FakeConcern Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I was watching a Yew choob vid and discovered that the 66 Ford Mustang had drums on the front! I passed my test in a 66 Cortina (1200 for extra shite points although it was deluxe so maybe cancels out) and that had discs on the front... It amy have been very slow to accelerate but it stopped quick... Here's the very vid I was watching... overrun and Cavcraft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadworkUK Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 The Mustang was a pretty crude device, just a Falcon under the surface. Having said that, I don't think there was a lot of Detroit iron with front discs until well into the 70s. Pretty sure most Chargers and Roadrunners ran drums all round. FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffcortinacentre Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Yep most yank stuff came std with front drums until the early 70's FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimo Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 My L plates were up in 1974, and everything this learner drove had unservo'd drums all round. And they were up to the job, except for the Transit. That van took some stopping, even empty. Back then I was a rugby forward and a cyclist, ie I had some leg muscle, and I had to get both feet on that brake pedal and pull like fcuk against the steering wheel to stop that thing "quickly". Brakes were not a Ford thing back in the sixties. FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsuncog Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 The Oldsmobile Toronado of 1966 boasted of its technological advancements such as front wheel drive and use of subframes, yet it still used nothing but drums all round too... Weighing in at over two tonnes, it was also badly prone to brake fade after not much use, leading some reviewers to describe them as 'terrifyingly inadequate'. For 1967, front discs became a cost option... and only became standard fitment on the Toronado for 1971. Seems that brakes weren't really a GM thing either. FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overrun Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 hours ago, FakeConcern said: I was watching a Yew choob vid and discovered that the 66 Ford Mustang had drums on the front! I passed my test in a 66 Cortina (1200 for extra shite points although it was deluxe so maybe cancels out) and that had discs on the front... It amy have been very slow to accelerate but it stopped quick... Here's the very vid I was watching... Haha I often watch V Tuned, too. Did you find him due to Samcrac? V Tuned is a funny one. He looks like a kid, surely can’t be older than mid twenties? but has like of this knowledge and his own business. Fair play! FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdkrc Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 The 66 Ford Galaxie I have has drums all round and is big'n'heavy. Trying to find conversion kits is difficult because as sheff said, nothing over there had discs til years later. Wonder why they held off on that, surely it can't be that much more expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkwheel Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 American cars were always bum basic spec unless optioned differently. You tended to get what you paid for, really odd things were extras.....Fag lighter, chrome side trim, two tone paint, power brakes, discs, opening quarter lights, radio, seat trim, bench or buckets. Basically, you could go and order a big block 450hp muscle car but with non servo drums all round, because it was cheaper. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Datsuncog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulplom Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 The wheeler dealers episode with the charger in it. Ed converted that from drums to disks. Mike commented how shite the originals were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Martin Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 The original Mustang was and still is a piece of shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilA Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Yup, '64 Fairlane I went look at was unassisted drums all around. My Chieftain is drums all round, and at 3300lbs (1.5 ton) the fronts fill up the 15" rims. Adjusted correctly they're pretty good. Not adjusted correctly they are terrifyingly bad- you get either brakes that you feel sticking your foot out the door would be more effective or brakes that snatch and lock the wheel solid at a rather arbitrary point in the pedal travel. At least discs just get worse when they aren't maintained well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidel_Kakao Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Is it true that drums aren't as effective in reverse but discs are the same in either direction? I guess it's not a huge issue as you generally don't go full pelt in reverse unless you are about to do a a Rockford turn in your yank tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FakeConcern Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Heidel_Kakao said: Is it true that drums aren't as effective in reverse but discs are the same in either direction? I guess it's not a huge issue as you generally don't go full pelt in reverse unless you are about to do a a Rockford turn in your yank tank. I believe it depends on the design, most (drums) are twin leading shoe and are worse in reverse and as you say discs the same in both directions (correct me if wrong!