catsinthewelder Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Dacia Denem. In the late 70's Dacia tried bringing it's 1300 to the UK but dreadful build quality and none existent parts supply saw the company tasked with selling them using up UK supplies of Renault 12 parts and embarking on ever more creative repairs using parts from all sorts of other cars before giving up. Undetered by this a chap tried importing the facelifted Dacia 1310 in the early 80's. He recognised the number was unappealing so renamed it the Denem and was rewarded with a trickle of sales. Spurred on by his success he imported the ARO 10 as well. To give more of a brand he renamed it the Dacia Duster. It continued on sale through the 80's alongside the 1310 pickup which he sold as the Dacia Shifter although the Denem was quickly dropped. A handful have survived, I think it's one Denem saloon, a couple of Shifter pickups and about 5 Dusters. The main reminder of this operation is that Dacia now make a 4x4 named the Duster with hundreds of thousands sold and not a penny of royalties paid to the chap who came up with the name. You are welcome to a pic of the 1310 me and Ian brought back last year. Seen here with Six Cylinders Oltcit GrumpiusMaximus, chaseracer, Squire_Dawson and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 VW K70, first of the water cooled? Which was really an NSU, but Volkswagen bought the bankrupt remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Dacia Denem. You are welcome to a pic of the 1310 me and Ian brought back last year. That's very acceptable, thank you alcyonecorporation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigstraight6 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 The glorious 1967-71 Austin 3 litre, take the body of a FWD Austin/Morris Landcrab and graft on longer front and rear wings and a longitudinal mounted C series Austin three litre engine driving the rear wheels. The resulting monstrosity was a disaster in its day with only 9992 being built over the 4 year run... DSdriver, inconsistant, chaseracer and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs6C Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Dacia Denem. In the late 70's Dacia tried bringing it's 1300 to the UK but dreadful build quality and none existent parts supply saw the company tasked with selling them using up UK supplies of Renault 12 parts and embarking on ever more creative repairs using parts from all sorts of other cars before giving up. Undetered by this a chap tried importing the facelifted Dacia 1310 in the early 80's. He recognised the number was unappealing so renamed it the Denem and was rewarded with a trickle of sales. Spurred on by his success he imported the ARO 10 as well. To give more of a brand he renamed it the Dacia Duster. It continued on sale through the 80's alongside the 1310 pickup which he sold as the Dacia Shifter although the Denem was quickly dropped. A handful have survived, I think it's one Denem saloon, a couple of Shifter pickups and about 5 Dusters. The main reminder of this operation is that Dacia now make a 4x4 named the Duster with hundreds of thousands sold and not a penny of royalties paid to the chap who came up with the name. You are welcome to a pic of the 1310 me and Ian brought back last year. Romanian Rides.jpg Seen here with Six Cylinders OltcitThree automotive unicorns is a row - a whole herd of them! catsinthewelder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-M Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Speaking of utter garbage that people have forgotten. Does anyone remember seeing 4 door Maserati Bi-turbo's?Mr B0LL0X has one. Mrs6C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs6C Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Citroen ZXs used to be very plentiful... still a few owned by AS folk (yes, me included) but suddenly not common in the wild. The 3-door for sale on AS at the moment is of particular rarity - I can't remember when I last saw one on the road. As a model, the ZXs are starting to turn up at classic car events, so I guess those that are left are starting to be appreciated. . The Citroen Xsara - essentially a ZX with new clothes on (or off, according to the adverts!) - seems to have vanished even faster. The only one I have seen lately belonged to a Citroen Car Club member and was at a CCC event, but I have not seen any others for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 The Citroen Xsara - essentially a ZX with new clothes on (or off, according to the adverts!) - seems to have vanished even faster. I'm not surprised. They were abysmal. Compared to a ZX they were smaller, less headroom (I can't even sit in the back of a hatchback one), rubbish styling (especially the facelift) with rot problems and staggeringly uncomfortable seats. I ran a 1.9TD Exclusive for just over a year. I had to jam a box between the back seat and my drivers seat for it to not give me backache. The best bit of the car was the engine, and the fact that it had working AC. Other than that it was pants. tonedepear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 The glorious 1967-71 Austin 3 litre, take the body of a