90's cars with no particular following

[egg]

Stupid question amnesty, please. Which cars(*) of the 90s actually do have a following?

 

Fair comment.

 

VW Golfs/Polo

E30 BMWs

Jag XJ40

Any Land Rover

Any Lotus

Any Porsche

Any Mini

Saab 900(0?)

Toyota Celica/Supra

Big Volvos in Scotlandshire

[Crooner]

I think that the 90's, was the first decade that cars had become 'white goods', so unless they were at the two extremes ( luxury / sporty, or expected to be terrible eastern block etc.) then they will slip under the radar, like your old Ferguson Videostar, Hoovermatic washer, Baxi boiler or Cannon misermatic gas fire. The 2000's and the 10's will be the same.

[sierraman]

In time it’ll follow. Like now all these KGF Classics bollocks are on to that timeless classic the Mondeo Mk1, when people are paying a trillion quid for one of those then people will start wanting to collect Vectras etc. There seems to be a bit of a correlation between value and a following, people start wanting them then the price goes up etc. Surely you want something absolutely worthless like an old Vectra, then you’ve a cheap hobby then, you could fill a field with them for a couple of grand. I’d be hoping that there’s not a big crowd following, when it’s just a few select nutcases following something. It’s too late with the Mondeo Mk1/2 for me, already the ‘old skool Ford’ idiots are on there charging like wounded rhinos for something that would be best used on the oval.

[mitsisigma01]

On the subject of vans ....

The Astramax , had many fun and games in them

[Rocket88]

I cannot agree with that statement at all. But maybe going diesel was my mistake.

 

My contribution to this thread is the Volkswagen Vento.

 

Omega diesel was not pleasant..pez ones are lovely..............

[lesapandre]

Fair comment.

 

VW Golfs/Polo

E30 BMWs

Jag XJ40

Any Land Rover

Any Lotus

Any Porsche

Any Mini

Saab 900(0?)

Toyota Celica/Supra

Big Volvos in Scotlandshire

Can I add the W124 Mercedes. Values are going up as the supply thins. But enough cars survive to have real following. Quite a lot of enthusiast owners now. In production to '95.

[clayts450]

Cannon misermatic gas fire.

 

Liked for this - everyone in my family seemingly had one of these

[John F]

Junkman, on 07 Jan 2019 - 10:39 AM, said:

Stupid question. Which cars(*) of the 90s actually do have a following?

 

FTFY.

 

As well as the above there are sporty Cavaliers (Turbo, GSi, SRi), Volkswagen T4, Audi S2, Audi S4 (based on Audi 100), E36 BMW (various models inc. M3), Mitsubishi Lancer Evo, Nissan Figaro, Jaguar XJ220, Maserati Ghibli, Renault Twingo, Subaru Impreza, Nissan Stagea, Citroen Saxo, TVR Chimaera / Cerbera, etc. etc.

 

In fact, I suspect it was a troll comment because "there were no good cars made after 1986, hur hur". Well, there were.

[Rusty_Rocket]

90s cars are great.  Just the right amount of technology, performance and reliability.  Forget anything made after and anything made before will have you lying outside on your arse fixing it on a rainy Sunday night.  (and I say that as someone who drives a 1982 car every day).

 

It's a crime that 90s cars are still worthless.  They're the sweet spot of automotive history, for me anyway

[egg]

Wobbler refers to 90's as 'peak car' in his review of my Mondeo, I cannot disagree.

[John F]

Lots of 90s cars are far from worthless... try finding a cheap early Impreza or Evo, or even a Cavalier Turbo.

 

I was browsing eBay the other day & got a real surprise at how expensive early Lotus M100 Elans and Elises have become.

[AMC Rebel]

Omega diesel was not pleasant..pez ones are lovely..............

 

Indeed - the cops seemed to think they drove OK.

[AMC Rebel]

Stupid question amnesty,

 

I see (and respect) what you did there.

[Junkman]

FTFY.

 

As well as the above there are sporty Cavaliers (Turbo, GSi, SRi), Volkswagen T4, Audi S2, Audi S4 (based on Audi 100), E36 BMW (various models inc. M3), Mitsubishi Lancer Evo, Nissan Figaro, Jaguar XJ220, Maserati Ghibli, Renault Twingo, Subaru Impreza, Nissan Stagea, Citroen Saxo, TVR Chimaera / Cerbera, etc. etc.

 

In fact, I suspect it was a troll comment because "there were no good cars made after 1986, hur hur". Well, there were.

 

Contrary to cars that have a following, my impression is that all of the above are now last owner use up cars. "Cheap fun", you know.