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Morose Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Heidel_Kakao said: Is it true that drums aren't as effective in reverse but discs are the same in either direction? I guess it's not a huge issue as you generally don't go full pelt in reverse unless you are about to do a a Rockford turn in your yank tank. ? chaseracer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FakeConcern Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Inspector Morose said: ? True, but it can take you by surprise if driving a drums all round Mini backwards... Ask me how I know haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Morose Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Drums all round on DAFs. I chickened out at 32mph on a private test track* late one night in my mates 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FakeConcern Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 23 hours ago, RoadworkUK said: The Mustang was a pretty crude device, just a Falcon under the surface. Having said that, I don't think there was a lot of Detroit iron with front discs until well into the 70s. Pretty sure most Chargers and Roadrunners ran drums all round. That is strange when the Cortina had discs 23 hours ago, sheffcortinacentre said: Yep most yank stuff came std with front drums until the early 70's As above. I know most Minis had drums until the 80s, but they weighed nothing so worked pretty well if adjusted correctly (I still have a mini brake adjusting spanner!) 23 hours ago, Asimo said: My L plates were up in 1974, and everything this learner drove had unservo'd drums all round. And they were up to the job, except for the Transit. That van took some stopping, even empty. Back then I was a rugby forward and a cyclist, ie I had some leg muscle, and I had to get both feet on that brake pedal and pull like fcuk against the steering wheel to stop that thing "quickly". Brakes were not a Ford thing back in the sixties. Maybe not on the van, but again as above the Cortina and what other Fords I don't know about had drums?Did the Corsair, Zodiac Zeph etc. Now I think about it did the Mk1 Escort? Pretty sure the Anglebox was drums all round. 21 hours ago, Datsuncog said: The Oldsmobile Toronado of 1966 boasted of its technological advancements such as front wheel drive and use of subframes, yet it still used nothing but drums all round too... Weighing in at over two tonnes, it was also badly prone to brake fade after prolonged use, leading some reviews to describe them as terrifyingly inadequate. For 1967, front discs became a cost option... and only became standard fitment on the Toronado for 1971. Seems that brakes weren't really a GM thing either. Blimey... What about British cars such as Hunter, Avenger, Victor etc in the 60s did they have discs? Also while I think of it plenty of cars (even quite flash ones) today have drums on the back, for example New Fiesta(even ST Line which looks sporty even if it isn't) and Renaults. I can't remember the last car I had with rear drums , XR3i? MG Metro? Either way years ago... 20 hours ago, overrun said: Haha I often watch V Tuned, too. Did you find him due to Samcrac? V Tuned is a funny one. He looks like a kid, surely can’t be older than mid twenties? but has like of this knowledge and his own business. Fair play! I think it was from Sancrac I first saw V Tuned. I saw a video where he compared four (I think) YewToobers fixing Hellcats and I had a watch of all of them, one was totally burned out and he may as well have bought a completely different car haha and one was V Tuned and I liked his style... I only saw Samcrac as he re built a Focus ST (or was it an RS?) I think he ended up taking that to V Tuned to fix... 15 hours ago, paulplom said: The wheeler dealers episode with the charger in it. Ed converted that from drums to disks. Mike commented how shite the originals were. I've never seen Wheeler Dealers, maybe I should put it on my list of things to watch? 8 hours ago, Aston Martin said: The original Mustang was and still is a piece of shite. That's as maybe, but it still looks great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimo Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, FakeConcern said: I believe it depends on the design, most (drums) are twin leading shoe and are worse in reverse and as you say discs the same in both directions (correct me if wrong!) This is true. And the leading shoe effect is very noticeable on some cars: much more effort needed to stop going backwards. Easy to catch yourself out with this if not expected. I remember using the handbrake to help stop in reverse, but I can't remember in what. VWs or BMC Farinas I expect. Leading shoe refers to the end of the shoe that moves when you press the pedal being the end that has the drum surface rotating toward it. (The other end is fixed / may have the adjuster) Friction force tries to jam the shoe against the drum, self-servo effect. As Phil says, this can make the brakes snatch horribly, if badly adjusted. Zephyr /Zodiac / Consul Mk4 had discs all around, which I think was a first for them. Not the cars best feature allegedly. Inside those tiny wheels! FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimo Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 what other Fords I don't know about had drums?Did the Corsair, Zodiac Zeph etc. Now I think about it did the Mk1 Escort? Pretty sure the Anglebox was drums all round. Check them out here. https://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/ford_gb/anglia_4gen_105e/anglia_4gen_saloon/1966.html FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 My V70 handbrake is still a bit weird even after a complete overhaul. It works well but if I put in on with the footbrake applied and then release the footbrake I need to add a couple of clicks. The rear discs, pads, shoes, adjusters and springs are all new. Bearings are fine. It’s no biggy but stuffed if I can explain why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FakeConcern Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tamworthbay said: My V70 handbrake is still a bit weird even after a complete overhaul. It works well but if I put in on with the footbrake applied and then release the footbrake I need to add a couple of clicks. The rear discs, pads, shoes, adjusters and springs are all new. Bearings are fine. It’s no biggy but stuffed if I can explain why. Doesn't the V70 have a setup with rear drum for the handbrake and a disc for footbrake? I remember the shoes getting stuck to the drum on mine soon after I bought it as it had been sitting in a dealer's yard for a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 43 minutes ago, Asimo said: what other Fords I don't know about had drums?Did the Corsair, Zodiac Zeph etc. Now I think about it did the Mk1 Escort? Pretty sure the Anglebox was drums all round. Check them out here. https://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/ford_gb/anglia_4gen_105e/anglia_4gen_saloon/1966.html Mk1 Escort 1100:s had drums on the front , I've swapped a few fronts struts with Capri ones just to get the discs when putting 2.0 Pintos in, in my misspent youth. Bolt straight on just end up with a bit too much negative camber. I once had a 105e Anglia that was worth more for its Classic Capri struts than as a complete entity. The Mk4 Zephyr and Zodiac had front AND rear discs, but as Ford didn't believe in brakes they reverted to rear drums for the Granada, discs didn't reappear again until the Scorpio shape in 1985. Not the only company guilty of this Rover did it when going from the P6 to the SD1 too. FakeConcern and garethj 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 9 hours ago, FakeConcern said: Doesn't the V70 have a setup with rear drum for the handbrake and a disc for footbrake? I remember the shoes getting stuck to the drum on mine soon after I bought it as it had been sitting in a dealer's yard for a while... Maybe later ones (not sure) but mine is a traditional drum in disc type with manual adjusters. Mine is a phase one so shares more with the 850 than later v70s. FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adw1977 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 18 hours ago, NorfolkNWeigh said: Mk1 Escort 1100:s had drums on the front Also Mk2 Escort 1100s, right up to the end of production in 1980. 1980 brochure link FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adw1977 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 About as far removed from a Yank tank as you can get, but the Mini didn't get front disc brakes until 1984. Jan 1984 brochure link FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inconsistant Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, adw1977 said: the Mini didn't get front disc brakes until 1984. My Mum's Mini was an A reg 1983 and one of the last with drums all round and 10" wheels like in the brochure. Discs came in with the 12" wheels I think? Was it the Mini 25 that started it? I've got a funny feeling they were the first Mini with 12 inchers. FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurious Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Noticing a bit of a trend of rear drums making a comeback. Besides the fact that I hate working on drum brakes, it's a bit of a step backwards I think? How well do modern traction control/ebd systems work on drum brakes? Noticing it now from Ford Focuses to various crew cabs. Even my dad's 1994 Defender 90 had rear discs, albeit solid ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FakeConcern Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, inconsistant said: My Mum's Mini was an A reg 1983 and one of the last with drums all round and 10" wheels like in the brochure. Discs came in with the 12" wheels I think? Was it the Mini 25 that started it? I've got a funny feeling they were the first Mini with 12 inchers. 1275gt mini had 12 inch wheels with discs from 1976 or 77 I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, FakeConcern said: 1275gt mini had 12 inch wheels with discs from 1976 or 77 I think I'm probably the least knowledgeable person on the planet when it comes to Minis, but I'm pretty sure all 1275GTs had front discs, carried over From the Cooper S. They probably got bigger with the 12" wheel change, ( amazing that I remember this from Goldings Mini book I got for my 15th birthday, but nothing from any school books) FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FakeConcern Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, NorfolkNWeigh said: I'm probably the least knowledgeable person on the planet when it comes to Minis, but I'm pretty sure all 1275GTs had front discs, carried over From the Cooper S. They probably got bigger with the 12" wheel change, ( amazing that I remember this from Goldings Mini book I got for my 15th birthday, but nothing from any school books) You are correct (and too modest!) and actually even the 997/998 Coopers from 1963? had tiny front discs inside their 10 inch rims. I don't think they were much cop and were hugely improved with the 1275 Cooper "S" still on ten inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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