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Quote"Sadly failed MOT due to emissions plus a couple of other fixable items"

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I think* a couple of "fixable" items may not be quite* correct...

Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects):

  • Exhaust emits excessive smoke or vapour likely to obscure the vision of other road users (8.2.2.2 (c))

Repair immediately (major defects):

  • Parking brake efficiency below requirements (1.4.2 (a) (i))
  • Nearside Rear Anti-roll bar ball joint dust cover no longer prevents the ingress of dirt (5.3.4 (b) (ii))
  • Supplementary restraint system warning lamp indicates a fault (7.1.6 (a))
  • Nearside Headlamp insecure headlamp mounting fixing broken (4.1.1 (c))
  • Nearside Headlamp aim too low and too far to the right. (4.1.2 (a))
  • Nearside Front Brake hose excessively damaged and offside front brake hose pipe split/deteriorated (1.1.12 (b) (ii))

Repair as soon as possible (minor defects):

  • Offside Rear Anti-roll bar ball joint dust cover severely deteriorated (5.3.4 (b) (i))

Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):

  • Offside Rear lamp lens damage/cracked
  • body work damaged to offside rear side panel/rear bumper
  • Front Brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (1.1.14 (a) (ii))
  • Rear Brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (1.1.14 (a) (ii))
  • Nearside Rear Brake pad(s) wearing thin brake pads worn very low (1.1.13 (a) (ii))
  • Nearside Front Tyre slightly damaged/cracking or perishing and offside front tyres tread has a serious cracks (5.2.3 (d) (ii))
  • Offside Rear Tyre worn close to legal limit/worn on edge (5.2.3 (e))
  • Offside Rear coil spring rusted
  • Front and rear suspension components rusted
  • interior mirror missing
  • engine making rattling noise
  • (emissions) test just pass

 

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22 minutes ago, puddlethumper said:

I get parts for my 305 from the seller and have seen this in the flesh. He had It up for 6500 a while ago. Wood.

It's one hell of a car.

Meanwhile..

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/626593924983260

This is near me, inbetweeners replica that needs saving.  Sans MOT. This has got 'egg project' written all over it.

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But I'm about as likely to be allowed to buy this as I am to get Jenna Coleman's phone number.

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10 hours ago, MisterH said:

I wish they hadn't put those wheeltrims on the Rapiers, makes a dashing car look like it was from the black and white era, rather than technicolour, if you know what I mean 

The car was Roy Axe styled...not sure if he ok'd the wheels. 

You are right - overall the Rapier had a slighly 'Terry and June' feel to it compared to the go-getting MK1 Capri...and subsequently sold in considerably lesser numbers. About 5000 a year which is not really profitable. About 1.2 million Mk1 Capri's were sold by comparison. This shape Rapier came out in '67 and Capri in '69 which must have hammered Rapier sales. 

Some of that is down to the detailing/jewellery on the cars - which Ford were so good at.  With a little more bizzaz - the Rapier might have done better. That parts bin steering wheel is really unfortunate on a 'sporting' car. As are the dustbin lid hubcaps. Fins are an anachronism on a new car by 1967 too when hip 'fashion' cars were moving to a kamm-tail look.

But its worth remembering that Rootes were a minnow compared to Ford's resources and the Rapier would have been developed for peanuts compared to Capri.

Capri was bound to be more profitable too - there is an awful lot of complex pressings and expensive to produce detail on the Rapier. Also made at the orphan Linwood plant with it's expensive supply chain problems.  A lot of parts would have been shipped up from Coventry which ate profits.

Overall the car was a bit of an heroic failure - but still very very nice...a lovely old thing to own.  A great achievement with the available resources - but just a bit left behind.

I used to drive past the Ryton-on Dunsmoor factory in the 70's - you could see all the finished Rootes/Chrysler cars lined up outside from the A45. A great sight...

A former wartime shadow factory - now all demolished.

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1 hour ago, lesapandre said:

The car was Roy Axe styled...not sure if he ok'd the wheels. 

You are right - overall the Rapier had a slighly 'Terry and June' feel to it compared to the go-getting MK1 Capri...and subsequently sold in considerably lesser numbers. About 5000 a year which is not really profitable. About 1.2 million Mk1 Capri's were sold by comparison. This shape Rapier came out in '67 and Capri in '69 which must have hammered Rapier sales. 

Some of that is down to the detailing/jewellery on the cars - which Ford were so good at.  With a little more bizzaz - the Rapier might have done better. That parts bin steering wheel is really unfortunate on a 'sporting' car. As are the dustbin lid hubcaps. Fins are an anachronism on a new car by 1967 too when hip 'fashion' cars were moving to a kamm-tail look.

But its worth remembering that Rootes were a minnow compared to Ford's resources and the Rapier would have been developed for peanuts compared to Capri.

Capri was bound to be more profitable too - there is an awful lot of complex pressings and expensive to produce detail on the Rapier. Also made at the orphan Linwood plant with it's expensive supply chain problems.  A lot of parts would have been shipped up from Coventry which ate profits.

Overall the car was a bit of an heroic failure - but still very very nice...a lovely old thing to own.  A great achievement with the available resources - but just a bit left behind.

