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S type 2.7D, do I go for it?


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I think I'll leave it as it shouldn't be terminal if it does let go. I'll see what it's like but I have a feeling it's a good one.  If so I'll service it and then do what's needed to keep it running well without spending on unnecessary things. However, I am prepared to spend a few hundred here and there. It's when it needs a new turbo or gearbox that I'm likely to chuck the towel in. That could be a while yet though, fingers crossed...

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I don't think that Jags commonly got the stronger oil pump, it seems to be a Landrover thing. 

I did it to mine and was a lot of work but I suspect it's most mechanics either over tightening the bolt or putting the wrong bolt back so it bottoms out and busts off the mounting boss. 

It's very telling that most of the failures were after a belt change. 

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and here are some photos showing the boss on the oil pump that the timing belt tensioner bolts to

https://www.jaguarforum.com/showthread.php?t=108948&p=1111415&viewfull=1#post1111415

I fitted the later, stronger oil pump to mine when I did the belt but it wasn't easy.

On an XJ you have to drop the sump and that means lifting the engine a bit.

Also it involves inserting a crank locking pin and that means getting the starter motor out of the way, and that means dropping the steering rack.

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10 hours ago, sutty2006 said:

On a discovery, not really. It’s a body off job if the person doing it isn’t good working blind or with hands like a child. The main ones done which isn’t a hard job. People usually leave the rear one as it’s a pain in the anus to do. Not sure how bad it is to do on a jaaaaagggggg

You can get to the fuel pump belt through the glove box apparently. 

 

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I picked this up today. Wow, what an experience. I drove the chap I bought it off to a jaguar specialist as he'd bought a 2007 XJ. It has the same engine and gearbox and is a similar weight and it looks similar in design, at least inside, and I'm not sure I would change. Perhaps the XJ feels different, more special? I am still trying to understand Jaguars as they have not been on my radar before. There were lists of other Jags there, mainly XK's. These look good but we're all north of £15k and would be no good for my kids as there was about an inch of legroom in the back in when the front seats are in the right position.

I drove down in my 'new' car. It's hard to describe without using all the usual phrases but it felt smooth, quiet and solid feeling on the motorway. I wouldn't say it feels fast. It's quite heavy and the autobox smoothes things out a lot. Sport mode doesn't seem to do a great deal. I was only driving gently as it seems to encourage me to adopt a laid back driving style. I love the interior though, and the outside for that matter. When the s type came out I wasn't a great fan but this seems just like a jaguar should do to me. I think time has helped as it's difficult to pinpoint what age it is.

It's parked on the drive tonight but my wife will reclaim this spot soon and I will have to park on the street. That's a shame as it's almost pristine. A couple of very minor scratches but you only see them if you're looking. The wheels have been refurbished and sprayed grey, the interior leather is immaculate and everything works, including the aircon! I have that new car feeling and it feels good.

I love the way the steering wheel and seat move when you get in. The say nav is very slow and a bit out of date. Nice to have though. It has four new no make tyres but they seem ok. If I can sort out how to fit everything in it it will be a keeper! Maybe I need a trailer...

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I think it must be a good time to buy s types. They seem like a good car for the money. They also seem to have caring owners. I haven't had any bills or costs yet apart from a bit extra for the insurance and tax,  although I don't think service parts are too bad and they seem ok to work on. I even got 44mpg on the way home, at least on the trip computer. It has dropped quickly though since I've been driving locally. I think it's meant for long runs.

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The XJ has more room in the back for my three teenager/adult kids and the styling is different. Apart from that I don't think that there's a huge different. 

The XJ is a pain to park because it's absolutely massive. 

On problem with the X350 is that there isn't enough room under the front seats for rear passengers to slide their feet under them. My 607 had more room in the back. 

The X358 fixed that by rearranging the seat motors and so I fitted front X358 seats in mine which makes it a lot better in the back for long journeys. It wasn't easy though because I had to fit the looms and ECUs from my X350 seats into the X358 seat frames to get them to integrate with the rest of the car. 

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1 hour ago, stripped fred said:

I was only driving gently as it seems to encourage me to adopt a laid back driving style.

They do that.  I found the same thing when I had the 3.0 petrol that Boggymires now owns - that thing will actually GLF when you need it to, but 95% of the time I was quite happy just wafting around like a giffer.

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8 hours ago, dieselnutjob said:

The XJ has more room in the back for my three teenager/adult kids and the styling is different. Apart from that I don't think that there's a huge different. 

The XJ is a pain to park because it's absolutely massive. 

On problem with the X350 is that there isn't enough room under the front seats for rear passengers to slide their feet under them. My 607 had more room in the back. 

The X358 fixed that by rearranging the seat motors and so I fitted front X358 seats in mine which makes it a lot better in the back for long journeys. It wasn't easy though because I had to fit the looms and ECUs from my X350 seats into the X358 seat frames to get them to integrate with the rest of the car. 

Don't they come in long and very long versions too? Being used to more mundane modern boxes the jags do seem to take up a lot of road for the space they offer inside!

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8 hours ago, wuvvum said:

They do that.  I found the same thing when I had the 3.0 petrol that Boggymires now owns - that thing will actually GLF when you need it to, but 95% of the time I was quite happy just wafting around like a giffer.

Definately! I also wonder what other road users think of me now I'm driving a Jag. Although this was not that expensive I think people believe you are a well off person. I wonder if I will be let out of junctions?

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There’s a lot of major design differences between the S type and the X350, but since they were both set up for luxury the result has ended up that they feel quite similar. 

The basic platform for the S type - despite all the ‘its a American Ford underneath’ bollox - must have been pretty decent as it was reused for the XF, which all the magazines raved about. 

