Motown Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, rmt87 said: Inteirior is currently in the shed. Needs new sills a few patches on floors and probs needs a new fuel tank. Has been off the road 12 years or so. Keeping this one for the time being. No worries burt thank you anyway! Wish you all the best with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, 155V6 said: The Coupe looks nice,but I'd be looking for a manual one with a bigger engine.Or a Gold 25 GTi ? I can no longer drive manuals or i would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, PiperCub said: Always had a sneaking regard for the Tomcat, never common certainly round here. Used to love watching the race series they did for the 2.0l ones back in the 90's & 00's. The one in the pics looks nice but those wheels need to be binned ASAP, don't know what make they are (& don't care) but they look like some of that Rip(off)speed shit Halfrauds used to sell. Would question the 2K price too, that's pretty stiff for a not-particularly-popular car. (No offence but the R8 isn't really is it - I used to have a 214!). Indeed if i buy the car the wheels will go and be changed for something more in line with good taste haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, loserone said: I thought only the 220s were "tomcats". My brother was tasked with putting development miles on them (and 623s) on track during his gap year at university. TOMCAT refers to the car not the size of the engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty2006 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 grand? Thats the dealer saying it’s for sale, but you can’t buy it... theyre a cool car though. Good luck finding one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
155V6 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, Motown said: I can no longer drive manuals or i would Sorry,didn't realise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig the Princess Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Craig the Princess said: As the owner of a very sad Tomcat, they are really, really good. Mainly severe lacquer peel that scares children, horses and Mary Whitehouse. It's a 220 which is quick rather than fast, and reasonably tough, crank sensors aside. stonedagain, Motown, Vince70 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserone Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, Craig the Princess said: @Lacquer Peel scares children, horses and Mary Whitehouse. How rude Motown, LostnotFound, Craig the Princess and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesapandre Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 3 hours ago, cort1977 said: If it's not too rusty then well worth bargaining down the price to cover a set decent wheels and some mild de-barrying. Great 90s colour. These were at a point when Rover still had a chance of making it as manufacturer. I remember the fantastic good vibes about these coupes at the time. Rover went all snobby and I recall were very anti the cool Tomcat moniker. I mean why not keep to the BMC tradition of looking at success in the face and then walk away. I would say these are one of the most desirable Rovers of the era and is a well-worth buy and a great steer. Mechanically - sounds like it will need work - I would drive and then see what happens... Price - given the fault a little ritzy...why not try them with a ridiculous PX. If you don't have one perhaps someone on here has something worthless to induce them to buy. Or just put in a polite lowball offer after viewing and walk away - see what happens you never know the phone might ring. Opting out of any dealer 'warranty' and taking it on a 'spares' basis with no comeback might get some off - particularly in light of the smoke - one good blast down the M-way may lead to who knows what... Go take a look - I know how difficult it will be selling anything with that 'advisory' unless to someone like us lot. And is talked about a lot on this site - the market for 'old' cars seems to have vaporized in the face of finance on new stuff. Vince70, Braddon81, Motown and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remspoor Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 This channel is currently doing up a Rover 420 (but not a Tomcat) It may be of help. He is also undertaking work on a "bubble" 25 https://www.youtube.com/user/nitrosilvia/videos Motown and clayts450 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Dentressangle Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I had a 220 Tomcat ages ago - non-turbo. It was very nearly a fantastic car. The good: - quick enough for most things - that shape - quite well screwed together, with a decent cabin - decent FWD handling, with plenty of torque steer and understeer available on demand The bad: - stupid targa roof, which was a faff to take out and store in a special foam lined bag (yes, I even had that with the car) in the boot. At anything over 60, it generated lots of wind noise. The car must have been only 10 years old at the time, and the seals were in good nick, with all adjusted correctly. It was just all designed in the same way as a big Britax popout sunroof, and needed a bit of cash throwing at a properly engineered answer. That's a theme we'll develop... - low gearing. Even in 5th, 70 was pulling enough revs to be intrusively noisy. With a biq, torquey M series there was really no need for that. The car could have been a brilliant cruiser, but was probably less refined on the motorway than our '95 Metro 1.1. Did nobody from Longbridge try it on the M42 before they made it? Maybe they got stuck in traffic, or couldn't be bothered to go beyond the dual carriageway bit of the A38. - stupid boot hatch. Another casualty of designing a new model on the cheap, the hatch the Tomcat should have had never happened, so you're left trying to post your shopping through a letterbox type hatch at the back which feels smaller than a classic Mini's. To be fair, if the last two had been sorted I wouldn't have given a toss about the boot space - no-one buys a coupe for practicality. I think I had the Tomcat for about 6 months before I sold it. It felt like such a near-miss from being a really fantastic car, and made the typical BL 'oh, that'll do' design faults even more annoying. Definitely a future classic and decent investment, but I don't think I'd have another. lesapandre and Motown 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayts450 