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7 hours ago, AdgeCutler said:

All great news on Invacars and ACs being brought back to life.  I've been quite short of time and funds of late but am still making progress in the small windows of time I have had, today saw this: 

 

Oh wow thats awesome! very well done! :) 

sounds really sweet!

Very awesome to see the engine running at long last and running so nicely!

thats a major step forward in getting Brian on the road! I bet your chuffed to bits, Im very chuffed just seeing it myself :) 

 

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Thanks Dez, sounds ear splitting without the exhaust but while my ears bled I did have a beamer on my chops. Hopefully we shall have it running much better once it has an exhaust, air filter and cables but there's isn't much can be done as to setting up until I have those components.

Great to hear Rev has gone to receive some attention.

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Finally had another driving lesson today! (after all the ones this month so far having been cancelled by my instructor for a series of reasons)

yet another "new" instructors car (as the swift was only a temp car while she jumped from BSM to setting up her own school) but im up to 6 different driving school cars at this point, must be some sort of record surely? LOL

this time round its a Vauxhall of some kind iv already forgotten, ill have to grab a picture next time

the actual driving aspect of it was quite good its quite confidence inspiring, and I felt more relaxed driving it compared to any previous modern

but by gosh are the ergonomics crippling, (something I feared going by my experience in the FoD Astravan) 

hopefully I can fine tune the seating positions and what not and make it a bit more manageable

but I did manage to finally get some proper driving manoeuvres done with my new instructor and her method of parallel parking is so much easier to understand/grasp/do compared to what my previous instructor tried to teach me, so im very pleased about that :) (as parallel parking is one of the manoeuvres I really struggled with)

 

and in REV news, Adam has given her a quick look over and on first impressions says she looks to be in good shape, so thats good to hear! :) 

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7 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

Finally had another driving lesson today! (after all the ones this month so far having been cancelled by my instructor for a serious of reasons)

yet another "new" instructors car (as the swift was only a temp car while she jumped from BSM to setting up her own school) but im up to 6 different driving school cars at this point, must be some sort of record surely? LOL

this time round its a Vauxhall of some kind iv already forgotten, ill have to grab a picture next time

the actual driving aspect of it was quite good its quite confidence inspiring, and I felt more relaxed driving it compared to any previous modern

but by gosh are the ergonomics crippling, (something I feared going by my experience in the FoD Astravan) 

hopefully I can fine tune the seating positions and what not and make it a bit more manageable

but I did manage to finally get some proper driving manoeuvres done with my new instructor and her method of parallel parking is so much easier to understand/grasp/do compared to what my previous instructor tried to teach me, so im very pleased about that :) (as parallel parking is one of the manoeuvres I really struggled with)

 

and in REV news, Adam has given her a quick look over and on first impressions says she looks to be in good shape, so thats good to hear! :) 

Keep up the great work with your lessons dez, you'll get there, I'm actually still on l plates myself and have been driving on them for years just to save on the astronomical prices of insurance, I learned to drive in my Peugeot 404 LHD USA spec, no power steering and 4 wheel drums 'awful ones at that' I find it so hard to drive a modern car for my lessons as the steering is to light and breaks too sharp 😂 

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1 hour ago, Harriytait said:

Keep up the great work with your lessons dez, you'll get there, I'm actually still on l plates myself and have been driving on them for years just to save on the astronomical prices of insurance, 

Um... am I missing something here?

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3 hours ago, Harriytait said:

Keep up the great work with your lessons dez, you'll get there, I'm actually still on l plates myself and have been driving on them for years just to save on the astronomical prices of insurance, I learned to drive in my Peugeot 404 LHD USA spec, no power steering and 4 wheel drums 'awful ones at that' I find it so hard to drive a modern car for my lessons as the steering is to light and breaks too sharp 😂 

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Thanks! :) 

I noticed that on FB etc I love the Trabant on L plates, goes back to a small discussion I had on the forum here if you could take your test in a Trabant :) 

I love seeing odball/shite cars on L plates especially in todays age

you must get some fun looks with the Trabant and 404 :) 

I learnt my clutch control in @Zelandeth's Lada Riva estate and I attribute that to the reason why I never have clutch control problems, once you learn clutch control in a Lada your ready for anything else thrown at you LOL 

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5 hours ago, Harriytait said:

What do you mean? I was just continuing the conversation.

