think Daewoo Motor was defeated mostly by its ridiculously over-optimistic expansion plans. They went from nothing to global factories all over the world (including the former Oltcit factory in Romania, and the FSO factory in Poland) but ended up biting off more than they could chew. Ultimately, when they stopped reskinning Vauxhalls, the end products weren't really interesting enough. The Lanos, Nubira and Leganza just never quite cut it in a tough market. Unusual to have air con and a sunroof, usually it was one or the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownnova Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Inspired by this road test I went to check on the Espero on a driveway which is local-ish to me… Still there… slowly being subsumed into the bushes… Need to knock on about this sooner rather than later I think! mk2_craig, Floatylight, dome and 14 others 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozeydustman Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 When I worked at Brands Hatch I used to get a lift there from my supervisor who had a P-reg Espero. I remember it being very well appointed and relatively comfy for my ample bulk as a front seat passenger, but a bit cheap looking. Certainly better than the Samara he had before (not an awful car but very crudely finished) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remspoor Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Do not complain about the perceived lack of equipment in a Espero compared with other cars on the market at the time. If you do just take a look at the most basic Dacia and compare with other cars on the market now. The Espero was not so basic in it's time as say a Dacia is now. The real basic Access seems to have the minimum standard equipment so that it dose not loose any more safety stars. The quality of some components feel ultra cheap. I get the feeling the 30 year old car was built to a better standard. Does anyone think the Espero's headlights look like a Ford Sierra Mk3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserone Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Has @brownnova bought that espero yet? how about now? Cookiesouwest, HarmonicCheeseburger and LightBulbFun 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownnova Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, loserone said: Has @brownnova bought that espero yet? how about now? There’s another only slightly further away languishing on a drive… I’m thinking buy both and see which ones best… seems a sensible plan right? LightBulbFun, Eyersey1234, Dyslexic Viking and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Eminently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Jetter Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Plus another, for sparezes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrcento Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Remspoor said: Does anyone think the Espero's headlights look like a Ford Sierra Mk3? Yes. Whole car has vibes of a weird hybrid of Ford and citroen i always thought. Which is even weirder given the Vauxhall underpinnings. Eyersey1234 and Remspoor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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