FWD Austin/Morris Landcrab and graft on longer front and rear wings and a longitudinal mounted C series Austin three litre engine driving the rear wheels. The resulting monstrosity was a disaster in its day with only 9992 being built over the 4 year run... DF712C1B-CE36-403D-868B-28388EF14401.jpegYeah but look at it. Tell me you wouldn't be happy to see that on your drive? I know i would!! Amishtat, holbeck, DSdriver and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Does anyone have any suggestions for cars that were actually very good but had a fatal design flaw leading to them being massive failures?Lancia Gamma - running the power steering off the timing belt Lancia Beta Berlina - a rust trap in the rear (?) subframe Lotus Elite series 1 - ungalvanised chassis that lasted about 3 years NSU Ro80 - rotor tip mounts made from the same stuff as the actual tips so they wore each other out Talbot Tagora - badge Ford Sierra mk1 - styling Jaguar XK8 - plastic timing belt tensioners Aston Martin DB7 - Jaguar XK8 Mrs6C and catsinthewelder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holbeck Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 and a longitudinal mounted C series Austin three litre engine driving the rear wheels. Cough.... BMC era, but the C Series was developed by the Morris Engines branch at Courthouse Green Coventry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs6C Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Triumph Pony / Autocars Dragoon and derivatives...https://en-gb.facebook.com/triumph4wd/ A few decades ago, an old neighbour of my parents claimed to have known a man who bought up all the Triumph Pony vehicles from Triumph when they stopped using them as internal factory hacks. He was reputed to have destroyed all but one, in an effort to make the last one rare and thus 'valuable'. I never did get to the bottom of this story to find out if and how much of it was true, but that was my introduction to a vehicle that is, pretty much, a unicorn... The Standard Atlas is a rare beast too... as is any Standard Gazel outside (or indeed inside) its native India... Datsuncog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadhg Tiogar Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 ....NSU Ro80 - rotor tip mounts made from the same stuff as the actual tips so they wore each other out...Actually, they had carbon rotor tips to start with. They wore out prematurely and didn't react well to slogging in high gear at low revs. Then they tried coating the rotor chambers in Nikasil. That went well. (BMW made similar error about 20+ years later, so history does repeat itself) Then they came up with Ferrotic for the rotor tips and chrome chambers, which more or less solved the durability problem (as long as you used all of the three speeds properly). By this time it was 1972, and the reputation was already irretrievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorrisItalSLX Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Apparently, the cars were crushed because they'd stood for a year after production had been halted and Leyland didn't want (another) world of pain with warranty claims... and yes, many of them had failed QC, in fact at one point more failed than passed! All but 10 Force 7Vs were crushed, this was done (to my knowledge) to make the remaining cars more valuable when they were auctioned off by Leyland Australia. An interesting thing of note is the handbooks for the Force 7V had been printed before the plug was pulled. These handbooks somehow made there way into public hands and are quite valuable. I have a copy and it is very interesting to read about how to change bulbs in a car that was never produced. It is also believed that 2 of the upmarket Tour de Force prototypes survived, but this has never been confirmed. The only evidence of their existence are these 2 photos. Craig the Princess, LightBulbFun, Skizzer and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian_pt Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 In the UK, cars of which only one example is known - Dacia Denem, UK-market ARO 24, UK-market Moskvich 434 van (more, including pick-ups, may have been resent to Russia), Sao Penza, Portaro Pampas (though "example" is pushing it - it's a pile of rust in Scotland), UK-spec Opel Rekord van, Dacia Shifter dropside Fairthorpe Atom Major is on two, as is the Fairthorpe Atomota and the Tudor. Yugo Sanas are seriously endangered. The original Moskviches are also all very, very rare, particularly the commercial versions. Wartburgs marginally thicker on the ground. Early Zastavas? The first Daewoos must be getting there. Are original UK Polski-Fiats extinct (Not FSO - the first ones, before they changed the badging)? Fairhtorpe Atom is, as is (I think) the Lonsdale. A very niche one: UK-spec European cars from the 30s to the 70s. Was at a house the other day with an UK-market DKW from 1937, which must be extremely rare, and was shocked to see an original NI Opel Admiral the other year. My Saab 90 is common as muck by comparison - 11 others on the road, plus about twice as many Sorned and probably a few more in barns. Can't be many used as day to day cars, though. Happy to be proven wrong with tales of other survivors! Mrs6C, In The Pit, Skizzer and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramz7 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Someone I work with has the only known complete Fairthorpe TX. alcyonecorporation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