Cheaper insurance on L-plates - seems like the restrictions would get a bit wearing after a few years!

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1 hour ago, RichardK said:

Cheaper insurance on L-plates - seems like the restrictions would get a bit wearing after a few years!

Yeah insurance is just stupid, £300 on l plates, 2400 on a full licence, 'work that one out' 😑 the restrictions aren't that annoying really as I drive with friends anyway, yeah being able to drive by myself would be be good but I don't find it as much of a burden as you'd think, I've also got a moped for solo drives to the shop or commuting.

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1 hour ago, Harriytait said:

Yeah insurance is just stupid, £300 on l plates, 2400 on a full licence, 'work that one out' 😑

thats because when your on L plates, the insurance companies know you have a qualified driver with you next to you etc

to take the wheel (literally LOL) if things go wrong or you start driving like a Yob etc etc

but the moment you pass your own and free to act like a Yob with no one to stop you, so prices go up accordingly

its all just risk assessment basically! 

although depending on how old you are it might not make much of a difference anymore

 

if you dont mind me asking whats the plan for the Invacar Mk12, since you wont be able to drive that on L plates sadly

(unless you meet a very specific set of criteria)

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Poor stuart, I had a feeling he would be selling his stuff eventually, but not quite like this!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/950689934973969/permalink/3999162890126643/

he had mentioned that, he really much prefers the research and paperwork side of things rather then the actual hands on physical work

so I am not overly surprised that he is selling his small collection, but the wording makes me feel for him!

I hope at least they can all find a good home hence why im posting here (ok im not expecting anyone here to have the money to buy the Peel P50, but maybe/hopefully the Comtesse and the Hardings can find a home on here? :)

 

BTW I did speak with him on the electric harding and from what he told me on how its motor died im pretty positive the electric motor is just fine and thats its just the modern PMW motor speed controller thats gone up the spout rather then the motor itself

and im thinking for the Petrol harding a Villiers 11E would probably fit quite well, which stuart agreed with and was thinking of well, but he did not want to have to faff about making a whole gear change assembly

 

on a happier note theres also another one of the oddingly Invacar Mk12's for sale From Big al, and you can actually see the chassis for once in one of the photos!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/950689934973969/permalink/3999398650103067/

although I would still recommend giving it a very good poking with your best Rust finding screw driver, just so you know what your in for!

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and it does have a door, well whats left of one, but thats better then most Mk12's out there! LOL

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2 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

thats because when your on L plates, the insurance companies know you have a qualified driver with you next to you etc

to take the wheel (literally LOL) if things go wrong or you start driving like a Yob etc etc

but the moment you pass your own and free to act like a Yob with no one to stop you, so prices go up accordingly

its all just risk assessment basically! 

although depending on how old you are it might not make much of a difference anymore

 

if you dont mind me asking whats the plan for the Invacar Mk12, since you wont be able to drive that on L plates sadly

(unless you meet a very specific set of criteria)

In terms of MPU, I have a bike licence 'A2' so I'm hopeful to be able to drive it on that, if not I'll more than likely be doing my full bike test in a few years after I've got my full car test. 

 

2 hours ago, AdgeCutler said:

Here is the ass end of your car @Harriytait, if you'd like it just shout. Any progress with yours to report?

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That would be amazing thank you! Now just a case of trying to get it back to Portsmouth 🤔🤔

Nothing meaningful to report on MPU's restore I'm afraid, she's just sitting under her tarp waiting for her turn. I've bolted on an old reg plate from a Capri just to fill the gap but that's it really.

I'm hopefully making a trip up north to see big Al later this month to collect a box of parts that was supposed to go with MPU, he also mentioned that he may have a black box spare so I'm crossing my fingers as I really don't want to have to source one myself🤞

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7 hours ago, Harriytait said:

In terms of MPU, I have a bike licence 'A2' so I'm hopeful to be able to drive it on that, if not I'll more than likely be doing my full bike test in a few years after I've got my full car test. 

yeah that should cover you :)  as an invalid carriage of 3 wheels between 254Kg and 410Kg is Legally defined as a Motorcycle for the road traffic act etc etc :) 

and the Mk12 and I think even the Model 70 has a power output of less then 15Kw so you could drive one on an A1 licence even,

although on a Model 70 you would have to make sure its a Pre March 1976 one as later Post March 1976 ones are over 410Kg which defines them as Motor cars rather then Motor cycles

https://www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped

7 hours ago, Harriytait said:

Nothing meaningful to report on MPU's restore I'm afraid, she's just sitting under her tarp waiting for her turn. I've bolted on an old reg plate from a Capri just to fill the gap but that's it really.

