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I'm a bit conflicted about that. Not sure whether just to deal with whatever arrives or be pro-active. I think if I could actually speak to the person handling my case (yeah, right) I could sort it. But otherwise I think I'd be unlikely to be successful. Probably a do nothing situation.

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2 hours ago, egg said:

I'm a bit conflicted about that. Not sure whether just to deal with whatever arrives or be pro-active. I think if I could actually speak to the person handling my case (yeah, right) I could sort it. But otherwise I think I'd be unlikely to be successful. Probably a do nothing situation.

My suggestion would be to get the paperwork from the DVLA in your hand, then review it and if you think it's worth doing so at that point, you could advise the DVLA of any changes you think need to be made. After all, until you get the V5, how would you know exactly what was on it and what may be wrong and what may need to be changed?

The key goal for now, surely, is to get the V5 issued to you? I'd advocate you focus on that and get that sorted, rather than adding in the potential for further delay...

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yay! the 3rd party websites I use to get info on vehicles that the DVLA checker does not provide, have updated their databases

and now XWC468F shows up and happily the body type is "invalid vehicle" so thats very good!

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it looks like the "2-wheel" thing is either just an OCR fail somewhere or just general DVLA shenanigans

the important thing is the body type is correctly down as "invalid vehicle" 

 

(its interesting to note, that XWC468F in the MOT checker just comes back as "INVACAR" where as most other invacars come back as "INVACAR UNKNOWN" but its not like "UNKNOWN" is on the V5 either, as seen with REV's V5, the Model bit is just blank, its worth noting that WVX947 and a couple earlier Mk12's (PEV627D and NNO246C) also just shows up as "INVACAR" I wonder if those were brought back from the DVLA "dead" like XWC468F was?)

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I think I have said this before a few times but in the early 80s the DVLAs new shimmery computer system was creaking at the seams and they were rapidly running out of storage space for more cars, so records of vehicles which had not had either a change of owner or been taxed for many years were archived and removed from the main system. These were vehicles which would have had a computerised record and logbook issued.

Getting the record back when one of these vehicles comes back into use is a clerical matter. I don't believe that there is any automatic check done to see if a vehicle may be on the archived files if an application is made.

When dealing with enquires of this type address your envelope"Clerical Vehicle Enquiries" do it will actually go to the correct department.

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1 hour ago, DodgeRover said:

I think I have said this before a few times but in the early 80s the DVLAs new shimmery computer system was creaking at the seams and they were rapidly running out of storage space for more cars, so records of vehicles which had not had either a change of owner or been taxed for many years were archived and removed from the main system. These were vehicles which would have had a computerised record and logbook issued.

Getting the record back when one of these vehicles comes back into use is a clerical matter. I don't believe that there is any automatic check done to see if a vehicle may be on the archived files if an application is made.

When dealing with enquires of this type address your envelope"Clerical Vehicle Enquiries" do it will actually go to the correct department.

interesting, I recall reading something like that before :) I found your post here https://autoshite.com/topic/34488-invacar-mk12-no-v5-yet-happier-with-the-dvla/?do=findComment&comment=1745507 but Im pretty sure you or someone else also posted something like what you posted just now somewhere else on this forum as well as your post sounds very familiar 

I do wonder what the exact specific where that meant a vehicle would not get put onto the computer/removed from the computer, for example XWC468F is Tax due 1st Aug 1980, so its not like it was "tax due 1970" when they decided to remove it from the  system or not put it on the system because it had been inactive for 13 years in 1983, unless this "1st of Aug 1980" is just a "filler" thing in lue of any actual tax due information

 

I also know of this for whats its worth

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The conversion of vehicle records – In 1974 DVLC began registering and licensing all new
vehicles and also began converting the old style log book (VE60) registered vehicles onto
the computer, a process which continued until 1983. By then, the Department was facing
grave problems associated with the forgery of old style log books and fraudulent claims to
attractive registration marks. The solution lay in calling a halt to the continuing registration
of old vehicles under their original mark.

 

The closure of the vehicle record – A major publicity campaign was launched regarding these
intentions, which included advertisements in the national newspapers. Reports also appeared in
specialist magazines and information was also circulated to all known vintage vehicle clubs and
societies. To be able to retain an original mark registration had to be effected by 30 November
1983. More than 200,000 motorists took advantage of this opportunity. After the closure of the
record vehicles were only able to reclaim their original registration marks if they could show that
they were rare or in some way historically significant.

