Kiltox Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Heidel_Kakao said: Is there any reason that wouldn't pass an MOT if you used it for the majority of an exhaust system? Seems a quick and lazy way to make an exhaust. In the case of this ML, it’d fail because the cat has been removed, but I’m not sure about in general! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Is this any use? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fit-with-MERCEDES-ML270-W163-Catalytic-Converter-Exhaust-80120-2-7-Fitting-Kit/323345843341?fits=Car+Make%3AMercedes-Benz|Cars+Type%3AML+270+CDi&epid=1545110631&hash=item4b48ea048d:g:KUYAAOSwNLJbR2dJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, cort16 said: Is this any use? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fit-with-MERCEDES-ML270-W163-Catalytic-Converter-Exhaust-80120-2-7-Fitting-Kit/323345843341?fits=Car+Make%3AMercedes-Benz|Cars+Type%3AML+270+CDi&epid=1545110631&hash=item4b48ea048d:g:KUYAAOSwNLJbR2dJ Likely would be but I don't really want to have to pull the downpipe off if. Can avoid it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just wondering if you could cut n shut it to fill the missing bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, cort16 said: Just wondering if you could cut n shut it to fill the missing bit. Possibly, but one wrong cut = nae use. Scary times, having spent 1/4 the cost of the car.. Plus if I put a cat back in, it's another opportunity for them to steal it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkyarddog Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Would it be possible to bolt a sheet of steel to the underneath of the vehicle to stop it being pilfered again? Also if you replace it with a non original cat it more than likely won't be taken,as they have very little value as scrap,worthless in fact. Genuine Merc ones are quite lucrative in the cats for cash business. Cavcraft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 Think I am going to go down the flex piping route.. will get some stuff ordered up. Today I thought I best get some idea of the oil and fuel filter types so I can get stuff ordered up to do a service. First up, mild confusion at a vehicle having the original engine covers in place! Once removed, the oil filter was easy to find, sitting at the front top of the engine. The fuel filter is behind it a wee bit, on the same side and easily accessible. Whilst not quite robust as the "bolt through" truck spec filter found on the 300D, this filter looks a decent bet for the 70/30 veg mix that this engine can handle. Speaking of the OM612 - it has a reputation for the "black death" where injector seals fail and you get carbon and diesel build up under the rocker cover *EXAMPLE PIC* So you can imagine my trepidation when I removed the main cover.. Absolutely immaculate think it stays on fleet for a while.. Fumbler, davehedgehog31, Skizzer and 14 others 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy18s Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Any issues with starting? The clips have broken on my 270cdi the same as in the pic,allowing air in and so the diesel runs back to the tank overnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 minute ago, andy18s said: Any issues with starting? The clips have broken on my 270cdi the same as in the pic,allowing air in and so the diesel runs back to the tank overnight Absolutely none - fires right up, first hit andy18s and Jim Bell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy18s Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 That zip tie is working well then! 320touring and stonedagain 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 I am assuming it's this type of filter I need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skattrd Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I had leaky injectors on my last 2 cdi Mercs. Its an easy job if caught early and the copper seals are pennies from Mercedes. Always check under engine cover on these era of Mercs. I think it's probably worth getting a new section of pipe from the fuel filter. I've been told prices have risen since I last bought Merc fuel hoses, but they were under £10 a section from Mercedes when I got them. Jim Bell and 320touring 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 As alluded to in the last update - after some investigation this seems a thoroughly reasonable tub, so I have resolved to show it some attention. First up, oil change time. The om612 2.7 5cyl lump in this takes 8L for a full change including filter. So it was a mid sook stop required to empty the Pela, before drawing out the last couple of litres. As you can see, the oil filter was about due a change. Doing things properly (after all, this is a posh car with its engine covers still in place), I replaced the 3 seals on the filter mounting. A most unusual experience! The air filter was next - significantly easier to access Than the equivalent m57 in the BMWs of the time. 3 bolts and 3 clips made for fast replacement. With that done, I turned my attention to more practical matters. As soon as my brother confirmed he has collected the fuel filters it was game on The om612 will apparently take up to 70% Veg and run happily on it. This car never having been run on it before, I decided to take it gently at first - adding 10L to the 3/4 tank in the car. This is probably about a 25% mix. Om nom nom. When starting a vehicle off on a vegetarian diet, there are two key things to do: 1. Ensure the filter is accessible, and any clips have been loosened to check they work 2. Put a spare fuel filter in the glovebox box The veg will pull guff out the fuel lines for a while, so having the spare filer allows you to swap it out if you notice the "surging" you can experience when a fuel filter is blocked. Lastly, a new 16" wiper was added to the rear. Total cost for the service (fuel filter not changed so not counted) was £41.95, including 10L of 5w40 fully synth. It drove lovely on the way home, but gave me an "Oil high" warning. A quick 11pm Pela run seemed to resolve the issue. I think it was slightly overfilled due to sitting on a slope when the oil was added. The big check will be if it starts happy tomorrow morning when cold:) jumpingjehovahs, Split_Pin, andy18s and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Nice one, had no idea these were veg friendly. That service was cheap too, especially including the oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 These must be one of the few common rail engines that will cope with veg? Cavcraft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Cavcraft said: Nice one, had no idea these were veg friendly. That service was cheap too, especially including the oil. Link for the oil is here: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F303141872276 25 minutes ago, wuvvum said: These must be one of the few common rail engines that will cope with veg? About a year ago I did some research into vw PD engines, and there were a fair few folk running high veg content in them. Interested, I did some reading re other CR engines, and the OM611/2/3 came up. Essentially, any early 2000s Merc Diesel Om611 (4cyl 2.2 litre straight 4cyl) e.g. c220cdi/ e220cdi up to 2011 ? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM611_engine Om612 (5cyl 2.7 litre straight 5cyl) e.g. c270cdi /e270cdi up to 2006 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM612_engine Om613 (6cyl 3.2 litre straight 6) e.g. e320cdi/ s320cdi up to 2003 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM613_engine Will apparently take high concentration VEG. ***DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT -CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF - I ACCEPT NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS SHOULD YOU TRY USING VEG IN THESE ENGINES*** I checked online And given I had a cheap testbed, I thought I would give it a shot.. I'll keep the thread updated as I increase veg content:) In other news, the drive to work was fine. Cold start on veg was grand, and no "oil high" message:) Skizzer, LightBulbFun, Cavcraft and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbaldy Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 That Wojtek Kuffuffle guy replies to all requests with the same reply no matter what the vehicle people ask about, a friend with an 2005 270cdi Merc same engine that has ran nearly 90% with a bit of petrol mixed in but drops it down to 20% at this time of the year due to starting issues, he will only use used oil as it's not ethically right to use new oil destined for food and has two of my old 1000L IBCs full to the brim as he's struggling to use it quick enough, he recons pubs burger vans and restraunts can't get rid of it quick enough and the reason is people just can't be bothered to collect it. 320touring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 Lol, that chap does seem a prolific poster:) Re your mate's experience - positive to hear some info re someone using Veg ok in the same engine. Ordinarily I would use WVO, but didn't have any in stock (as didn't have a diesel on fleet). If it works out, I'll see about getting re -set up for filtering. The dream is a scabby s320cdi on veg:) skattrd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 Well, here we have the "Exhaust in a box" kit. The ML system is 76mm diameter (old school 3" pipe:)) I bought 1m of 80mm diameter flue liner for wood burners - stainless steel and £15.99 delivered This is rigid enough to stay in shape but flexible enough to bend past the chassis rail that would make piping it with solid pipe difficult. To attach it, there are two options: 1. Slip the pipe over and jubilee clips it in place. 2. As above, but slit the ends to let the clips crush the tube easier. These Jubilee clips were £2.75 for 2, and are lovely - nice action, mechanism looks decent too. I may update this on Sunday evening to advise if it works:) Heidel_Kakao, Skizzer, sutty2006 and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 That is a nice round jubilee clip, I'll give you that. Spurious, RoadworkUK and 320touring 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty2006 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 And that gold radiator looks positively festive, even after Christmas! Love to see this fitted. Ohdearme and 320touring 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 7 hours ago, sutty2006 said: And that gold radiator looks positively festive, even after Christmas! Love to see this fitted. It's a bastard to dust, but! sutty2006 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 Totally didn't fit this into he cold and dark tonight.. Factory M9! It's quieter, and I am getting gasses at the BACKBOX exit. Will see how it lasts:) sutty2006, Split_Pin, Craig the Princess and 10 others 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserone Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 When's it for sale? ? @Split_Pin ya bugger, poor @320touring thinks I'm after his orrible Merc now ? 320touring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Why have I added this to 320Ts thread!? Deleting in 3 2 1..... Good work on the exhaust though! loserone and 320touring 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 Work achieved. Exhaust masterpiece still intact after 35mins/22 miles. Get a buzz at 900rpm off the heat shield at the front. Silent everywhere else. May adjust teh front slightly to stop the buzz, otherwise it appears to be transporting exhaust gasses to the rear silencer fine, and is much quieter when driving. Jim Bell, skattrd, RobT and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 11 hours ago, loserone said: When's it for sale? ? @Split_Pin ya bugger, poor @320touring thinks I'm after his orrible Merc now ? You can have a shot when up next week - first to try will buy stonedagain, Kiltox and loserone 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 We now have 20L of finest veg in the tank, so running at about 30% veg. First cold start tomorrow should tell me whether this is ok or not. On the current tank, I saved £7.54 (assuming it doesn't break!) Allowing for that, that enough saved every 6 tanks to cover servicing costs - so I could afford to service it every 2200 miles and still break even. Exhaust is still holding, But I reckon I will try to sort the rattle tomorrow. All in all, so far so good this week! RobT, Tickman, Split_Pin and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bell Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Veg in, just in time for the looming Snowmaggedon. Sure it'll laugh in the very face of white snowy shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jim Bell said: Veg in, just in time for the looming Snowmaggedon. Sure it'll laugh in the very face of white snowy shite. Lol wish I had put in Soya now for the real "is it sized"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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