I'm hopefully making a trip up north to see big Al later this month to collect a box of parts that was supposed to go with MPU, he also mentioned that he may have a black box spare so I'm crossing my fingers as I really don't want to have to source one myself🤞

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I would recommend you get set of plates made up for its registration mark of MPU382J , as the DVLA will ask you pictures of the thing when we sort out the V5 :) 

7 hours ago, MT606 said:

LBF, did I see correctly he's wanting 60k for his Peel?

Yeah! for a genuine Peel P50 I think thats pretty "cheap" when you look at what others have sold for LOL, sadly being one of the archetypical Micro Cars, they have properly gone mental in price

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23 hours ago, Harriytait said:

Keep up the great work with your lessons dez, you'll get there, I'm actually still on l plates myself and have been driving on them for years just to save on the astronomical prices of insurance, I learned to drive in my Peugeot 404 LHD USA spec, no power steering and 4 wheel drums 'awful ones at that' I find it so hard to drive a modern car for my lessons as the steering is to light and breaks too sharp 😂 

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Is that the one you crashed? 

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On 5/18/2021 at 7:53 AM, Harriytait said:

Keep up the great work with your lessons dez, you'll get there, I'm actually still on l plates myself and have been driving on them for years just to save on the astronomical prices of insurance, I learned to drive in my Peugeot 404 LHD USA spec, no power steering and 4 wheel drums 'awful ones at that' I find it so hard to drive a modern car for my lessons as the steering is to light and breaks too sharp 😂 

 

Eventually if your driving old cars along side modern cars muscle memory becomes adaptive, I only notice the difference between old and modern vehicles if thinking about it, otherwise going from powerfull brakes and power steering to something with woefully heavy controls and vice versa is fairly seamless.

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53 minutes ago, Harriytait said:

Yep, had a little bump last year

Picture of the car jogged my memory, something about an inability to drive round a corner. Possibly a little* ambitious attempting to learn in an unassisted column-changed left hooker.. 

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30 minutes ago, Amishtat said:

Picture of the car jogged my memory, something about an inability to drive round a corner. Possibly a little* ambitious attempting to learn in an unassisted column-changed left hooker.. 

Yeah I lost a bit of confidence after that but soon got back to it and have been driving without issue since. 

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41 minutes ago, Saabnut said:

Saw this and thought of you....

Firey Beast of Turin Let Loose on the Highway | Part One - YouTube

3:02 for a few seconds

hah yeah I have seen/watched and talked about that a few times now, both for the Tippen Delta and the Model 70 and the fact the S76 is such a beast of a vehicle :) 

I really wish I knew more of the Model 70 and Tippen Delta (well I assume its a Model 70, could be a 67 for all I know, I dont see the rear end etc!)

as I dont know much about those 2 specific cars sadly, I do know @barrett posted a painting of the Tippen Delta a while back , which was very interesting, because it showed a Retro reflective rear plate

On 13/03/2019 at 17:30, barrett said:

Oh yeah, Duncan has a couple of invacars - I expressed some interest in one and our friend Stefan did this sketch of it for me

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(http://stefanmarjoram.com/store - he's very good)

 

which indicates that its a Fred Miller Electric conversion Tippen Delta, but I have looked up pretty much all 550~ of those on the DVLA, and of those that still show up/I have been able to find, none show signs of surviving (although I do know a small gaggle of 4 are known to survive WTD317L, RTF114M, YTB768N and HCK972N)

so I am really curious to know which it is, is it one I have come across on the DVLA completely oblivious to the fact it does still survive somewhere? :)  

and of course I would love to know details on the Model 70 :) 

 