 

 

 

from here

https://driveall.co.uk/files/4813/6897/5728/inf57.pdf

its interesting to read, does it mean if you had a car with a Buff Logbook, and never bothered to get a V5 for it, the vehicle would suddenly lose its registration number? or would they see your still taxing it or something and shove it into the computer anyway

its not very clear on that front

 

on the note of DVLA and long dead vehicles a few days ago I spoke to stuart about REV453R, and we realised that it never was taxed, in that it was taxed at the factory, but never made it past its first year

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Stuart and I wonder if REV453R was one of those mythical Model 70's with 0 miles on the clock at the heywood stores that have been mentioned in various articles but we never have had any solid proof of)

we wonder if REV453R was delivered and then just put away into storage right away

its worth noting that I know of RAR29R another one that looks to have not been taxed after delivery 

 

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the question I ask is why do these show up on the DVLA if they did not even make it to their first year, where they "kept alive" by the DHSS somehow?

OR 

why are there Model 70 regs from the time period that DON'T show up on the DVLA if these "not even lasted a year" example do show up?

for example REV452R does not show up on the DVLA, yet if REV453R shows up despite having never even made it a year, so should REV452R should it not? even if it also never made it a year, so why does it not show up?

(its worth noting I think all Model 70 blocks will have reg numbers in them where the DVLA online checker says "Sorry m8 no info found!" obviously a lot more for the earlier reg blocks, but even the last blocks from 1978 will have "holes" in them so to speak) 

it would be quite interesting to see what the DVLA would have to say on a Model 70 whos reg does not show up on the online checker

especially as the post 1974 Model 70's would of all been registered on the DVLCs centralised system and I think issued with computerized logbooks or what have you since the get go right?

(I should have REV453R and RAR29R run by my HPI guy and see if they have a scrapped marker and if so when was it issued?)

 

 

another one I wonder about is LPD806D, the Hammond AC Acedes Mk11 Model 57, it was part of 14 Model 57's that were in storage at haywood at the time, that where being disposed of, and around about this time the cry for some invalid vehicles to be donated to museums was made, hence why there are a good number of Model 57's found in museums these days 

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anyways its very interesting to note a similar 1980 tax due like XWC

I wonder if LPD806D was not on the DVLA computer system at the time, and then when the DHSS transferred ownership of it to the hammond collection, it got "woken up" again like XWC468F, especially as 897PE was part of those 14, which was sadly scrapped rather then saved and does not show up on the DVLA, but what if the DHSS suddenly had to issue that car again or did donate it to a museum...

its also interesting to note that despite LPD806D being untaxed for So long, I can (well could before they broke) pull its chassis number with my public tools

the same goes for a number of other museum Invalid vehicles like PEV627D and DPD778J both of which again not been taxed for Many years yet I can pull their chassis numbers no problem!

 

 

side note I showed Simon of the ICR where the Chassis plate of an Electric AC Model 64 is, he owns "MOJ416" (false plate) but he did not know the chassis number nor where the chassis plate was, so I showed him where it is :)

and so he sent me a picture of it and much to my surprise it says Model 64 Mk5!

it was though until that picture, Mk4A was the highest revision of the Model 64

I do wonder if the AC Model 64 Mk5 has has parallelogram front suspension rather then C tube front suspension, much like how the Invacar Mk12 was fitted with it for the Mk12E

its also worth noting that during my talking with stuart I happened to accidently have reminded him that the AC Acedes Mk14 Model 67 does not have Parallelogram front suspension but actually has C tube type front suspension, and as such he was able to edit his big book draft and correct that mistake (he apparently wrote the Model 67 section of the book many years ago and new info has come to light since then, so when he revisited the section to answer a question I had asked, he spotted the mistake, you can actually see the mistake in the Small book as I call it where on the Invacar Mk12 page it says "while the 12E of April 1969 was fitted with the new Parallelogram front suspension of the AC Acedes Mk14" )

although its worth noting that sadly Stuart has only seen 1 Mk14 up close, so its unknown if all Mk14's had C tube suspension or that or if for some weird reason this 1 Mk14 stuart did see was fitted with older type suspension, or I also wonder if on the Mk14A one of the changes with the "A" was the fitting of parallelogram front suspension 

speaking of chassis plate madness its worth noting that the youngest AC Acedes Model 57 Stuart knows of apparently says "AC Acedes Mk18" on the chassis plate, Mk18! go figure that one out!

when discussing the suspension stuff with stuart I said I wonder if the Mk18 has parallelogram front suspension to which stuart said thats a good thought! but that sadly he never looked under the front service cover of that one, so that remains a mystery

i'm all the more eager to see what the spare parts book has listed in it in terms of the different invalid vehicles it covers (I know it covers a wide range of vehicles, so it might give us some info on the whole suspension thing, and what was different between the Mk14 and Mk14A for example)

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