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LBF - I've shared the Northern Ireland video with the ICR people - and I don't think they have seen it before - both were very happy (I said a friend had found it, not me!)

In other news - a Model 70 is going on display, have a look on their Facebook page - it is at the 'Thought Foundation' in Gateshead.

https://en-gb.facebook.com/invalidcarriageregister/

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3 hours ago, mrbenn said:

Good find! Was that an original colour option?

pretty sure it was, its a period photo, not of one that still survives sadly

 

9 minutes ago, egg said:

LBF - I've shared the Northern Ireland video with the ICR people - and I don't think they have seen it before - both were very happy (I said a friend had found it, not me!)

In other news - a Model 70 is going on display, have a look on their Facebook page - it is at the 'Thought Foundation' in Gateshead.

https://en-gb.facebook.com/invalidcarriageregister/

its a shame you cant get shares in a car club/register, so I could get 51% and sort things out :mrgreen:

 

I do think its kinda sad that they are using OYP595, a Ringed Model 70, they really aught to be projecting a better image than that

(not only is a ringed car quite dodgy, it also gives people false information if anyone decides to look it up on the DVLA for more info)

I did ask in the ICR's photo about OYP595 and if they could grab me a picture of its actual chassis number :)

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so heres a few cool things I dug up while the forum was down

(really what did you expect me to do while the forum was down? :mrgreen: )

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first up I found a picture of the odd Model 67 from the other side, and look no door! I wonder if this was one adapted for Left hand controls then? (all other Model 67s I have come across have a door on this side, and no door on the other side)

(on these earlier invalid carriages like the Model 67 and Invacar Mk12, the controls blocked one side of the car, probably why they only had 1 door)

Second thing is, a Model 70 for sale in the US I think? https://www.orlandoautomuseum.com/vehicles/1465/1977-ac-invacar

3rd thing is https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_big_jiggety/2099262999/in/photolist-4cvgKD-hqjss6-df7azF-h5ryE2-846Xqa-qmokzh-bG61eF-xcw43Q-Wx1r53-7CPmeJ-ahyiD4-9diKJh-df7aV4-289cvGj-e3hm4E-KRb5BK-WcHu6j-8wHMJF-df7aBs-oD1A1s-ajVWrx-NHtTK2-Ky2aii-9PL9rv-qeebGy-29MAxB5-adntsj-GjLTuA-56jgYa-28gXAPU-27RzFuV-RFnW82-7WmfLe-ceg3ph-NxBWsg-qz4Kjn-8qaJoe-28ofSN3-avsAMK-bxHyTj-5HPvyW-5HXCdu-7BSySQ-Z7GaaN-7WmkkM-2aqnDqV-K57Uad-5BfCbv-Nx5Mju-2dwFyFt

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an AC Model 70 that was running around around with an Invacar badge, I wonder how that happened :)

 

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YAY I found another S reg series to bash into the DVLA! (the Reg is XEV95S in that picture)

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(I had come across the picture before but in low rez form where I could just make out the Invacar was an S reg one, but not the rest of the registration, im very happy to have found another S reg block to look up and hopefully fill in the gaps of Final Model 70 production :) )

 

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ok so this was all very exciting :)

 

the XEV block starts at XEV49S all the way to XEV116S from what I can tell

and, it jumps off from where the WVW-S block ended :) (which up until now was the latest invacar registration series I knew of)

and guess what VES108S is part of the XEV-S block

since XEV86S is 8918, and VES108S is 8920, and guess what XEV88S is on... a white 1993 Isuzu LOL, just as  I thought someone had stolen VES108S's plate, (the rest of the XEV-S block being invacars of course)

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also WOO848S is actually XEV87S, well if you remember back WOO848S came back as 8919, which does not fit in with any of the WOO-S invacars, sadly XEV87S which is what I suspect WOO848S is actually, has not been taxed since 1985, so I cant look it up for its Chassis number to verify it (I do wonder is WOO848S really XEV87S, or did someone make a typo somewhere and WOO848S, really is WOO848S?)

 

also XEV71S has its revenue weight actually listed on the online checker not seen that before, (all other Model 70's just say "Not available" despite it being on the V5) its also interesting to see its down as 413Kg rather then 410Kg, I wonder if its a Typo or if it really did go up for newer Model 70s, I have asked Fraser what the V5 for VES108S says hopefully he will get back to me on it

 

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XEV116S is 8948, So close to 8955 which is SOI7570 the NI Invacar Model 70

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So Fraser did get back to me :)

 

and interestingly enough VES108S has 414kg listed as her weight on the V5, so at some point the weight of the Model 70 went up 3-4Kg, Well on the V5 at least, TWC/TPA say 410Kg and so did JPA268N according to fraser its interesting to note the workshop manual has it down as 406Kg LOL

 

I wonder if the weight went up because of the roll bar and other changes they made in 1975-1976 or so?