It was not meant as a troll comment at all, to the contrary. My fear is that running 90s cars into the ground is still in full swing and the already immense attrition rate is still increasing because nobody seriously starts to put them into preservation.

How many people do you think are out there who are willing to fund seriously four digit repair and mild restoration bills for 90s chod, like I now did repeatedly with my own 90s cars?

Despite I'm seriously tempted to get personally here, like you did, I restrain myself to merely have you know that many people have yet to piss where I shat already.

[John F]

Meh. That happened to '80s cars too, with possibly the only difference being that perhaps the '80s cars broke more quickly & ended up getting shoved in garages & barns. The X-reg. XR3 that was at Shitefest '13 is a good example.

 

And I don't agree that the models I listed are necessarily last-owner pre-cube motors. Not at all. There are loads of tidy ones out there owned by enthusiasts and/or for sale. IMO 90s cars were generally very well built & reliable in comparison with equivalent 70s and 80s cars, and even many 2000s cars.

 

LOL... I've just seen the sentence you added to your last comment. I think you're mistaking my reluctance to endure a supercilious and condescending tone from some Internet randomer for a personal attack

[lesapandre]

For cars on the endangered list...do the MK2 MR2's have any following much or getting restored or tucked up in nice garages?

[fordperv]

I have noticed Mk5 and 6 rs2000 are getting scene tax added to them now and the lesser models are slowly creeping up

[Junkman]

Here is a very, very typical example.
 
 

Blimey - £150 for a V6 2.0 75 Conny SE with High Line - no ticket, in Letchworth, no reg plate showing
 
Needs bought asap
 
EDIT MAYBE NOT : V373HEV
 

 
https://www.gumtree.com/p/rover/rover-75-v6-connoisseur-se.-no-mot-but-driveable./1325870930

Sold on Ebay for £205 in November by the same seller. The words 'Rat' & 'Smell' strangely spring to mind..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/rover-75-connoisseur-1999-2-0l-v6-auto-99p-no-reserve-/292803528775?nma=true&si=Vn8kc0c69lPR3VkMOJEqyIwLles%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Good detective work sir, and handily a reg too with some base64 decoding : V373HEV

Date tested31 October 2018 FAIL


Mileage175,697 miles
MOT test number7814 3216 5913




Test location View test location




Repair immediately (major defects):

• Nearside Rear Anti-roll bar linkage ball joint dust cover no longer prevents the ingress of dirt (5.3.4 ( (ii))
• Offside Rear Anti-roll bar linkage ball joint dust cover no longer prevents the ingress of dirt (5.3.4 ( (ii))
• Offside Front Brake pipe excessively corroded (1.1.11 ©)
• Oil leaking excessively from engine (8.4.1 (a) (i))

Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):

• Front Registration plate deteriorated but not likely to be misread (0.1 ( )
• nsr tyre worn close to limit outer edge approx. 2mm
• Nearside Rear Sub-frame pin or bush worn but not resulting in excessive movement axle bush (5.3.4 (a) (i))
• Offside Rear Sub-frame pin or bush worn but not resulting in excessive movement axle bush (5.3.4 (a) (i))

The car has reached this extremely dangerous age that most 90s to early Noughties cars have reached now. It can be bought for very little money, but if it is supposed to seriously grow old, it requires a substantial investment straight away. Bodge repairs on the cheap will not help, this needs to be done properly and if serious preservation is desired, one would have to do a lot more to it than merely fix the immediate defects. It needs mechanical work, cosmetic work and interior work. Tucking the car away and deferring those bills will have no other effect than making them a lot higher at a later time. There are only very few people out there who are idealistic and enthusiastic enough to actually clap together their arse cheeks and pull out the debit card, fully aware that there won't be a ROI for a long time, if ever. At the same time, there are fewer and fewer garages that want to carry out such work, let alone understand the desire to have this work done to tip top standard. At least that's the experience I have when I want such work done on my worthless chod.

[tooSavvy]

Junkman: Investing.....

 

I doubled my wallet hit by splurging £350 on *dampers on my £350 ToMM.

 

*ok... Seriously expect a 15yr r.o.i

 

[lesapandre]

Here is a very, very typical example.

 

 

 

 

 

The car has reached this extremely dangerous age that most 90s to early Noughties cars have reached now. It can be bought for very little money, but if it is supposed to seriously grow old, it requires a substantial investment straight away. Bodge repairs on the cheap will not help, this needs to be done properly and if serious preservation is desired, one would have to do a lot more to it than merely fix the immediate defects. It needs mechanical work, cosmetic work and interior work. Tucking the car away and deferring those bills will have no other effect than making them a lot higher at a later time. There are only very few people out there who are idealistic and enthusiastic enough to actually clap together their arse cheeks and pull out the debit card, fully aware that there won't be a ROI for a long time, if ever. At the same time, there are fewer and fewer garages that want to carry out such work, let alone understand the desire to have this work done to tip top standard. At least that's the experience I have when I want such work done on my worthless chod.

