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4 hours ago, MisterH said:

@Skizzer this looks very tasty

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1345807

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RHD UK car, not as extinct as I feared, did they do a 4WD?

Rare but not extinct — my old one still exists (a 2000 Turbo ie but not an HF, can’t remember the differences offhand).

No, they didn’t do 4wd on the Dedra. All were FWD and ate front tyres for breakfast.

That one looks rather tasty, and not too badly priced given what Delta HF Turbos go for now.

 

Edit: Wikipedia disagrees, apparently there was a 4wd Integrale version. But I don’t believe we got it in the UK, I think they’d stopped importing them by that time.

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4 minutes ago, Skizzer said:

Rare but not extinct — my old one still exists (a 2000 Turbo ie but not an HF, can’t remember the differences offhand).

No, they didn’t do 4wd on the Dedra. All were FWD and ate front tyres for breakfast.

That one looks rather tasty, and not too badly priced given what Delta HF Turbos go for now.

 

Edit: Wikipedia disagrees, apparently there was a 4wd Integrale version. But I don’t believe we got it in the UK.

Don't know why but 4wd models of cars have always intrigued me, but when thinking about my upbringing, it does make sense, it is almost like the Third Way in the FWD/RWD debate

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1 minute ago, wuvvum said:

I paid 50 quid for a Delta HF Turbo back in 2001.  It was a bit* rusty but still went like the absolute clappers.

I passed on a tidy running one for about £700 as recently as 2016ish.

Finger on the fucking pulse as ever, stick a nought on that now.

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10 minutes ago, MisterH said:

Don't know why but 4wd models of cars have always intrigued me, but when thinking about my upbringing, it does make sense, it is almost like the Third Way in the FWD/RWD debate

Yes, although a friend who ran a C-reg Audi Coupe Quattro (so the 2.2 5-pot but minus turbo and wide arches) as a cheap banger in the mid-90s, and really drove it, reckoned the downside was you never quite knew which end was going to break away first.

Not sure how big an issue this is in reality. By the time I got a TT in 2002 it was definitely engineered for understeer, because the sort of people who buy TTs panic and lift off rather than keep on the power and countersteer.

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Just now, Skizzer said:

Yes, although a friend who ran a C-reg Audi Coupe Quattro (so the 2.2 5-pot but minus turbo) as a cheap banger in the mid-90s, and really drove it, reckoned the downside was you never quite knew which end was going to break away first.

Not sure how big an issue this is in reality.

Having experienced how it feels going at 70 on a wet road (my father isn't afraid to enjoy it) it does stay planted so long as you respect its limits and don't aquaplane it, as far as I know, 4WD excels where the wheel itself is useful as a means of propulsion, so dry, wet, but not Ice or standing water, although it is safer than the other types. 

In terms of engineering, the quattro is a bit of a parts bin special, I think they engineered the 4wd system using the gearbox of the Iltis jeep, audi 200 driveshaft and the Polo FWD set up, but may be wrong on that, a polo was there somewhere🤣

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43 minutes ago, Skizzer said:

Yes, although a friend who ran a C-reg Audi Coupe Quattro (so the 2.2 5-pot but minus turbo and wide arches) as a cheap banger in the mid-90s, and really drove it, reckoned the downside was you never quite knew which end was going to break away first.

 

The relatively short wheelbase Audi Coupes still had that glorious but long and heavy 5 cyl. engine cantilevered out in front of the front axle and that must have led to a lot of lift-off weight transfer: from much understeer to much oversteer. 

Real road-car 4WD means you are going much faster when you crash! 

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11 minutes ago, Asimo said:

The relatively short wheelbase Audi Coupes still had that glorious but long and heavy 5 cyl. engine cantilevered out in front of the front axle and that must have led to a lot of lift-off weight transfer: from much understeer to much oversteer. 

Real road-car 4WD means you are going much faster when you crash! 

Yeah we have got an original LWB quattro which is great to drive and look at, but always thought the sport quattro (or hunchback horror as I call it) just looked like it was spinning a 360 while standing still, gives me shivers 

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