406V6 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 A good modernshite example is the Infiniti QX30. Built in Sunderland using a lot of Mercedes parts and been on sale here for a couple of years. Just 200 are registered on our roads. That’s an even more epic failure than the Tagora was back in the day and a total disaster for a UK-built volume car. I can't think of any UK built car from a volume maker that has sold worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_craig Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 How about unicorn variants? Along the lines of Mk1 Focus ST170 estate, which reputedly was never any more numerous in RHD form than a couple hundred examples and presumably a lot scarcer than that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Best I can offer is my first-series Alfa 33 Not only that, it's the range-topping Gold Cloverleaf with the trip computer of lies. Skizzer and Mrs6C 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HillmanImp Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 There's still one Seat Malaga XL on the roads according to HML. It may or may not be an import, we think the last UK one was stolen and scrapped about 10yrs ago but could be wrong as nobody seems to have spotted the one thats on the road AFAIK. Here's a potato quality photo of the one that was stolen from Leeds I know Nigel B has a GLX which doesn't show up on HML which is an import and was off the road last I heard a couple of years back after a cambelt snapped. Not sure what Dooovla recorded that as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcyonecorporation Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Daihatsu Applause? Come to think of it, anything Daihatsu is rare now. Scrapped one. Well, it went to a banger racer. Lots of emoticons and 'sutch a shaem' messages on social media, but no one wanted it. Needed approx £500-worth of work to scrape an MoT and I was skint. Peugeot 605 S1 - binned after a colossal number of time wasters. Got another one to repent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead_E23 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I haven't seen an Isuzu Piazza for quite some time. Concerning design flaws: the text book example is the radiator grille of the Ford Edsel, which was reminiscent of a 'lady's foo', thereby alienating purchasers who prefer their cars to resemble a giant winkie. cros and tonedepear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadhg Tiogar Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Best I can offer is my first-series Alfa 33 Not only that, it's the range-topping Gold Cloverleaf with the trip computer of lies. Alfa 75?Alfa 90? Mrs6C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Which was really an NSU, but Volkswagen bought the bankrupt remains. That's one way to look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevebrookman Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Someone (I forget who) has a A plate one if memory serves. I always wanted a later 3.0 24v version. It's me- And link http://autoshite.com/topic/26780-senator-still-hot-starting-problems/ Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs6C Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 First series of Fiat Panda, with the asymmetrical grille and the comprehensively configurable interior... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Renault Vel Satis - in close ratio 6 speed manual / 2 litre 16 valve turbo flavour. Stevebrookman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel bickle Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Good recall Mr Imp! I do have a Seat Malaga; now back on Belgian plates which is prob why it’s not showing. I do have a couple of U.K. registered Mk1 Ibiza’s,( both 1990) a recently collected Marbella and the 1430 Bocanegra midway thru a welding spree. doubleyeller and Skizzer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClutchBasketPodcast Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 You did have me beat on a few of these. Don't think I could have identified a Seat Malaga or a Fairthorpe TX before my education. Interesting on the QX30. I hadn't really considered any current/modern cars so good shout on that one. Immediately made me think of the Vel Satis and the Avantime. I am glad someone brought that up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClutchBasketPodcast Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Panda's got thin on the ground all of a sudden. Only a few years back I remember a fair few Marbellas rolling around but they have disappeared in quick order. A friend of mine had a world cup 90 Panda with the football wheel covers as his first car. Anyone remember seeing those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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