Neil clark Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Need a cheapish half decent diesel for a few months so looking at these, 56-57 plate. What's the difference between 2.0 and 2.2? Which is the one to have that's not going to go bang? Is it a cambelt or chain? Any advice? Cheers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantingYoof Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I'm quite sure they're both from Ford, so they'd be chain driven. I think, regrettably, they both suffer from the same sorts of issues that plagued the Mk3 Mondeo, particularly if you go for a lower milage example. The good news is, by 56-57, Jaguar had fixed the problem that caused the X-Type to rust from the inside out. At any rate, any car you go to look at should be inspected behind the sill covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveDorson Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I've got a 2.2 in my Mondeo, and I love it. They suffer from Clutch and flywheel issues, injector issues, valve stem oil seal issues, pump issues, and the turbo's go if they're not properly serviced. rantingYoof 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveDorson Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Oh and I'd just buy the Mondeo with that engine in, they'd break for more after than the Jags do if you have to break it because no one will buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil clark Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 The one I've seen is 57 plate, 95k with history and a new clutch. 2.0 diesel. £1000....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 A grand? Worth a punt if it has had a clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil clark Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bren said: A grand? Worth a punt if it has had a clutch. I thought so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpjitservices Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Watch for rot, they rot under the sill covers like the S Types do. The 2.0 (TDCI) is an OK engine, though Injectors are an arse on them! the 2.2 is the better engine with more power and around the same economy as the 2.0. On the 2.0, look out for split hoses around the intercooler - it causes the engine to be down on power and is A common issue. Youd be better off with the 2.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveDorson Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Friend of mine with a 2.0 in a Mondeo was convinced his was faster. It really wasn't. We both get about the same fuel economy, which isn't brilliant, VW diesels are far more frugal. I'm a VW guy and I'd still have the Mondeo over the same age Passat though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chompy_snake Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 As others have said watch for rot! They can look pristine on the top, but, a bit of a prod below can reveal many horrors. Also buy a Mondeo instead. None of the badge snobbery and better breakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shedenvy Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Don't let people convince you 'oh thats just a Mondeo in drag' etc etc. When it comes to a few crucial differences it can make a lot of difference. The injectors are due to be replaced after 100K, the Ford diagnostic software wont talk to a Jag ECU so you have to take to a Fuel system or Jag indi to get em coded in. The rear lower control arms (another common failure) are also specific to the Jag. Mondeo ones will put the camber out. Check for dodgy tyre wear or a brand new set of tyres on the rear - then try to look at the bushings on the lower control arms to assess the condition. Not particuarly difficult to change if the bolts come out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The 2.0 is ok but not especially reliable in old age. Problems are... Turbo Actuators can bake themselves when on overboost, causing limp home mode. Can’t be replaced independently of the turbo. Also the VNT clogs up on the turbo. Make sure the actuator arm moves freely. Cam sensor can fail causing cutting out, check for a black sensor on these but this was mostly fixed by about 04. Injectors can be an issue, any rough running or smoke then run away. Sometimes the injectors go ‘out of spec’ and require recoding but this is a sign the injectors are on their way out as the wear means the fall out of spec. Fuel pumps as well, pretty much a throw away job if this goes. Alternator drive belt tensioners can start to fail DMF Plus all the other usual suspects with the Mondeo running gear, failing rear Calipers, subframe bushes etc, rear wheel bearing cassettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chompy_snake Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, shedenvy said: Don't let people convince you 'oh thats just a Mondeo in drag' etc etc. Well it sort of is, but, afaik it's closer to a MK2 than a MK3 chassis using parts shared with the MK3 in some areas. But essentially it IS a jaguar. However, in my experience personally, the MK3 Mondeo resists rot better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpjitservices Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, chompy_snake said: Well it sort of is, but, afaik it's closer to a MK2 than a MK3 chassis using parts shared with the MK3 in some areas. But essentially it IS a jaguar. However, in my experience personally, the MK3 Mondeo resists rot better THe top Rot spot on the Mondy is around the top of the windscreen I have found! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Doesn’t rot out though. Early ones can go at the back of the sills or bottom of doors. Bigger worry is the brake pipes over the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil clark Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 So basically dont buy one then! ?? chompy_snake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, Neil clark said: So basically dont buy one then! ?? You are spending a grand on a 12 year old diesel. Just don't expect to be running it in three years - it will be a chinese 125 by then. 124Cab, cpjitservices and Neil clark 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Exactly. Buy one that runs right and run it till death. Don’t start thinking in terms of preserving it or going mad on unnecessary expenditure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 My neighbour has had a succession of these and he prefers the 2.0 over the 2.2, FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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