Very well put. For some it is the cost of getting those complex jobs done because if we are really going to dig into the car you need space and time and maybe an understanding family. A lot of new housing estates and older places just dont have the room. So you end up farming work out - and especially here in London people just don't want to do the work because it clutters up the workshop when more cost effective jobs can be done. Then there is the cost. The guy who welds for me turns away a lot of work these days including some of mine...sob.

[John F]

Junkman, on 07 Jan 2019 - 1:36 PM, said:

Here is a very, very typical example.

 

 

 

 

 

The car has reached this extremely dangerous age that most 90s to early Noughties cars have reached now. It can be bought for very little money, but if it is supposed to seriously grow old, it requires a substantial investment straight away. Bodge repairs on the cheap will not help, this needs to be done properly and if serious preservation is desired, one would have to do a lot more to it than merely fix the immediate defects. It needs mechanical work, cosmetic work and interior work. Tucking the car away and deferring those bills will have no other effect than making them a lot higher at a later time. There are only very few people out there who are idealistic and enthusiastic enough to actually clap together their arse cheeks and pull out the debit card, fully aware that there won't be a ROI for a long time, if ever. At the same time, there are fewer and fewer garages that want to carry out such work, let alone understand the desire to have this work done to tip top standard. At least that's the experience I have when I want such work done on my worthless chod.

 

A Rover? lol.

 

A niche brand, little different from Austin in the 1970s. Viewed as 'old people's cars', no sports pedigree to speak of*, unlikely to attract a following outside of these hallowed pages and other 'specialists'.

 

Now, about all those other 90s cars...

 

*except Mini and a very few other exceptions

[John F]

For cars on the endangered list...do the MK2 MR2's have any following much or getting restored or tucked up in nice garages?

 

Yep, I suspect that all MR2s will eventually have a staunch following.

[egg]

Very well put. For some it is the cost of getting those complex jobs done because if we are really going to dig into the car you need space and time and maybe an understanding family. A lot of new housing estates and older places just dont have the room. So you end up farming work out - and especially here in London people just don't want to do the work because it clutters up the workshop when more cost effective jobs can be done. Then there is the cost. The guy who welds for me turns away a lot of work these days including some of mine...sob.

 

This. I've stopped adding up the Mondeo £. It's hilarious*.

 

But, then - if you're not improving an old car, it's deteriorating, entropy innit.

[sierraman]

Theres plenty of tidy old Rover 75’s about that fiscally speaking it makes no sense chucking hundreds at a clapped out one. Better to use it for parts.

[Rusty_Rocket]

I hope 90s stuff will appreciate...

 

I bought this 1990 Eunos on 2/1/18 and hope it will be worth more in the summer 

 

NSF by David James, on Flickr

[DodgyBastard]

Grand job on the Visa Mr Knight, I have yet to read the ending though .

What became of the blue Sigma , did it end up at auction if so any idea who bought it ?

I swapped the sigma with nisfan, he sent it off to auction, I don't know what happened with it after that.

 

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[Matty]

90s cars are great. Just the right amount of technology, performance and reliability. Forget anything made after and anything made before will have you lying outside on your arse fixing it on a rainy Sunday night. (and I say that as someone who drives a 1982 car every day).

 

It's a crime that 90s cars are still worthless. They're the sweet spot of automotive history, for me anyway

This plus eleventy million. Eggs comment too! Through ownership experience, cars both older (hideous rot) and newer (complexity and cost of spares) the 90s was very definitely peak car (copyrite DW). In an effort to fend off the brick bats loads of nice stuff before and since, but the 90s seemed a period in time where making a car had been perfected over previous decades but not over complicated yet.

[sierraman]

I don’t know, people complained bitterly at the time about complexities of timing belt changes on twin cams, fuel injection you couldn’t adjust, catalysts, diagnostics you wouldn’t have the kit for, clutch jobs requiring at least 4 or 5 hours labour, expensive low profile tyres, difficulties in obtaining expensive 5w30 oil outside the Ford network etc etc...

[Rusty_Rocket]

They did, but soon learnt new skills and adapted. Now, when a flippin' battery needs coding to a car, (and there's not an easy work around) I can see people just giving up and scrapping 2010+ cars for the most minor of issues.

[Ghosty]

Proton Personas.