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Right, time for an overdue update. It's a lovely car. Sailed through the MOT last week. There was a nail in one of the rear tyres so that was fixed with a puncture repair. I also got the garage to service it. Not cheap but I don't have time myself and it is in really good condition so I want to try and keep it that way. I had the front brake pads changed although they weren't too bad at 4mm.

The garage said that there was a slight lumpiness to the idle and he suspected an injector. I have noticed it but it's not too bad and it pulls well and doesn't seem unduly affected. The engine light came on the other day, and then went off again. There is an independent Jag specialist near me so I will take it there at some point. Be said more likely to be a slight leak from somewhere.

I bought some secondhand jaguar mats for it for £20. I orefer originals rather than aftermarket ones which never seem to be as good.

It's lovely on long journeys, very quiet and smooth. If doesn't feel 'fast' but it can move if you want it too. Sport mode helps and seems to give it some urgency although I think it just changes the gearbox change points. You can feel the weight of the thing in the corners. It handles ok but doesn't like quick changes of direction.

The auto door mirrors are a bit sluggish, the boot CD changer doesn't work but other than those things it all works fine. There's single cd in the dash anyway so bought some pound shop cd's the other day. Nice cold aircon and I am getting to like cruise control for the first time. Nice extras such as the electric heated memory seats, headlights staying on and puddle lights are all still novelties to me.

I've boughs a type of cover, like a hammock, for the back seats so the dogs don't scratch them, especially when they see another dog! I'm not bothered about keeping it perfect but it's in such good condition that I want to try my best.

One job will be to try and remove the build up of crud in the rear wheel arches as there is some corrosion there but early stages at the moment so hopefully a clean out and a coat of something will delay the inevitable.

Fuel economy is between mid 20's, short stop start journeys, and 40+ on a long run if sport mode not engaged. I'm averaging about 33 but I can live with that.

I've fitted a cheap dashcam and I have a handsfree kit to go in and then I'm sorted .

My only problem is how to take all the rubbish to the tip. I think I'm going to insure my old cmax too. It obviously works out more expensive with another car on the road, insurance will be about £250, but I'm happy to do it as I can also carry bikes in the cmax and is good to have a spare car as you just never know...

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I loved my old S-Type, glad you're enjoying yours. Mine was an early one but I'm sure the CDs went in the autochanger upside down, did you check yours are in the right way up?

The back seats should fold in the Jag to get rubbish and bikes in. I can understand if you didn't want to do that though!

 

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I loved my old S-Type, glad you're enjoying yours. Mine was an early one but I'm sure the CDs went in the autochanger upside down, did you check yours are in the right way up?
The back seats should fold in the Jag to get rubbish and bikes in. I can understand if you didn't want to do that though!
 
Thanks, I'll try putting them in upside down. It makes a noise so there is hope!

I found how to lower the back seats. Still tight though as I have a mountain of rubbish, cardboard, garden rubbish etc and it would take probably 20 trips to the tip. Bikes just won't fit, especially three of them! I'm happy to get my cmax back in the road. It just gives me more options, and a back up car!

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Just a quick bit about the S-Type design. It's the work of Geoff Lawson who joined Jaguar in 1984 and did all their cars right up to the X-type including the XK8 etc.  He joined Jaguar pre-Ford and it must have been a tough call with management in Detroit to keep on designing for them. But he did and all his cars are really excellent given the platform constraints.  He died unfortunately in 1999 aged 54. Its one of those things to think where Jaguar would have gone if he had continued designing for them.

The XK8 is a beautiful Jaguar - bit of a masterpiece  - a very clever bit of design. I remember him being interviewed and explaining how he had accommodated bumper legislation whilst keeping the silhouette of the car so slender etc.

The S has aged nicely - very good looking when seen in proximity to some modern cars IMHO. Kinda retro but not in a goony sort of way - a difficult balancing act Geoff pulled it off perfectly. Bravo Geoff!

I attended a few 60's motor shows and the Jaguar stand was always the most beautiful. The S-type recaptured that glamour.

 

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12 hours ago, lesapandre said:

Just a quick bit about the S-Type design. It's the work of Geoff Lawson who joined Jaguar in 1984 and did all their cars right up to the X-type including the XK8 etc.  He joined Jaguar pre-Ford and it must have been a tough call with management in Detroit to keep on designing for them. But he did and all his cars are really excellent given the platform constraints.  He died unfortunately in 1999 aged 54. Its one of those things to think where Jaguar would have gone if he had continued designing for them.

The XK8 is a beautiful Jaguar - bit of a masterpiece  - a very clever bit of design. I remember him being interviewed and explaining how he had accommodated bumper legislation whilst keeping the silhouette of the car so slender etc.

The S has aged nicely - very good looking when seen in proximity to some modern cars IMHO. Kinda retro but not in a goony sort of way - a difficult balancing act Geoff pulled it off perfectly. Bravo Geoff!

I attended a few 60's motor shows and the Jaguar stand was always the most beautiful. The S-type recaptured that glamour.

 

Thanks for sharing. I wasn't a big fan of the S type when it came out. I was obviously a bit younger and I suppose that type of car didn't appeal at the time. I remember thinking it looked like they were trying too hard a it seemed dated,which I suppose was the point.I think it has aged well though. Most people probably can't place it and don't remember the other cars around at the time. I really like it now. A big surprise for me is just how well made it feels. A proper clunk from the weighty doors and lovely leather. I would never have guessed I would be driving a Jaguar,  or a saloon car for that matter, but I'm very much enjoying the experience. It feels special.

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