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Good.  I thought it was going to be 1/2" diameter, so it can be formed from 1/2" bar.

 Not sure on the length of shoulder.  Assuming it was all Imperial, 3.57" = 9/64".    Could you double check that?   Any point in making it longer- I had guessed that it was 3.9mm = 5/32."

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3.9mm leaves a fractional amount of play between the lip and the feeler gauge - though I've just taken a look at a spare drum and the depth of the shoulder could easily be a little larger.

The depth of the face of the drum is 5.4mm on the nose (0.2125" - sorry, this thing doesn't do fractions!), so your suggested value should be fine.

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While waiting for the material I thought I would experiment with what was available, and 1/2" S quality high tensile bolts are pretty much the right stuff.

Basically you cut a piece of bar, chuck it, face it, reduce one end to size and thread it BSF, then make a chucking piece with the same thread, screw the job into it, and it will run true while you repeat the process for the other end with a UNF thread.  And you work out the dimensions so that the shoulder comes out at the right length.  The chucking piece of course can be used again.  The turning tool has a small radius ground on the tip to avoid a sharp corner where the turned part meets the shoulder, as this could be a stress raiser.    The material is tough and is about at the limit of what you can comfortably thread by hand - quite hard work, and you have to think about wear and tear on the dies as well as yourself.   Altogether I think there are about 10 separate operations.  

The first one took 3 hours including the chucking piece.  I have now got it down to about an hour, and I doubt if it can be done much faster with this sort of basic equipment.   I haven't tried to break one yet.  

I hope this illustrates two things.   One is that clearly it isn't a commercial proposition on a small scale.  The other is that it is possible to make some of these unavailable parts if you go the right way about it.

 

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Certainly looks convincing!   It's a set of high tensile bolts threaded into the inner thread that I've been using here so far (aside from the one which had to be drilled out larger, which has a standard metric wheel bolt in), so material should be up to the job.  The original ones really do seem very soft.

Tap and die quality varies massively these days it seems too - that was one of the big headaches I wound up facing when I first tried to thread the hole where I'd drilled out the broken stud.  It turned out the hub was harder than my tap!  The second one got about 1/2 way through then snapped.  Third one which I went out of my way to make sure was from a reputable brand worked perfectly.  But by that point I'd already had to drill things further than I'd have liked.

I guess before you go any further it would make sense to test fit one to confirm that in the intervening couple of years that we haven't fudged up the thread sizes involved.  It would be beyond frustrating to have made a bunch of them and then discover I'd fouled up the measurements.  

I would definitely be interested in a few and obviously making a decent contribution towards your time & materials - I'd absolutely not be expecting to offer you something insulting like £10 each for these. 

How many?  Well I'm hoping that secondhand hub turns out to be available, which definitely needs two replaced.  While I have it off the car it feels kind of daft not to replace them all with ones made of actual high tensile steel rather than cheese anyway.  I know the ones on my other wheel don't look to be in 100% health either, so would probably be looking to replace those somewhere down the line.  Up front at least I do have a complete NOS hub assembly so don't need to worry about that.

So I'd really like to eventually put an order in for eight once we've confirmed the dimensions etc are all correct.

This once again shows how bloody useful a tool to have a lathe and the knowhow to make use of it is.

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4 hours ago, Mr Pastry said:

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thats some very awesome work! it certainly looks the part! :) 

Thank you very much for putting in the effort to help the cause of the Invacar! :) 

16 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

Certainly looks convincing!   It's a set of high tensile bolts threaded into the inner thread that I've been using here so far (aside from the one which had to be drilled out larger, which has a standard metric wheel bolt in), so material should be up to the job.  The original ones really do seem very soft.

Tap and die quality varies massively these days it seems too - that was one of the big headaches I wound up facing when I first tried to thread the hole where I'd drilled out the broken stud.  It turned out the hub was harder than my tap!  The second one got about 1/2 way through then snapped.  Third one which I went out of my way to make sure was from a reputable brand worked perfectly.  But by that point I'd already had to drill things further than I'd have liked.

I guess before you go any further it would make sense to test fit one to confirm that in the intervening couple of years that we haven't fudged up the thread sizes involved.  It would be beyond frustrating to have made a bunch of them and then discover I'd fouled up the measurements.  

I would definitely be interested in a few and obviously making a decent contribution towards your time & materials - I'd absolutely not be expecting to offer you something insulting like £10 each for these. 

