lesapandre Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Thanks Eddy for that additional info. Yes I had an early Alpine sports in the 1970's. A 1964 car but really rusty by 1978 when I bought it. But still a very nice car. Gold with a black interior. £80... Yea Rootes/Simca/ Chrysler were really chasing profits elsewhere with Avenger and then their new hatchbacks so the Rapier cars was always a bit of an anachronism which was left to wither away. As you say the Japanese stepped into the void. I had several Datsun 260K cars which were a similar concept. But they rusted too... oh yes😁 eddyramrod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyramrod Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 There's no denying, it took a heck of a long time for the Japanese to "get" the idea of rustproofing! By the time the Rapier died (76 IIRC) all the rivals I mentioned had been replaced by new models, and all were younger designs anyway, so the Rapier was looking distinctly old-fashioned. Long model runs had fallen by the wayside. The name might carry on, but the face would keep changing. Other manufacturers joined the party, and others started a whole new fashion: see Triumph Dolomite and Sprint, with four doors and significantly more power. But BL made the same mistake, using an old platform (FWD 1300) and failing to update it. lesapandre, BL Bloke and JeeExEll 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Looks like a good buy for 700 sheets and MOT until April. 185bhp 2.0 TFsi too so it should be nippy. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/395670235452705 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Best colour, sprint engine and high tide line (5 grand though) https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/346425527160115/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks&tracking={"qid"%3A"-7934894214836388201"%2C"mf_story_key"%3A"160668546809825716"%2C"commerce_rank_obj"%3A"{\"target_id\"%3A160668546809825716%2C\"target_type\"%3A6%2C\"primary_position\"%3A0%2C\"ranking_signature\"%3A2234779528306098176%2C\"commerce_channel\"%3A501%2C\"value\"%3A0%2C\"upsell_type\"%3A21%2C\"grouping_info\"%3Anull}"} SteersWithThrottle, MorrisItalSLX and face 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesapandre Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 37 minutes ago, eddyramrod said: There's no denying, it took a heck of a long time for the Japanese to "get" the idea of rustproofing! By the time the Rapier died (76 IIRC) all the rivals I mentioned had been replaced by new models, and all were younger designs anyway, so the Rapier was looking distinctly old-fashioned. Long model runs had fallen by the wayside. The name might carry on, but the face would keep changing. Other manufacturers joined the party, and others started a whole new fashion: see Triumph Dolomite and Sprint, with four doors and significantly more power. But BL made the same mistake, using an old platform (FWD 1300) and failing to update it. And then of course the whole GTI world began.. eddyramrod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSdriver Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 14 hours ago, busmansholiday said: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202108156256870?advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=500&postcode=TQ1 3AT&sort=distance&page=2&include-delivery-option=on Meriva in Bridgend for £255 with the helpful* total description of "silver". What more do you need to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherStu Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 https://www.gumtree.com/p/saab/saab-9-3-estate-2007-other-1998-cc-5-doors/1412294891 Seems reasonable at £750. 93k. "Clunking" on the driver's wheel when slowing down. MOT? History? Your guess is as good as mine. Remspoor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterH Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 3 hours ago, lesapandre said: The car was Roy Axe styled...not sure if he ok'd the wheels. You are right - overall the Rapier had a slighly 'Terry and June' feel to it compared to the go-getting MK1 Capri...and subsequently sold in considerably lesser numbers. About 5000 a year which is not really profitable. About 1.2 million Mk1 Capri's were sold by comparison. This shape Rapier came out in '67 and Capri in '69 which must have hammered Rapier sales. Some of that is down to the detailing/jewellery on the cars - which Ford were so good at. With a little more bizzaz - the Rapier might have done better. That parts bin steering wheel is really unfortunate on a 'sporting' car. As are the dustbin lid hubcaps. Fins are an anachronism on a new car by 1967 too when hip 'fashion' cars were moving to a kamm-tail look. But its worth remembering that Rootes were a minnow compared to Ford's resources and the Rapier would have been developed for peanuts compared to Capri. Capri was bound to be more profitable too - there is an awful lot of complex pressings and expensive to produce detail on the Rapier. Also made at the orphan Linwood plant with it's expensive supply chain problems. A lot of parts would have been shipped up from Coventry which ate profits. Overall the car was a bit of an heroic failure - but still very very nice...a lovely old thing to own. A great