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 If you must go for the 2 litre it really needs to be the T-series. I agree with the above that the M-series, whilst a good old lump, just doesn't tick the same boxes as the T (when comparing an M 820 and a T 420). The T just pulls much much better and always seems to have more to give. lesapandre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Turquoise, Auto and only the 1.6 kettle - that scraped the last test? There’s is no market for it, even off a tidy private driveway Looking at the Arfur Daley housing Estate yard it’s sitting at, it will sit there for months at that money (even with its mind-trick Screen Price) and will just get thrown into the auctions once the tyres are down and it’s in the way If you really want it, rock up with 1200 notes as he likely only gave 600 for it to start with clayts450 and lesapandre 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 http://brochure.autoexposure.co.uk/flex/2019-12-26/pdf/62309467_rover-200.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Oh, ok then. 1500 notes https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/rover_216_coupe_auto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moog Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 If you must go for the 2 litre it really needs to be the T-series. I agree with the above that the M-series, whilst a good old lump, just doesn't tick the same boxes as the T (when comparing an M 820 and a T 420). The T just pulls much much better and always seems to have more to give.Plus getting bits for M Series is certainly challenging. Even Rimmer Bros didn't stock a lot of stuff. T series you can get what you want! clayts450 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveDorson Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I fancy one but given the price of them I'm not really willing to dip the toe. Same to be said of the 200 BRM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Tidybeard Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 the Bini wheels would look betterer with silver centres Motown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Looks like overpricing is the norm at Hesketh https://www.heskethcars.co.uk/used-car/rover/75/2-0-diesel-auto-from-2-695-retail-package/for-sale-in-near-blackpool-lancashire/aetv79712875/ Motown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayts450 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 And this - 1295 groats ? Do fuck off..... 600 quid at best https://www.heskethcars.co.uk/used-car/rover/25-streetwise/1-4-s-3-door-from-1-295-retail-package/for-sale-in-near-blackpool-lancashire/aetv11911289/ Agree - avoid. Special web price my arse. Motown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig the Princess Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 The value of Tomcats does seem to be getting stronger, but I suppose the Facebook group for owners is the only place I see them for sale and they never seem to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, flat4alfa said: Turquoise, Auto and only the 1.6 kettle - that scraped the last test? There’s is no market for it, even off a tidy private driveway Looking at the Arfur Daley housing Estate yard it’s sitting at, it will sit there for months at that money (even with its mind-trick Screen Price) and will just get thrown into the auctions once the tyres are down and it’s in the way If you really want it, rock up with 1200 notes as he likely only gave 600 for it to start with Precisely i feel i like i should buy it just in order to save it..... Its unlikely the cars life will end well sat on an overpriced dealership in Blackpool ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, flat4alfa said: Oh, ok then. 1500 notes https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/rover_216_coupe_auto There has always been so question as to whether this website is accurate or not but i didnt realise they were that rare ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garythesnail Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, flat4alfa said: Turquoise, Auto and only the 1.6 kettle - That'll be the reliable* Honda engine in a 1600 automatic. Daughter had one for a couple of years (1800 VVC in green with ash interior and leather with the facelift dash something like R86 OPR . . . or not) and was a good car. She sold it at the bottom of the price curve? for a much more* practical Mitsubishi FTO. Arches and sills and no more than the usual stuff o cars this age. Not worth my 2 grand. flat4alfa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, Garythesnail said: That'll be the reliable* Honda engine in a 1600 automatic. Good point, well corrected. Good old D-series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Motown said: There has always been so question as to whether this website is accurate or not Calculated straight from the quarterly DVLA figures I was surprised that were that many! So with my ‘crikey it must be a classic soon then’ hat on, perhaps you could go and see it, but one late afternoon. 1) kick its tyres, 2) rev its valve stems off, 3) check it shifts properly, 4) come to a decision with cash, 5) see Blackpool at night afterwards, looking through the T-roof glass at the pretty lights, 6) boil over just outside Preston, while still smiling ? The Moog, Craig the Princess and Motown 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 49 minutes ago, flat4alfa said: Calculated straight from the quarterly DVLA figures I was surprised that were that many! So with my ‘crikey it must be a classic soon then’ hat on, perhaps you could go and see it, but one late afternoon. 1) kick its tyres, 2) rev its valve stems off, 3) check it shifts properly, 4) come to a decision with cash, 5) see Blackpool at night afterwards, looking through the T-roof glass at the pretty lights, 6) boil over just outside Preston, while still smiling ? I will most likely take the trip to Blackpool in January if the car is still available haggle with salesman and throw some cash at him in order to save the car. I wont be hanging around Blackpool for very long though. My last trip ended with a stroll on the beach and trying to dispatch a used condom which had stuck itself to the bottom of my shoe... That doesn't happen in Whitby or Fuerteventura Craig the Princess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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