How many?  Well I'm hoping that secondhand hub turns out to be available, which definitely needs two replaced.  While I have it off the car it feels kind of daft not to replace them all with ones made of actual high tensile steel rather than cheese anyway.  I know the ones on my other wheel don't look to be in 100% health either, so would probably be looking to replace those somewhere down the line.  Up front at least I do have a complete NOS hub assembly so don't need to worry about that.

So I'd really like to eventually put an order in for eight once we've confirmed the dimensions etc are all correct.

This once again shows how bloody useful a tool to have a lathe and the knowhow to make use of it is.

im pretty positive they are 3/8th BSF hub side as per your post from a few years ago! but as you say would not be a bad idea to test fit the one already produced before commencing with any others! (and wheel side is just standard classic Mini which is from what I have researched is 3/8th UNF)

On 30/11/2019 at 23:27, Zelandeth said:

This afternoon an envelope containing four 3/8" BSF bolts dropped through my door. 

The big question of course was whether they would fit the hub of the Invacar.

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Finally!  I can now confirm that the threads in the hub are 3/8" BSF.

BTW has anyone figured out how to get the remains of a broken stud removed from the hub in the first place? 

im thinking given how many of these we have seen snapped im more then happy to pay for a bunch to be made for the parts stash just in general but I am first of all wondering if the hubs with the broken studs are indeed salvageable or not?

 

 

and obviously depending on if @Mr Pastry is alright with making a few more! I can completely understand if he only wants to make the 4 or 8 for Zel and just be done with that as its clearly not an 5 minute job! 

 

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25 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

thats some very awesome work! it certainly looks the part! :) 

Thank you very much for putting in the effort to help the cause of the Invacar! :) 

im pretty positive they are 3/8th BSF hub side as per your post from a few years ago! but as you say would not be a bad idea to test fit the one already produced before commencing with any others! (and wheel side is just standard classic Mini which is from what I have researched is 3/8th UNF)

BTW has anyone figured out how to get the remains of a broken stud removed from the hub in the first place? 

im thinking given how many of these we have seen snapped im more then happy to pay for a bunch to be made for the parts stash just in general but I am first of all wondering if the hubs with the broken studs are indeed salvageable or not?

 

 

and obviously depending on if @Mr Pastry is alright with making a few more! I can completely understand if he only wants to make the 4 or 8 for Zel and just be done with that as its clearly not an 5 minute job! 

 

Getting the old ones out basically involved locking two wheel nuts together and unbolting them.  There's a little blob of weld tacked on the inside of the hub that needs to be cracked off first.  Now I know that it's something I'd do with the hub off the car (which I've always resisted doing given how much of a song and dance the manuals make about setting the wheel bearing preload), would be a simple matter of buzzing that off with the grinder.  

Three of my four came out pretty easily, however there was one which just kept snapping closer and closer to the hub eventually ending up totally flush to it.  Which is the one I drilled out - made a meal of and wound up having to drill oversize, tap, had the tap mess up the threads, drill out again and retap...

With the hub off the car it shouldn't be a difficult job.  To be fair 99.9% of the headaches I had were because I was trying to do the work in situ.  That was an absolutely bloody stupid idea, I should have just taken the damned hub off.

If there wasn't anything to grip on the front of the hub I imagine you could grind a slot in the back of the stud then whack it with an impact driver that way.

Question to those who know more about metallurgy than me: The original studs had a weld tack applied to the back of the hub to lock them in place.  Is this likely to weaken the metal of the stud?  Or would modern thread locking compounds be a more sensible route?  That's an area where things have moved on a lot since the early 70s.

 

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@Zelandeth  I was going to suggest that I sent a sample over to you for a trial fit.  The UNF thread is good in a wheel nut, but I am concerned about the fit in the hub as it is anyone's guess what they actually did, and it may not be the same as a normal BSF nut.

I need to play with the proper material when it arrives and see how it machines before going any further.   At the moment 8 feels like a good place to stop, but let's see how it goes.   Might manage more later perhaps, but if @LightBulbFunwants them for his general parts stock, and they find their way to the general public, then there is possibly a liability issue.

I think you could safely use thread locking fluid to retain the studs in the hub, but it needs a bit more research as there are several different grades.   It is weakened by heat, but probably hotter than brakes usually get.   I think it is used on some modern brake disc bolts, for example.

 

 

 

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Just a small update and thoughts. 