achievement with the available resources - but just a bit left behind. I used to drive past the Ryton-on Dunsmoor factory in the 70's - you could see all the finished Rootes/Chrysler cars lined up outside from the A45. A great sight... A former wartime shadow factory - now all demolished. I think it speaks to the strength of the design that when done up in H120 form with stripes and Rostyles (or similar) It looks fan-fecking-tastic, like a real baby muscle car. Indeed this is one of my all time want cars, shame that prices are getting unfeasible now... BL Bloke, Shite Ron, Austat and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyramrod Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 I agree! Note the H120 got a variation on the Kamm tail too. Shite Ron and MisterH 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooSavvy Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 14 hours ago, Isopon said: pwoar best angle for these IMHO https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185005092053?hash=item2b1329acd5:g:qsYAAOSwOrlhHPyG Floorpan (extra over rear axle) is from the estate.... *two set of golf clubs, obvs 🧐 JeeExEll, eddyramrod and lesapandre 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erebus Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 9:30 AM, Erebus said: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/351677496429464/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A646614c6-09d5-4ed5-81e9-f10a56539345 Looks pretty shonky but gotta be the cheapest MOT'd 205 for sale Now even cheaper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CortinaDave Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 1 hour ago, MisterH said: I think it speaks to the strength of the design that when done up in H120 form with stripes and Rostyles (or similar) It looks fan-fecking-tastic, like a real baby muscle car. Indeed this is one of my all time want cars, shame that prices are getting unfeasible now... I'd love one too, and looked at getting one 10-15 years ago when they were relatively cheap, but even then parts were made of unobtanium which put me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterH Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, CortinaDave said: I'd love one too, and looked at getting one 10-15 years ago when they were relatively cheap, but even then parts were made of unobtanium which put me off. I don't think they are massively expensive now, under 10k for sure, but for me it needs to be under 5k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesapandre Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 5 hours ago, MisterH said: I think it speaks to the strength of the design that when done up in H120 form with stripes and Rostyles (or similar) It looks fan-fecking-tastic, like a real baby muscle car. Indeed this is one of my all time want cars, shame that prices are getting unfeasible now... Yes it just needed that extra detail to bring it alive - better colour, side-stripe, blacked out grille with subtle centre badge, sill -covers and good wheels. Makes a big difference. 46,204 made overall in 9 years. By comparison Ford sold 200,000 Capris in all markets in the first two years of production and a staggering 233,000 cars in 1973. MisterH, eddyramrod and BL Bloke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwave Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1714071478779340 Well, this is definitely a thing that exists. Not sure 3 people would be especially comfy in there. cort16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 5 hours ago, MisterH said: I think it speaks to the strength of the design that when done up in H120 form with stripes and Rostyles (or similar) It looks fan-fecking-tastic, like a real baby muscle car. Indeed this is one of my all time want cars, shame that prices are getting unfeasible now... I bought an Alpine in 1978 for £375 (it was already rusty but the brown paint hid most of it). It chucked some rings one day so I found a bloke selling a Holbay engine in Rotherham and bought it (and the clutch release arm and bearings which are different). Fitted it then it failed an MOT for galloping rot. Somebody told me about a stash of bodyshells in a scrappy near Gainsborough, so I went and bought one. Mate fetched it on a trailer (this would be 1981 ish) and rebuilt it. Father, wife to be hated it, but I loved it, went like stink (I removed the interlocks on the overdrive 'box so I effectively had 8 forward gears!!) Some twat ran into it one frozen winter morning in 1986 and wrote it off. I still miss it. Remspoor, MisterH, lesapandre and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, Soundwave said: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1714071478779340 Well, this is definitely a thing that exists. Not sure 3 people would be especially comfy in there. Location --- Doncaster, land of the...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 33,000 mile Starlet for £850 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202108176324037 500tops, willswitchengage and Justwatching 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooSavvy Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Suzuki-Swift-1-0-Sky-Limited-Edition-3dr-Hatchback-Petrol-Manual-/334114187232?