I used to drive past the Ryton-on Dunsmoor factory in the 70's - you could see all the finished Rootes/Chrysler cars lined up outside from the A45. A great sight...

A former wartime shadow factory - now all demolished.

It's also worth remembering that the Rapier was sold with only one engine, in one of three states of tune, against the Opel Manta (two engine sizes) and the Capri (all the engines you could wish for!).  The base-model Rapier even had a different name (Alpine), a practice Ford used on the Zephyr/Zodiac and continued into the first couple of years of Consul/Granada.  The Capri might have been the sector leader, by some margin, but the closest thing philosophically to the Rapier was actually the smaller, nimbler Toyota Celica, which received frequent updating, unlike the Rapier.

Also, Rootes might have been trading on their history a little.  In the early 60s the previous Rapier was the well-established king of the sector, and Ford's upstart Capri was a short-lived contender with nothing like the range the 1969-on models would have.  The concurrent Alpine was a very different car; smaller and much more glamorous, using the Rapier's engine.

I still think that yellow (beige?) one is delightful and I absolutely WOOD.

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Thanks Eddy for that additional info. Yes I had an early Alpine sports in the 1970's. A 1964 car but really rusty by 1978 when I bought it. But still a very nice car. Gold with a black interior. £80...

Yea  Rootes/Simca/ Chrysler were really chasing profits elsewhere with Avenger and then their new hatchbacks so the Rapier cars was always a bit of an anachronism which was left to wither away.

As you say the Japanese stepped into the void. I had several Datsun 260K cars which were a similar concept. But they rusted too... oh yes😁 

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There's no denying, it took a heck of a long time for the Japanese to "get" the idea of rustproofing!

By the time the Rapier died (76 IIRC) all the rivals I mentioned had been replaced by new models, and all were younger designs anyway, so the Rapier was looking distinctly old-fashioned.  Long model runs had fallen by the wayside.  The name might carry on, but the face would keep changing.  Other manufacturers joined the party, and others started a whole new fashion: see Triumph Dolomite and Sprint, with four doors and significantly more power.  But BL made the same mistake, using an old platform (FWD 1300) and failing to update it.

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37 minutes ago, eddyramrod said:

There's no denying, it took a heck of a long time for the Japanese to "get" the idea of rustproofing!

By the time the Rapier died (76 IIRC) all the rivals I mentioned had been replaced by new models, and all were younger designs anyway, so the Rapier was looking distinctly old-fashioned.  Long model runs had fallen by the wayside.  The name might carry on, but the face would keep changing.  Other manufacturers joined the party, and others started a whole new fashion: see Triumph Dolomite and Sprint, with four doors and significantly more power.  But BL made the same mistake, using an old platform (FWD 1300) and failing to update it.

And then of course the whole GTI world began.. 

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14 hours ago, busmansholiday said:

What more do you need to know? :)

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3 hours ago, lesapandre said:

The car was Roy Axe styled...not sure if he ok'd the wheels. 

You are right - overall the Rapier had a slighly 'Terry and June' feel to it compared to the go-getting MK1 Capri...and subsequently sold in considerably lesser numbers. About 5000 a year which is not really profitable. About 1.2 million Mk1 Capri's were sold by comparison. This shape Rapier came out in '67 and Capri in '69 which must have hammered Rapier sales. 

Some of that is down to the detailing/jewellery on the cars - which Ford were so good at.  With a little more bizzaz - the Rapier might have done better. That parts bin steering wheel is really unfortunate on a 'sporting' car. As are the dustbin lid hubcaps. Fins are an anachronism on a new car by 1967 too when hip 'fashion' cars were moving to a kamm-tail look.

But its worth remembering that Rootes were a minnow compared to Ford's resources and the Rapier would have been developed for peanuts compared to Capri.

Capri was bound to be more profitable too - there is an awful lot of complex pressings and expensive to produce detail on the Rapier. Also made at the orphan Linwood plant with it's expensive supply chain problems.  A lot of parts would have been shipped up from Coventry which ate profits.

Overall the car was a bit of an heroic failure - but still very very nice...a lovely old thing to own.  A great achievement with the available resources - but just a bit left behind.

I used to drive past the Ryton-on Dunsmoor factory in the 70's - you could see all the finished Rootes/Chrysler cars lined up outside from the A45. A great sight...

A former wartime shadow factory - now all demolished.

Sunbeam Rapier H120: classiccars

I think it speaks to the strength of the design that when done up in H120 form with stripes and Rostyles (or similar) It looks fan-fecking-tastic, like a real baby muscle car.  Indeed this is one of my all time want cars, shame that prices are getting unfeasible now...

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1 hour ago, MisterH said:

Sunbeam Rapier H120: classiccars

I think it speaks to the strength of the design that when done up in H120 form with stripes and Rostyles (or similar) It looks fan-fecking-tastic, like a real baby muscle car.  Indeed this is one of my all time want cars, shame that prices are getting unfeasible now...

I'd love one too, and looked at getting one 10-15 years ago when they were relatively cheap, but even then parts were made of unobtanium which put me off.

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2 minutes ago, CortinaDave said:

I'd love one too, and looked at getting one 10-15 years ago when they were relatively cheap, but even then parts were made of unobtanium which put me off.

I don't think they are massively expensive now, under 10k for sure, but for me it needs to be under 5k

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