I have now tried making the studs in EN16T which I believe to be the "best" material.  It is as tough as old boots, and as expected, is an absolute xxxx to thread manually.   My gut feeling is that it is stronger than it needs to be for a light vehicle.  I think it is worth looking at a softer material which would be easier to work with, but strong enough, subject to testing.   It would be interesting to know what the original material was and if the AC drawings ever turn up, we might find out.

@ZelandethWould you like a sample now to trial fit, or would you prefer to wait until you have a spare hub available?

@LightBulbFunRe. making some for stock, this would tie up a lot of your money as they would not sell quickly, and as already indicated they are not going to be cheap.   A lot of enthusiasts would be sniffy about paying a fiver each, ask me how I know.

Typically, what happens is you identify a part which everybody "wants," get a batch made, announce that you have done it, and everybody goes - "Oh - those are back in stock now - jolly good - that will be handy if I ever need one -" and that is as far as you get.  Nobody puts their hand in their pocket to support you.

Your best policy with things like this is to get them made to order as required, which I might be prepared to do if we can get the design right.  And I will gladly do you a fair copy of the drawing so that you can investigate other suppliers.   They may respond differently to a drawing than a sample,  

Thank you all for your positive reactions and comments.  I think there are many other machinists on the forum who could do it better than I can.  For some strange reason they are all keeping their heads down! 

 

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1 hour ago, Mr Pastry said:

Just a small update and thoughts. 

I have now tried making the studs in EN16T which I believe to be the "best" material.  It is as tough as old boots, and as expected, is an absolute xxxx to thread manually.   My gut feeling is that it is stronger than it needs to be for a light vehicle.  I think it is worth looking at a softer material which would be easier to work with, but strong enough, subject to testing.   It would be interesting to know what the original material was and if the AC drawings ever turn up, we might find out.

@ZelandethWould you like a sample now to trial fit, or would you prefer to wait until you have a spare hub available?

@LightBulbFunRe. making some for stock, this would tie up a lot of your money as they would not sell quickly, and as already indicated they are not going to be cheap.   A lot of enthusiasts would be sniffy about paying a fiver each, ask me how I know.

Typically, what happens is you identify a part which everybody "wants," get a batch made, announce that you have done it, and everybody goes - "Oh - those are back in stock now - jolly good - that will be handy if I ever need one -" and that is as far as you get.  Nobody puts their hand in their pocket to support you.

Your best policy with things like this is to get them made to order as required, which I might be prepared to do if we can get the design right.  And I will gladly do you a fair copy of the drawing so that you can investigate other suppliers.   They may respond differently to a drawing than a sample,  

Thank you all for your positive reactions and comments.  I think there are many other machinists on the forum who could do it better than I can.  For some strange reason they are all keeping their heads down! 

 

Oh when I mean for the spares stash, I mean that when I got my Car it came with a large parts stash that I use to keep the mine, and  the forum cars going (or attempt to!) and I was just thinking of getting a few made to chuck in there

should any (more) studs snap on our collective Model 70's thats all :) im not thinking about the public here, im just thinking towards the future on here, so, if say your making 8 for Zel I am happy to pay for another 8 on top of that 

but obviously if its too much faff or such then thats perfectly understandable! I can understand how you might run out of enthusiasm for doing more after doing just a few given how effort is involved!

and I think the spare hub @AdgeCutler has offered up has a couple good studs at least so they can be pinched from that if needed! and as you say we have the drawing you made now which can be handed to to other fabrication firms/people in the future if needed :)

anyways before I get too far ahead of myself, lets see how the test samples fit for Zel :) 

 

 

full Model 70 technical drawings/blueprints do thankfully survive and I know exactly who has them but knowing who has them very frustratingly means I dont think we will see anything any time soon because of who has them!, I am just hoping at some point I can visit in person borrow them and take them to Zel to be digitised!

the wheel studs are TSD 5446 drawn/made by by AC Cars Ltd on the 30th of the 12th 1975 (date  is quite interesting in itself because it tells me they revised the wheel studs at that point during the Model 70 production run and retroactively applied to to all cars, I wonder what changed!)

 

as a side note one interesting thing I have noticed is, all 12 wheel studs on a Model 70 are the same, but it seems to be always the rear ones that are snapped, I dont think I have seen a front one snapped one, so I wonder why that is?

it it simply easier to over-tighten the rear wheels since theres no front bodywork in the way or is it something else?

 

1 hour ago, Talbot said:

You are This Old Tony AICMFP

I was thinking "you are @AdgeCutler AICMFP" given the level of Invacar parts fabrication that just happened :mrgreen:

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I think @AdgeCutlerknows exactly how to do this.

