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6 minutes ago, stilo_active said:

I like most stuff to be fair, but Volkswanker Twatsporters of all ages and variants can get in the sea, as can Kia Rios, Golfs, MGBs, Escort Mk5/6, All Fiestas from Mk3 onwards, Ka, Itchypussy Evos, Imprezas - though I'd rock a bog standard one. 

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There are lots of cars that hold no appeal for me and usually when you start listing them then people get upset because you've been rude about Peugeot 305s or Nissan Bluebirds. Someone (mainly me) might dislike Land Rovers because they are slow, crude devices built on the cheap and have long since ceased to serve any useful purpose but that can be applied to virtually any vehicle that is out of warranty. That a Manta is or isn't better than a Capri doesn't really matter any more. I suppose I can smile that Dolomite Sprints languish in the forgotten pile while RS2000s are making air cooled 911s look reasonably priced but they are both very crap cars. I don't get restoring stationary engines then sitting in a field on a deck chair scowling at people who pause and wonder why it is making that horrible noise but I do understand while people do it.

Before I go on to the point I am making will you allow me a musical interlude? It is a song from the anti-folk singer/song writer Jeffrey Lewis who wrote this rather splendid song (along with many others - I really do recommend him) which sums up very neatly why I do the sort of shit that I do.

It's about learning stuff along the way that floats my boat about anything I do. You start crap and in your own crap way get a bit better and learn a bit more. So now we get to the bit I don't get. I don't get having old shit and having to pay for stuff to be done on it by others. Maybe I'm more motivated by doing than owning and once something no longer needs any doing then I'm not that bothered about owning.

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I like most things, but not the overly ostentatious monster top marque SUVs. I fucking hate those chintzy Range Rovers for example. Oh and Evoques, for which my Golf seems to be a magnet for them trying to race me.

As for MGBs, I have always liked them. Mate of mine back in the very early 90s ran a pristine 1980 black one as a daily. Absolutely no expense spared and he drove everywhere in it. It had a stage 2 engine conversion. He let me have a little go one day and it was great fun.

I think cars like the MGB and VW Campers sometimes get a bad reputation because of the demographic of people who generally drive them (fussy old people and foody-type hipstercunts). But I like both vehicles.

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Volkswagens.

Sorry, but with the exception of.....erm.....nah sorry I can't really warm to any of them.

They just leave me disappointed, perhaps if there wasn't so much hype associated with them they wouldn't feel like such an anti climax.

I'd take any mid 90s vauxhall or Ford over the equivalent veedub in a heartbeat

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I'm sorry to say it, I have to say fords because of the scene tax, I love an old Ford as much as the next man I still have 2 sierras and my mk3 capri but theres no way they equate to their values, I know a car is only worth as much as someone will pay for it and they are selling, it's just crazy though I would not buy them at today's prices

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18 hours ago, They_all_do_that_sir said:

Volkswagens.

Sorry, but with the exception of.....erm.....nah sorry I can't really warm to any of them.

They just leave me disappointed, perhaps if there wasn't so much hype associated with them they wouldn't feel like such an anti climax.

I'd take any mid 90s vauxhall or Ford over the equivalent veedub in a heartbeat

 

 

Each to their own, but I'd rather own a MK3 Golf than a MK5 Escort. They're both the worst examples of both model, the Astra's marginally better than the Escort, which is the only car that I enjoy taking to the weighbridge. I've taken 4 or 5 so far and made the world a better place. 

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I actually find myself disliking various cars of all ages - so called shite and moderns because of the people that drive them.  The arrogance that comes with new Aldi drivers, the chavvy BMW 1 series or birds driving about whilst texting in a fiat 500 all piss me off.   Obviously Brexit Party voting 75 driving grumpy sods aint' to everyones taste either.  But there some cars I wouldn't buy purely because of fellow drivers of that model.    I used to drive a MK1 Golf GTi Cabriolet many years ago but never bought into the scene bolox or once waved back at other so called dubbers driving past and giving that silly VW style hand signal either, not once.  To me it was just 'a car' that was in fact an utter bargain and very reliable.

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I like all cars prior to 1980ish few after that watershed. As for people that's a different matter entirely. I'm rather fond for instance of VWs, especially the T4, early Beetles, Mk1 Polos and Mk1 Passats. 

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Never diss it till you’ve tried it, I say, although the cost aspect vs what you get for your money clouds  the appeal  of some cars- eg a 10 year old self in 1990 used to adore mk2 escorts - often seen as poor teenagers first wheels at the time. Now I don’t see the appeal as they are expensive and a theft risk.

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I don’t think there’s a classic car that I wouldn’t at least want to have a drive in, but here are some of my general beliefs:

  • 1970s Fords are overpriced
  • Japanese cars should be left as they rolled out the showroom
  • Volkswagens covered in fake rust don’t look good in any way
  • Stancing your car ruins it’s looks and possibly it’s ride too
  • The MX5 is a laid back car for hairdressers, not a track-day god

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I felt even more confused about the appeal of an MGB when I sat in one. It was like one of those rides kids sit in at the seaside. 

For me, a field of Ferrari’s bores me to death, I’d no sooner look at a field full of washing machines. Show me a dilapidated council lock up with a Renault 9 in though on the other hand. I’ve a fascination for the crap stuff, the orphans like the Rover 800, Renault Fuego and the Citroen GSA. On a daily basis I run ‘banger’ Fords, I like them, simple, easy to mend. Familiar. They hit the spot in the way a Chicken Kebabwill sort you out after 8 pints. Probably not what you’d have for a last meal but they do the job. Frequently I’ve thought about buying something a bit special but then I’ve sat down thought about it and sadly for me on a daily basis a clapped out Focus does pretty much everything I need. If I had more time though I’d seek out something utterly fucked and impossible to find spares for. 

