jaycey001 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Hi all A friends car shed its timing belt a few days ago, it snapped when she turned the engine off. Its a petrol C2 around 2006 I think. I have never taken an engine apart, but am pretty mechanically minded and have done many other repairs to cars. I am kind of interested in having a go at fixing it, just to learn a bit more. But I do not want to end up going down a rabbit hole.If its likely just a case of replacing the bent valves and doing the necessary gaskets then that would be great - what do you all think, is it likely a few bent valves and that's it or could the pistons be damaged and conrod ect... I have no experience with this engine, and suspect some of you will have a greater understanding of the likely damage so I would appreciate some feedback. One last thing - regards the cambelt is this simple enough to change and find TDC or will I need some kind of electronic tool to set TDC? Many ThanksJames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSdriver Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Step 1 Get Haynes book of lies Step 2 Scream for help when all is not clear We are all behind you with moral support. If it snapped as the engine was being shut down there may not be damage to the valves. Rolling them along a flat surface will expose any bent ones. Pat Earrings, strangeangel and bangernomics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangernomics Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 TDC after you remove the head is even easier. Pull head, buy second hand head as cheaper than valves. Clean everything lots Stretch bolts? Buy good quality gasket set. Belt tensioner and if it’s on the path or obscured by belt waterpump. Follow HBOL shedenvy, strangeangel and DSdriver 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shedenvy Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 From experience I would first establish:Is your friend hoping to get the car back or sell on?Is there any deadline?Who will pay for parts?Will you be compensated for labour? Even if it goes tits up? Even if you have to abandon it half way?What's the cost of potential parts assuming just a recon/2nd hand head and gaskets and timing belt kit?What's the potential value of the car as scrap and if the repair has been done? Best case would be that you have a go, learn something, get £50 for the pleasure, sell a working car on cheap and the owner earns a few quid back to go to next month's PCP payment. The Moog, Dick Longbridge and Alanism 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainagain Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 TDC after you remove the head is even easier. Pull head, buy second hand head as cheaper than valves. If you've a u pull it nearby they do cylinders heads for £50+VAT. bangernomics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkyarddog Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Are these an interference engine?? Before you go ripping the head off,it would be worth setting the timing and fitting a new belt.It may well be fine. ianbmw, twosmoke300, dome and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dome Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Are these an interference engine?? Before you go ripping the head off,it would be worth setting the timing and fitting a new belt.It may well be fine. Was going to say, new belt and a compression test will show if any valves are bent. Find out what caused it to snap in the first place though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 My opinion is I wouldn't get involved. 95 quid Peugeot, tooSavvy, sierraman and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmund Fraud Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 TUs are interference, I'm afraid, and few survive a broken belt without valve damage. I'd pay a tenner for a new belt, and do a compression test to start with. You may be lucky ! If there is valve damage, they're pretty simple engines to work on, and a DIY head replacement would be OK if you're methodical and have a reasonable toolkit. Parts are plentiful in scrapyards, but they're rather prone to OMGHGF so be careful if you do go down the second hand head route. Also budget £150-200 for parts and consumables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Tidybeard Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 put a belt on my bro-in-law picked up a R8 1.6 with a snapped belt an the honda engine is interferance so bound to be fuvked- car went on to do many miles as a taxi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianbmw Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Agreed,if the engine was at low RPM and the clutch was dipped,you could be lucky! Personally,if the heads coming off,it's skim,new gaskets,oil,filters,anti freeze belt,tensioner..... Put a belt on,see what happens It's a fix for the love of it rather than it actually being financially viable. Says the man who won't let ANY car die. Sent from my SM-A530F using Tapatalk Jerzy Woking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 By the time you’ve bought valves, sorted out what damage it’s done to the pistons etc and fitted another gasket etc I’d be inclined to stick another engine in it. They’re all over those C2’s I can’t imagine a second hand unit to be much. But even doing that if you’ve took the engine out then you might be in for a clutch whilst it’s out. At a guess it’ll have bent a few valves and the associated damage that’ll do. Unless you’ve somewhere clean and dry to work then think again if you’ve got to strip the cylinder head down, engine rebuilds done in the side of the road in the grit won’t end well. Or even better direct her towards a garage. bigfella2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserone Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I