It would be very interesting to see the AC drawing - why are you Invacar peeps so secretive about anything?   Shouldn't you be helping each other?   

As you say I think the bodywork inhibits over-tightening of the front wheel, and maybe the rear end needs more attention.

Anyway, a test result - not very scientific but useful.

Not having an Invacar around the place (thankfully) I held a standard BSF nut horizontally in the vice, screwed an S quality stud in, added a UNF wheel nut to the top end and applied torque wrench gradually.  

Everything felt fine at about 30 ft/lbs, and the nuts bottomed onto the shoulders.  Beyond 40 ft/lbs the stud gradually pulled out of the BSF nut, destroying the threads on the nut in the process.  There was no apparent damage to either end of the stud, or the wheel nut.  The thread in the hub flange is probably stronger than a standard nut as the material will be different.

Anyway I am confident that my thread cutting and dimensions are okay, and that the stud isn't going to break, but it needs trying in an actual hub, and as said I think a softer stud material should also be tried. 

 

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Looks like the Hammond Collection Catalog is up! @egg @barrett @Zelandeth

https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/e52841f4a9b47c27c356c4c77c9ebfef/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/the-hammond-microcar-museum-kent-auction-online-only--vi/?iFrameView=1&currentPage=1&maxResults=120

looks like they have separated and itemised everything pretty well, so the Steyr puch engine is available on its own, along with a Model 70 Gearbox and a Dynastart unit or 3, but of course they still missed the Model 70 exhaust hanging from the roof! LOL

someone who I consider to be a good home for these things has expressed interest in the AC Acedes so I am quite pleased about that :) 

 

 

also for @barrett any clue as to what the hell this might be? :) (the eBay listing makes claims, but its clear from their facebook post that they have no clue themselves!)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255729885747

https://www.facebook.com/dentdevilseastsussex/posts/pfbid02Ts7u91hiQXXnW8uGBAgc1yH43sVLYKLLGoCN1GqGE4qzH5nvJkAKkrtC14Xf9Upkl

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999BPF puts it at around August 1956 if that registration mark has any actual bearing to the machine!

 

 

also speaking of mystery invalid three wheelers! one for @MorrisItalSLX any idea as to what these might be? :) 

https://www.superstock.com/asset/chair-cripple-crippled-pensioner-buy-motorised-wheelchair-given-sunday-sun/5513-17626911

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its a really strange contraption, its giving me French/European vibes but thats just vibes, I have never seen a Motorised machine with a hand propulsion crank like that, its like its one half of the mechanism from a Harding Rideinease! 

 

theres also a couple here as well https://www.superstock.com/asset/wheelchairs-hospitals-february/5513-17626908

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its also quite interesting in general to see Invalid carriages like this in Australia, I know New Zealand had a few, but I had never seen much like this in Oz so its very cool to see that they did indeed exist over there and that they where even road registered!

 

also bonus really old school Invalid vehicles and buses shot :) 

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17 minutes ago, egg said:

Thanks for head's up. Exhaust part of lot 95?

so it is! quite a large stash of Model 70 bits in-fact! somehow I completely missed that! although I do wonder if thats is the roof exhaust or just another one they happen to have, they have a complete 2nd engine and far more Invacar parts then I realised

(stuart told me a while back that they sold off all their Model 70 bits a long time ago, I guess few managed to hang around!)

 

is anyone going for it? I dont have the physical means to grab the lot, but I am more than happy to throw money at a combined effort!

for example if @Zelandeth is indeed planning on bidding on one of the Steyr puch engines? I am happy to throw some money his way so he can secure the rest of the Model 70 bits for the Parts stash(TM) 

(for example that Fuel tank, looks just the ticket for @Mrs6C's Model 70 :) and the gearbox could be good for @dollywobbler )  

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I'll need to take a look at the catalogue to confirm what I'd be after, but that engine definitely would be of interest for spares.  I'm certainly happy to assist in collecting stuff within the confines of what can fit in the back of a VW Caddy!

 

Regarding the studs, I'm certainly happy to test one out, I'll literally just be unscrewing a bolt, screwing the stud in and putting the correct wheel nut back on, so there's no huge operation involved.

Happy to send you the remains of that mangled one to see if you can figure out what it's made of - though if it's already tougher than the wheel nuts that's already better than the originals I reckon.