I do keep pestering @barrett about it since I belive he is in contact with the chap who owns the S76/Those invalid vehicles

hopefully at some point I will get something! :) 

 

I appreciate the heads up tho :) 

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@AdgeCutler Brian is alive on the DVLA once more Woooo!

just like I thought the DVLA did have a record on it, we just needed to get them to unarchive it :)

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its the first time I have seen an Invacar where its body type also got recorded as its make, but im not too surprised, as I have well documented before these records back then could contain all  sorts of fun errors

I wonder if they will update the record with the proper info we provided on the V62 and V894, before they issue you your V5 

going by the "not available" on the V5c issue date, it looks like they have simply just brought the vehicle back to life on the main computer system still only on its 1970's record and then will probably issue you a V5c in your name shortly :) 

(if the details not corrected it should not be hard to correct it after you get the new V5)

 

I am very pleased about this, not only just for you, and the Invacar Mk12,

but also in general as it very much backs up my theories, and gives a lot of hope to surviving vehicles I know of that dont show up on the DVLA currently but I know came off the road around about the same time period :)

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4 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

@AdgeCutler Brian is alive on the DVLA once more Woooo!

just like I thought the DVLA did have a record on it, we just needed to get them to unarchive it :)

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its the first time I have seen an Invacar where its body type also got recorded as its make, but im not too surprised, as I have well documented before these records back then could contain all  sorts of fun errors

I wonder if they will update the record with the proper info we provided on the V62 and V894, before they issue you your V5 

going by the "not available" on the V5c issue date, it looks like they have simply just brought the vehicle back to life on the main computer system still only on its 1970's record and then will probably issue you a V5c in your name shortly :) 

(if the details not corrected it should not be hard to correct it after you get the new V5)

 

I am very pleased about this, not only just for you, and the Invacar Mk12,

but in general as it very much backs up my theories, and gives a lot of hope to vehicles I know of that dont show up on the DVLA currently but I know came off the road around about the same time period :)

Giving me hope for MPU! well done Brian :)

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On 5/14/2021 at 1:19 PM, LightBulbFun said:

interesting, thats not one I have seen before!

not sure what could of prompted that especially as its only been SORN for a relatively short while

its not like you have had it on continuous SORN since 2013!

but I do wonder if its the DVLA way of poking people to stop them using SORN as a way to lazily scrap a vehicle etc especially if you take a vehicle apart on your driveway, the V5 no longer has a "I have scrapped this vehicle" check box, you have to take the vehicle to a proper scrap yard to get it a CoD, which might be a bit tricky when not much of it physically exists anymore! so a lot of vehicles that die just end up on SORN, im really hoping XEV88S is not one of those, as id really like to get its registration number stuck back onto the Model 70 it was stolen off of!)

either that, or for some reason, someone reported the car as being on the road despite SORNed to the DVLA? (although I imagine you would get a nastier letter then what you got, if you where "papped" driving a SORN vehicle on the road)

maybe you can give em a call and ask them whats prompted it :) 

 

I will say V49 tho indicates its a fairly old form, although the /3 my be a new addition to it, I have never seen a V49 on its own so dunno what that looks like (it might be a relatively internal form like a V202 or V894)

(the 4/21 indicates that this form was revised pretty recently!)

the DVLA forms are fun like because the numbers go up in order of introduction its why a V5 is a V5 its one of the very first forms from the DVLC/DVLA :), and for example a V890 is such a high number as SORN was only relatively recently introduced

@LightBulbFun and @Six-cylinder , I got one too !!  This Daf has been sorn since 2019.  Wonder what they are playing at !!

 

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9 minutes ago, bobdisk said:

@LightBulbFun and @Six-cylinder , I got one too !!  This Daf has been sorn since 2019.  Wonder what they are playing at !!

 

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interesting!

I have not got one for REV, but she was only SORNed at the start of March

or Perhaps the DVLA just know better then to try and play games with me LOL

 

strangely despite "V49" indicating its a pretty old form, I cant find anything online for it

perhaps V49 was an internal form not really sent out until this /3 addition? 

 

its amusing @Six-cylinder is "Mr Smith"

where as you are Just Customer

to be fair given how many cars @Six-cylinder has/has had registered to him, im not surprised that the DVLA are on "first" name basis with him! :mrgreen:

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