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I agree SM, I don't bother with 'classic' car shows now and roughly 80% is just rows of 'classics' all very nice and shiny.  I am mostly interested in the stuff I grew up with like saggy arse Granada's, raspy sounding XR3i's, rusty SD1's and so on.  Getting a peek of a Mini Metro or Talbot Horizon through a giffers half open garage door is more my thing and more exciting that rows of shiny stuff, as lovely as it is.

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A few years ago at a local gala they had a classic car area, all the usual drivel like over restored MGBs or the cursory Spitfire. Amongst all of them I was fascinated by C reg Toyota Camry, it was relevant to me and most importantly it was a rarely seen sight. It wasn’t immaculate but it was used which to my mind is what it’s all about. A car is no good sat in a garage. 

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Concours cars. Could be a talbot alpine minx or a drogo bodied Ferrari 250GTO. I’d have a mental breakdown. Couldn’t cope with the stress of ownership. 

For me thats when a vehicle becomes an object. Give me something Sheddy but mechanically good anyday; I want to use it and not cry if it gets scratched.

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I am EXTREMELY picky about the cars I actually like. Volvos mostly. Probably because my dad had 3 when I was growing up and a good whack of the buses I used to drive were Volvo but I digress.
I don't get most stuff but I can understand why some people would like them. For example, I don't get British Leyland cars but I can understand why some folk would find them appealing. I don't get motorbicycling either but, again, I can see the appeal.

What I don't get is the "Newerer is betterer" mantra.

I have had new cars. The youngest car I ever bought was my previous Golf which was 3 years old when I bought it and I kept it for 7 years. That car was bought for 50/50 necessity/want - it was a car I liked and it needed to do a job of covering miles cheaply.
My most recent purchase, the T6 V70, is 9 years old and I don't expect to get rid of it any time soon.

What bothers me is that I know there will be someone out there who will make the comment that the £6750 I spent on the V70 "Could have bought you a brand new Dacia Sandero. Why didn't you do that?". A 9 year old, actual luxury, high performance estate vs a brand new, old platform Clio with a small engine and no radio. Umm.... let me have a think about it.

Recently my little cousin had a Focus of some description. It was going to cost £500 for the MoT work so she went and got a £2250, slightly newer Civic. In fairness, I think it was bought for her but when I questioned this the response I got was "Oh she needed a car that wouldn't let her down because of the child" and my reply to that was "When was the last time any member of our family actually had a car properly let them down?"... "Oh but but <excuses and reasons>".

Now if you're so vain that you want a new car every x number of years then just admit THAT but don't try and make my choices seem stupid because they are older.

Don't get me started on the "I NEED a big 4x4 car for the safety of my child". I had long discussions with one of my train driving instructors about why his apparent "Need" for something like a Mitsi L200 or a Land Rover for the safety of the child was stupid which all culminated on him witnessing a Bini completely wipe out a Land Rover of some description on a back road and coming out in better shape.

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the above reminds me recently over hearing a conversation at a BBQ.  A couple there and she is preg, they own a 2007 Honda Civic, the bubble space ship looking ones from about 10 years ago. He pipes up 'Yes we need a bigger car now like a Kia Sportage'

No you don't.

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I'm strangely drawn to the space ship Civics, Honda used to be a sister dealership when I was at VW and I was very impressed with the styling, full width lights (or the appearance of) front and rear and the hidden rear door handles on the 5 door. You could also fit a mountain bike in sideways through the back doors as the opened 90 degrees. 

So there you go, a modern that I do like - an exception to the rule.

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2 hours ago, Amishtat said:

Nobody needs a Kia

Who are you to speak for me?

My Ceed SW Auto was great.  I needed it to carry my wife's wheelchair, it did it superbly. 

Suspension tuned by Lotus don't you know.

 

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6 hours ago, EssDeeWon said:

the above reminds me recently over hearing a conversation at a BBQ.  A couple there and she is preg, they own a 2007 Honda Civic, the bubble space ship looking ones from about 10 years ago. He pipes up 'Yes we need a bigger car now like a Kia Sportage'

No you don't.

I knew a guy once that as soon as they had a kid, only the one mind, went out and bought a doom blue Zafira. Needed it. The other 4 seats were unoccupied but it was the done thing. Faced with that decision I think I’d take an axe to my cock. I often think of him when I see emancipated men looking angry driving round in a Zafira looking bitter and resentful on a 5 year finance at 34.9%. 

Before anyone says ‘I’ve had a Zafira it was a damned fine car’ it’s an awful car, in fact one of the worst cars I’ve ever driven. My old man had one, not sure why as I refused to travel in it so he travelled in it alone mostly leaving the other 6 seats vacant. Everything about that car pissed me off. It was horrid to drive, slow, not very economical and the interior was like a dole office. You didn’t so much as sit in the seats moreover you sat on them like chairs. It’s making me irritable talking about it so I’ll stop going on.

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I can see why having kids makes you want something secure around them.

Moving the child seats from the 305 into the 405 I felt I could relax a little more, and again with the 306 with its heavy doors and airbags to protect the adults.  It feels more substantial, not least because it is 

It's still a 17 year old £500 "banger", and it's safety wise not much different from the legacy or the LEAF, so I could see why someone might consider ESC or emergency brake assist as being beneficial.  

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