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2 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

also for @barrett any clue as to what the hell this might be? :) (the eBay listing makes claims, but its clear from their facebook post that they have no clue themselves!)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255729885747

https://www.facebook.com/dentdevilseastsussex/posts/pfbid02Ts7u91hiQXXnW8uGBAgc1yH43sVLYKLLGoCN1GqGE4qzH5nvJkAKkrtC14Xf9Upkl

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Ebay listing has ended, but if it's still available am happy to go and have a look at it next week for anyone interested. You'd have to let me know what you want to find out though.

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10 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

Regarding the studs, I'm certainly happy to test one out, I'll literally just be unscrewing a bolt, screwing the stud in and putting the correct wheel nut back on, so there's no huge operation involved.

If you can PM me an address, I will put one in the post - might even be able to spare two.   There is not likely to be any trouble with the wheel nut side.  My concern is that if the nut or stud is overtightened - you wouldn't but somebody else might - it will pull the thread out of the hub, as happened with the test piece.  In that scenario it would be better to have a softer stud, so that the stud failed before the hub.   That said, the studs are a similar material to your bolts so it shouldn't be a problem.   What torque are you using on the bolts, or are you just feeling them up?

I have no way of analysing the old stud material properly, so probably better that you hang onto it.

 

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53 minutes ago, JJ0063 said:

What’s the latest on yours @LightBulbFun? I can’t keep up with this thread 

Good Question I wish I knew myself LOL

im not sure how far behind you are, but things are still as they where in this post 

On 08/09/2022 at 18:59, LightBulbFun said:

I dont really know what the general status of things is currently sadly!

 

 theres a few good things I know Red5 has sorted :), but theres  lso a fair amount things I know she could do with doing and have asked about, or Red5 said would be done, but which I have yet to get any confirmation if they had been done, or where still waiting in the queue, or  in need of something or another, which has above left me quite in the dark

but I know also Red5 has had to deal with a few things on his own end, so thats obviously taken priority and pushed REV back, 

 

I will admit I am starting to get a bit fidgety as her everything expires on the 1st of October so I really do need to know if she will be staying a few more months at university and thus I should declare her SORN (and save on the insurance/parking permits in the time being), or if she will be ready soon and thus renew everything as required (or such if Red5 still needs me to keep her Taxed and insured) and im still waiting to hear back on that 

but again due to the fact I know Red5 has been busy with other things im not sure he knows himself sadly

 

but as you say @red5 has still done a fair bit! so hopefully theres not too much more to go :) 

I know he was able to get the brakes working good, which is the primary reason she went up there (although im still waiting to hear what state the actual hardware is in, being single circuit brakes I want to make sure nothing is about to burst on me!)

and he has been sorting the whole carburettor woes which I know have been a major PITA for him! 

and he got the mechanical fuel pump working :) which you can read about here https://autoshite.com/topic/48690-fun-in-the-bath/

and last I heard he has been sorting out the choke and throttle cable, so things are happening :) 

 

(and there where a few other things he mentioned he would be doing, but as above I dont know what the status is on those)

 

so yeah thats why theres not been any posts on REV as I have not had much to report and I so I have just been keeping quiet and trusting in Red5 :) 

 

 

so sadly I still have no real progress update from the last on August the 3rd when I was informed the throttle and choke cables where being fettled

after that post was made, @red5 PM'ed to inform me that on the 14th a whole day would be dedicated to her and that id get a decent update then, but I have not heard anything since sadly, so I dont know if she got her day or not!

I know Red5 has not had much luck this year so maybe all that is still wrecking havoc on his end

 

thankfully at least my insurance renewal came out to be much cheaper this year then I was expecting :) so I have just gone ahead and renewed everything, even tho I dont know whats happening at all!  I figured it was cheap enough now thats its not worth the hassle of not just renewing it when and as needed if that makes sense! 

 

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so my 10000th post on here! to celebrate this! I have been holding a couple very special new survivors that cropped up recently, for this occasion :) 

this first up is this Invacar Mk12E, Which Simon of the ICR got earlier this year! and a nice intact Invacar Mk12 like this is itself a very nice find!