have a head, complete with brand new belt, gasket, etc. Yours for a can of beer, but it's from a 1.8 405, so it's probably not going to fit.. Welcome to the block too, if you can get the remnants of the head bolt out if it The Moog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffgeezer Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 We had a 1.6 16v c2 that got away with busting a belt. You don't need to skim the head unless there is any pitting on the face of it. From what I recall, the valves are £14-20 each, so a 16v soon gets expensive! Jim Bell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaycey001 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Thanks for all the information! Doesn’t seem financials viable (but then again every car I have owned a loved has not been financially viable!)Its still sat here and if its not gone to the scrap yard by time I get back from holidays I might stick a belt on and see what happens.... may be lucky! I may end up doing it purely for the benefit of learning to do it and have a bit of a summer project..... but maybe I will see sense before I say yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddeliveryboy Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I've no idea how similar the 16v is to an 8v TU, but a 106 1.1 snapped it's belt as I was coasting to a junction and it went just as well after than before - seem to remember it was an easy job to wrap another belt on. Got to be worth a try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New POD Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 To me if I owned the car, I'd try a new belt. If that didn't fix it. I'd take the head off and replace the head. If there was piston damage, I'd find a decent second hand engine and swap it. If I had time. If it were mine. If it were a friends I'd offer to buy it for the trade in value when fixed minus the cost of an engine minus 200 quid. What's a C2 worth these days? £800 To £1000 trade in ? Engine and clutch £500 to 700 ? Minus 200 You have to get it for less than free but no more than 200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New POD Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Thanks for all the information! Doesn’t seem financials viable (but then again every car I have owned a loved has not been financially viable!)Its still sat here and if its not gone to the scrap yard by time I get back from holidays I might stick a belt on and see what happens.... may be lucky! I may end up doing it purely for the benefit of learning to do it and have a bit of a summer project..... but maybe I will see sense before I say yes We ignore the financials and go with the value of learning. LightBulbFun, Jerzy Woking and bangernomics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 My sons C2 has just eaten its cambelt .. belt is still in place but the engine spins but the cam does not he ringing the scrap man ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New POD Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Scrap yard engine. It's just an AX right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 How much is a timing belt on its own and can you do the work yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 He has the offer of another car so he is not arsed , I suspect the water pump has seized and torn teeth off .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Jude Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Obviously I'm the worst person in the world to give advice - but I'd say go for it. Nothing to lose on what is now a boat anchor of a car. sierraman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfella2 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Second hand engines for these are mega cheap as they are shared with 206's and other PSA stuff, just depends if you can be bothered to change it, depends how attached to the car you are. St.Jude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, St.Jude said: Obviously I'm the worst person in the world to give advice - but I'd say go for it. Nothing to lose on what is now a boat anchor of a car. I am tempted to stick it on the drive , lift the head etc and have a butchers , then fix or scrap .. its has good tyres , exhaust .. St.Jude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New POD Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Fraz said: How much is a timing belt on its own and can you do the work yourself? It woukd make a good project. What larger engine can you shoehorn in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New POD Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, MikeR said: I am tempted to stick it on the drive , lift the head etc and have a butchers , then fix or scrap .. its has good tyres , exhaust .. What's the worst? It's already scrap. Can't make it more scrap. St.Jude, MikeR and Fraz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 What have you got to lose at this point, probably bent a few valves etc, in fairness by time you’ve bought valves, gasket and whatnot you might find a used engine cheap enough. Needless to say chuck a belt on it before you throw it in. bigfella2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Jude Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 hours ago, New POD said: It woukd make a good project. What larger engine can you shoehorn in? 1.6 TU5 petrol, according to the Wikipedia WOL. Although the Peugeot 206 had a 2.0l petrol engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfella2 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Quite a few people have managed to fit 3.0v6 engines to these. That must be bonkers. I once saw a c2 that had two v6 engines and 4wd. MikeR, beko1987 and rainagain 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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