Wingz123 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 @BlankFrank also worth mentioning that I MAY be able to dig out the number of an a decent fibreglass'er I know. An old boy I know who builds fridge units for vans for Booker... If you've got it sorted cool but when the time comes and all..... he's in wiltshire but that's a minor really. 500tops and BlankFrank 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 another handy something for @BlankFrank a Mk12D with its bodywork removed revealing the bare chassis gives you something to study so you know what to expect a bit more (the photos where originally posted here by @egg, I do recommend reading through the thread if you can but ill keep on posting/bringing back up the handier stuff incase you dont have time etc to go through all 37 pages!) RayMK, Joey spud, BlankFrank and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_craig Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Great to see this being saved for the second time and the enthusiasm for slowly bringing it out of rigor mortis. GR8 work all involved!! Incidentally the posts from @BlankFrank don’t show up in the notification emails I get when the topic has been replied to, but everybody else’s do. Related to the same thing causing the private message non functionality issue perhaps? BlankFrank and LightBulbFun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlankFrank Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 5:44 PM, Joey spud said: You know everyone goes out and claps the NHS once a week well i think there should something similar organised here for Mr Egg. I mean he found this unloved old heap of rust and broken fibre glass,paid to have it transported home and stored in a council lock up even buying odd bits for it along the way. He then spent an age fannying about finding and getting its registration reinstated when mere mortals whould have canned the idea long ago only to have to now sell it on for a token fee. What a thoroughly decent bloke he is. Couldn't agree more. Top man. I wouldn't have half of the drive to work on it without the progress and work he put in before me. LightBulbFun, egg, Joey spud and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Wingz123 said: @BlankFrank also worth mentioning that I MAY be able to dig out the number of an a decent fibreglass'er I know. An old boy I know who builds fridge units for vans for Booker... If you've got it sorted cool but when the time comes and all..... he's in wiltshire but that's a minor really. I wouldn't mind being pointed in their direction... getting some of my bodgery sorted properly is on my to do list at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrett Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Are the doors on these aluminium? This one looks fairly battered BlankFrank, somewhatfoolish and LightBulbFun 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, barrett said: Are the doors on these aluminium? This one looks fairly battered steel door on the Mk12, at least up to the Mk12c you can see one going rusty here! I have some info that says the door became fibreglass with the Mk12D however I have not verified this yet, should do tho! kinda forgot about it! https://autoshite.com/topic/32723-invacar-model-70-acquired-general-ramble-thread-index-on-page-1-survivors-list-on-page-24/?do=findComment&comment=1866811 I was going to say the steel door is why so many Mk12's are missing doors, (they rust off/away) however iv seen sadly a lot of Mk12E's with missing doors and if they are really fibreglass then thats not the case! (see the previous photos of the 9 Mk12's on the recovery vehicles) if the Mk12D and Mk12E doors are fibreglass the reason for the missing doors then would have to be a weakness in the door mounting mechanism rather then the door im guessing! as a side note, not seen that picture before trying to work out what its registration is almost looks like the first 3 letters end in an X which is NOT part of any Essex marking which is very peculiar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, barrett said: Are the doors on these aluminium? This one looks fairly battered was wondering to my self its not UZX555 is it? then I noticed the Thames trader upfront does have a ROI registration! sadly I cant find anything for UZX555 but definitely looks like ZX to me which is a ROI registration marker! wonder if its one of the 6... thats a very interesting spot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrett Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Yes, it's Dublin in 1978, cropped from this photo, and there's definitely a Z in the reg somewhere! LightBulbFun, BlankFrank, egg and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 Manual Invacar Mark12E.pdf Attached a manual from the 12E I had virtually... LightBulbFun and BlankFrank 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Guessing this light seal is Mk12? Bigger than the ones on the Model 70. BlankFrank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 5:44 PM, Joey spud said: You know everyone goes out and claps the NHS once a week well i think there should something similar organised here for Mr Egg. I mean he found this unloved old heap of rust and broken fibre glass,paid to have it transported home and stored in a council lock up even buying odd bits for it along the way. He then spent an age fannying about finding and getting its registration reinstated when mere mortals whould have canned the idea long ago only to have to now sell it on for a token fee. What a thoroughly decent bloke he is. He found my Favorit for me too. Can't thank him enough for that. LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlankFrank Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Got the roof off today. Topless invacar action! Every single nut+bolt holding the invacar body to chassis is rusted beyond the point of no return so i had to break out the angry spanner. You know the car you're working on is old when stuff is visibly brazed together. The bulb dangling under the front of the car in the older pictures is the nearside headlight bulb, here are a couple of close-ups upon LBF's request. No visible markings that i could see. This seems to be the worst part of the body damage simply because it covers the whole rear quarter. 21 hours ago, Zelandeth said: Guessing this light seal is Mk12? *pic* Bigger than the ones on the Model 70. Possibly. I'll have to double check what lighting stuff is needed for full re-assembly in future sometime, it might come in handy. ? 