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0 Two and a half bags for this grotfest... *MOT 2015 'front floor mounts' adv is the 'horns' = it's on borrowed time!! wuvvum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, tooSavvy said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Suzuki-Swift-1-0-Sky-Limited-Edition-3dr-Hatchback-Petrol-Manual-/334114187232?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0 Two and a half bags for this grotfest... *MOT 2015 'front floor mounts' adv is the 'horns' = it's on borrowed time!! Mine's a Sky with a similar history of rust and not many more miles on the clock. I'd be happy with a fifth of that price. tooSavvy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwave Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Given their relative scarcity, seems to be an awful lot of Safranes coming up for sale as of late. This one is specifically a Renault Safrane Car, just in case you thought it might be a Renault Safrane fondue set.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124860950476 BertiePuntoCabrio, Remspoor, Tadhg Tiogar and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw118 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Have we had this yet? BX 19TDRSWTFBBQ £320 so far, Sapcote, which is in that Leicestershire apparently. Needs pretty much everything tho. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174892897079?hash=item28b86dd337:g:EHYAAOSwYjJhGVc7 Shite Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw118 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 BRANFIND Summerzet, £127 so far. Be like @Angrydicky https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184998031753?hash=item2b12bdf189:g:CqMAAOSwSBFhF57J Angrydicky and Remspoor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyramrod Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Is that the ASPD livery? LightBulbFun, Kringle, outlaw118 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw118 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Zodiac Mindwarp. £200 start. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174898471064?hash=item28b8c2e098:g:3uAAAOSwguFhHX7M Quote ENGINE DOES TURN VERY FREELY JUST NEEDS TLC bigstraight6, KWhite, Rusty_Rocket and 4 others 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
155V6 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 9 hours ago, MisterH said: I think it speaks to the strength of the design that when done up in H120 form with stripes and Rostyles (or similar) It looks fan-fecking-tastic, like a real baby muscle car. Indeed this is one of my all time want cars, shame that prices are getting unfeasible now... Father_155 had an H120 in the early eighties,it was a flying machine after the Renault 8s & 16s he'd had before it. A couple of years later,he had a standard Rapier.I learned to drive in this,along with his Mini Pickup.I always wished it was the H120 though 🤔 Then in the early nineties,he got another H120 which had been restored & I got to drive it a few times 😎 Unfortunately,this was when he had the habit of driving cars until the Mot ran out,& it was parked in the front garden where it still is now.I reckon the glass might be usable,but that's probably about it 🙄 busmansholiday, Remspoor, BL Bloke and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Those Rapiers are a nice thing, but I would baulk at paying £5K+ for what is basically a Hillman Hunter in a party frock. I like Hunters but the most I've ever paid for one is about £350. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justwatching Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 1988 Alpine Renault GTA specialist recommissioned and ready to use | eBay SteersWithThrottle, MisterH, Marina door handles and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busmansholiday Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, wuvvum said: Those Rapiers are a nice thing, but I would baulk at paying £5K+ for what is basically a Hillman Hunter in a party frock. I like Hunters but the most I've ever paid for one is about £350. Had a GLS, which is the Holbay engined one. Seem to remember it cost me less than a hundred quid from a kid who was about to weigh it in at the scrappies I was hunting for Mini parts in near Beckles (sis lived there, I went down for the weekend to fix their Countryman - proper original mini one). Left it at her house, went down next weekend, changed head gasket and rocketed it home. Ran out of fuel in Lincoln, ever tried finding a petrol station in Lincoln on a Sunday night in the early 80's?. Passed its MOT, ended up using it for spares for Rapier. And that odd tapping noise you get from Holbay engines ??. It's because they used hollow push rods with shrunk fit cam followers and rocker cups. They eventually wear loose, you have to remove them all and check them before centre punching the bastards that's causing the noise. Ask me how I know. Shite Ron, tooSavvy, MisterH and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarvinsMom Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174899639006?hash=item28b8d4b2de:g:LJwAAOSwIqRgn8gk the 1970s were abit of a low point in automotive design still would though eddyramrod, BL Bloke and Remspoor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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