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but what makes this special is not only does not have foot pedals! which is highly unusual for an Invacar Mk12E! (always knew it was an option but never see a vehicle such equipped until this one) it has a fixed tiller bar with foot operated clutch and brake 

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and not only the fact is it GVW575H which is one I had been chasing up for a long time, but it turns out its a private example! and really quite excitingly it came with its original buff logbook which was very interesting to study! its the first Invacar Mk12 buff Logbook I have ever seen!

it was first registered to Invacar Ltd for 2 months before being registered to a Women all the way up in Aberdeenshire! (presumably this is the person who purchased it) it has a an unladen weight listed as 6Cwt which lines up with the 305Kg you will see listed on a Mk12E's V5 :) 

but yeah its really awesome to see that another private Mk12 has been found and saved and to finally find out that yes indeed GVW575H does actually exist! (I had no idea it was a private car, just one I had heard rumblings about but nothing concrete)

I sadly dont know its full story but at some point it was bought as a pair by someone, one (Unknown type but not the trailer I have now!) was turned into a trailer and this one GVW575H was just stashed away until it was finally sold to Simon!

the really curious thing is this Mk12E, GVW575H has only done about 165 miles!  I really do wonder what happened as to such that someone would spend good money buying themselves an Invacar and only to 165 miles in it!

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sadly I dont have any better pictures of it! but hopefully in time ill get some! in that I very much want to visit Simons collection (and Simon very much wants me to visit as well) so the plan is when REV is back on the road and reliable, to run up to his place and have a good look at his collection and grab a whole bunch of pictures,

the next Car and this is where it gets really exciting! 

is this one!

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you might think it looks familiar indeed it is the Mystery Model 70 from a good few years ago!

On 01/07/2019 at 15:03, LightBulbFun said:

heres one in the US somewhere, sadly not sure which one this is, or where/who owns it exactly https://www.instagram.com/p/BXtzKt4l3ye/

 

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I have been wondering about this one for a long time since I first found it, no one had a clue as to which it was, not even one Stuart recognised or anything!

and I finally tracked down who it ended up with! and indeed it something quite special!

turns out that REV is not alone! there is indeed another private Invacar Model 70 out there! this is Private Car number 7 it turns out! :) 

its really exciting to see! as until now, It was generally thought REV was the only private Invacar Model 70 known to still survive (JHJ548N was taxed until 2008 and had a keeper change in 09 so I really hope that one is still out there somewhere, but I have never been able to verify it sadly)

so its really awesome to see there is another out there!, the story behind it is interesting! im still getting the info and putting the puzzle together but apparently it was bought by a lady in England who took it with her when she moved to the States in the late 1970's! im told theres US documents for it going back to at least 1979!

I did initially wonder if it had been sold to someone new in the US as before the current owner, it was bought by a dad for his disabled son to use, but turns out they where just the next owners after the British lady traded into a Chevy dealership who then donated to an Injured Motorcross youth, who then sold to a friend of the owners where its just been purchased from :) this does mean it would have a english registration mark if it was indeed owned by someone in the UK for a couple years before going to the US with them

but curiously enough none of the Invacar Model 70 blocks from the time this vehicle is from show any holes indicating a private car! so thats very interesting (there is a chance it could of been registered outside of Essex, but that in itself is very rare of the handful Private Invacar Model 70's I can find on the DVLA only 1 is non Essex registered, LRL389P the rest where just registered inside of Ministry blocks) being from 1975, I do know that if it was registered in the UK it would of been directly onto the DVLA computer thus a record of it will still exist somewhere in the DVLA today

but sadly due to the DVLA's historic archiving of anything inactive pre 1983, means theres no way for me to pull any data on it at home (not helped by the fact private cars tend to be a bit random in how their chassis numbers where recorded) 

so sadly I dont know its UK registration mark or if it had one! (I say if it had one because I do also wonder if it was ordered/bought by the UK owner as she moved to the US and thus was never registered over here, but again as above still putting the puzzle together!)

 

heres a few more pictures! its interesting to see the mods and make and do mend things its picked up after spending 40 years in the US! like the awful rear lights LOL

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and most bizarrely for some reason at some point the hydraulics for the front brake had been disconnected and replaced with a cable operated by its own lever on the handle bars! 

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it also seems like someone in the past traveled to the future and pinched @Zelandeth's idea and fitted a blower motor :) 

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all in all its a very fascinating and awesome find! so to speak! really awesome to not only find out about a long standing Mystery car but to also find that another private Invacar Model 70 survives out there! and thankfully the owner seems to be very in tune with Invacars and despite normally being someone who is very deep into the car customisation scene (see the woody beetle estate next to it!)

he plans to just treat it to a nice restoration this winter while trying to keep everything as original as possible which I am very pleased to hear, he clearly understands the significance and rarity of what he has :) 

he also confirmed for me that it was indeed the car being talked about here which I had been wondering about itself for many years!

https://www.acownersclub.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3791.0

did some really field find a Model 70 as far away as the USA? indeed they did! Invacars they really do show up everywhere! 

 

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