500tops, egg, vulgalour and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 very cool stuff! its actually the first time I have seen a Mk12 with its roof removed, iv seen quite a few topless Model 70's but never a topless Mk12 thanks for the bulb pics, shame there are no visible markings... however if you take the bulb and pop in your fridge or freezer till its nice and cold, then breath on the top of the bulb your breath condensating on the bulb may bring out the etch once more I do wonder if its original to XWC... (if you dont want/need it then please keep it for me dont throw it out! and ill happily take it off your hands some time) its very interesting to see that last photo, never knew/realised XWC survived a fire of some kind! its the almost exact same style of damage that one side of Dolly, @Mrs6C's Model 70 sustained during its time with its previous owner when a shed burnt down next to it On 7/17/2019 at 9:10 PM, quicksilver said: The only obvious missing part is one of the rear light lenses so it doesn't appear to have ever actually been used as a spares donor. It must have been in pretty good shape before the fire as there is very little bodywork damage apart from that caused by the fire. Burnt fibreglass has an amazing* patina And there's a couple of patches on the roof where the gelcoat has burnt away completely to expose raw fibreglass BlankFrank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Strange that it somehow looks less daunting a project with the roof off than with it on. mk2_craig and BlankFrank 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlankFrank Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 4:07 PM, vulgalour said: Strange that it somehow looks less daunting a project with the roof off than with it on. Thats the same thing i thought. ....Until i hoovered up %46 of the chassis with the shopvac. There's about 3 foot of brake line that has dissolved into nothing too. Edit: LightBulbFun; i'll do the glass etch thing sometime. If i don't re-use the bulb then i'll make sure you get first dibs and it's not going into the bin. theshadow, Shite Ron, stonedagain and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 In many ways, this car is a lot like the more exotic Fiat X19. Engine at the back, lightweight, dissolving... LightBulbFun, Shite Ron, stonedagain and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 I had one of those as well ? vulgalour, stonedagain and RobT 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 That's pretty much the same state the floor in KPL was in when she arrived in my garage... Which after ten minutes with a hammer looked like this. BlankFrank and timolloyd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 @BlankFrank I see XWC is showing as SORN once more, I assume then the V5 has finally arrived and you have SORNed her with it? BlankFrank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlankFrank Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 This week in XWC nooz: It thinks it's a Citroen... That whole crossmember will be replaced, the pic is to illustrate the severity of the current rust situation. (it happened while dragging it through my garage, wasn't intentional but i couldnt resist getting a pic of it like that) Got the rear-end bodywork off, then the side door-like panel. Separated the engine wiring from the body wiring and disconnected the drive shaft. Disconnected the clutch, gear shift connection, accelerator and choke cables then removed the engine. With the entire engine/drivetrain removed, that last wheel is still seized so it'll be the brakes or bearings on that side that's locked-up i'd say. Next job will be to clear all the misc crap out of the engine fan housing and see if it spins freely. The clutch arm on the old engine doesn't spring back but the cleaner looking spare (thanks again btw Egg ) seems to have a functional clutch and the engine spins freely on the spare too so i'll be relying on that to get the invacar running. @LBF, Yep all sorted there. dollywobbler, egg, 500tops and 11 others 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 yay happy to see more work being done towards her restoration/recommissioning, making good progress I hope the original engine is still good and all that, as it would be neat to see XWC retain her original engine if possible BlankFrank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Oof, that is somewhat crispy in places isn't it. Hopefully the repairs aren't too hideous. I guess at least there isn't a huge amount to the metalwork to begin with. I guess considering the age and storage conditions she hasn't done all that badly really to be honest despite the appearance. BlankFrank, egg and LightBulbFun 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 All good to see. This gasket set was in my watch list and may be of use... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NOS-Gasket-Set-Villiers-11E-197cc-t-s-FREE-UK-P-P/283491015918 BlankFrank, stonedagain and LightBulbFun 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 On 5/2/2020 at 12:59 AM, barrett said: Yes, it's Dublin in 1978, cropped from this photo, and there's definitely a Z in the reg somewhere! That is an evocative pic, can imagine the Invacar owner downing 6 pints of the dark stuff during the afternoon and then making his way home at 12 mph. In the dark. With no rear lights. Datsuncog, egg, Yoss and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulbFun Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: That is an evocative pic, can imagine the Invacar owner downing 6 pints of the dark stuff during the afternoon and then making his way home at 12 mph. In the dark. With no rear lights. there is a story somewhere of someone getting pull over by the police for drink driving in their invacar, only for the the police men ending up having to call in a senior police officer because none of the police men could figure out how to operate the invacar and its abnormal controls to recover it to the police station! BlankFrank and stonedagain 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Just noting from your reported location that you're apparently in Bucks...Not a million miles away from me. I may need to bring TPA over to visit at some point once we're allowed to do things like that again... BlankFrank and LightBulbFun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlankFrank Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 InvaUpdate: Lower fan cover removed, nothing visibly jamming it. The fan only has the slightest amount rotation but i'm not giving it any more than a finger-tight strength twisting for safety. Cleared it out and still not turning over. (surprise surprise) On the other end of spinny bits however, the driveshaft and what i'll call the large "final drive sprocket" are able to rotate about 30 degrees, a little more with some effort until i can get the chain-drive assembly (with driveshaft still attached) to rotate about 90 degrees in total. I found the chains removable link and popped it off, the chain was rusted to the final drive sprocket so tightly that i had to hammer it off with a rubber mallet. Once the chain was totally off i could rotate the driveshaft and final drive sprocket in its bearing fully, no grinding or binding up. Still aligned to the engines smaller output sprocket through its full rotation. With the chain off that allowed me to separate the engine from the engine mounting cradle thing: Black thing is the speedo cable, still need to get that out, it's being a b'stard. This Autoshite post sponsored by a can of PlusGas from the early 80's: ? On 5/18/2020 at 7:09 PM, egg said: All good to see. This gasket set was in my watch list and may be of use... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NOS-Gasket-Set-Villiers-11E-197cc-t-s-FREE-UK-P-P/283491015918 Added to my watch list. ? On 5/19/2020 at 1:30 AM, Zelandeth said: Just noting from your reported location that you're apparently in Bucks...Not a million miles away from me. I may need to bring TPA over to visit at some point once we're allowed to do things like that again... Fine with me, feel free to message me about it in a few months when it's viable. ? RayMK, Datsuncog, Yoss and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan_dyane Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Excellent work! Does the engine turn now you’ve freed it from that knackered chain? BlankFrank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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