it is worth noting that this does mean an earlier Model 70 would be a "Motor cycle" in the eyes of the RTA, but later Model 70 would be a "Motor car" LOL

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Woo my 2000th posts :)

to celebrate it have a montage of buses and Model 70s

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(OPD706L is another AC Model 70 wearing an Invacar badge) Most these photos where found on flicker, just search "invacar" and you will see them if your looking for the original sources :)  

also while bashing the DVLA during the great* AS outage I came across another Invacar Model 70 that shows up as a Reliant on the DVLA LOL (the other being WVW292S) im curious between these 2, and the 2 Aircraft tugs, was reliant the DVLAs default maker if they couldn't figure out who made the vehicle for some reason/if the system pissed itself? LOL

 

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 <Hannah****@nmni.com>
Fri 03/05/2019 13:57
 
 

Dear DATSUNCOG,

 

Thank you for providing more information for us. We will get the images for you in the first instance, but if they do not prove sufficient we can arrange for you to come in and view the car.

 

I hope to have the images/information for you next week.

 

We look forward to finding the answers too!

 

Best Wishes,

 

Hannah

Well, this looks promising. I've sent pics across, so they know where to find the VIN and chassis number locations on WOI. Fingers crossed!

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Awesome stuff, im happy to see they are willing to corporate :)

it sounds like they dont really know much about their own Model 70! do you know where/how the museum found WOI654?

 

(BTW going by how VES108S was the latest known Invacar Model 70 Stuart knew about (before SOI7570)  and how he thought it may of originally been a WVW/WOO car, I dont think he knew about the XEV-S block of Invacar Model 70s so im excited to tell him about them when he comes back to the internet :) )

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On 3/6/2011 at 9:07 PM, wuvvum said:

Hmm. That Invacar's obviously been deregistered, so could be a bit of an arse to get back on the road again, seeing as how technically it should have been squished years ago. Might have to be registered as an AC Petite or something.

 

well that explains* OYP595 then :mrgreen:

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On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 4:43 PM, LightBulbFun said:

Awesome stuff, im happy to see they are willing to corporate :)

it sounds like they dont really know much about their own Model 70! do you know where/how the museum found WOI654?

 

(BTW going by how VES108S was the latest known Invacar Model 70 Stuart knew about (before SOI7570)  and how he thought it may of originally been a WVW/WOO car, I dont think he knew about the XEV-S block of Invacar Model 70s so im excited to tell him about them when he comes back to the internet :) )

Nope, they don't seem to have a great deal of knowledge to hand... the Ulster Transport Museum's collection came from a few different collections smooshed together in the late '80s, and it seems they spent a fair bit of effort in the mid-1990s on the train and bus galleries - but the car stuff has always been a bit of a poor relation.

However, I gather they have some new staff there now and the last time I visited it was heartening to see they'd removed some of the broken and really embarrassingly outdated displays ('What will transport in Northern Ireland be like in the Year 2000?' - 'Restoration on this locomotive is scheduled to begin in 1997')  so maybe it'll start to improve.

I've asked them whether they have any info on this Model 70, so I'll be sure to post anything they come back with. I seem to remember seeing this vehicle on display in the late '90s, so it was there before the blanket recall of all invalid trikes in 2003. With a 1993 tax disc still in the windscreen, I'd guess that it may have been returned to the DHSS around that time (possibly after its owner gave up driving, or otherwise no longer had need of it) and from there it was maybe donated to the museum, since I believe they could no longer be issued to new users.

It's possible that it may have been gifted to the museum as a static exhibit with no registration (and maybe even marked as scrapped) while the original (valuable) three-digit numberplate was kept and sold on by whichever Health Trust originally owned it, as a cost-recovery exercise.

I know Translink (Ulsterbus/Metrobus) owns a lot of three-digit NI registrations, often corresponding to the bus numbers themselves, which have been recycled over the years - hence a reasonably new Volvo-powered Wrightbus may be seen on the streets of Belfast wearing, say KXI745 - a 1987 plate that would have been originally assigned to an Alexander-bodied Leyland Tiger with fleet number 745.

(And I'm afraid I don't know whether Ulsterbus fleet-numbered their buses according to the assigned registration plate, or whether they requested a registration that matched the fleet number - but here's BXI2599, a Bristol RE wearing Ulsterbus fleet number 2599, just for jolly.)

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7 hours ago, Snipes said:

It's amusing to think of a bus enthusiast snapping away only to get photobombed by an Invicar.  He (it'll be a bloke) may not have noticed until they eventually got the pictures developed, too.

well the first Photo featured, is taken by Clair  Pendrous, funnily enough She is also a well known lighting collector and I have a few very rare fluorescent tubes from her (the Ex NATO Red 2ft 40W T12 I used in one of my Rover SD1 pictures came from her :)

3 hours ago, mrbenn said:

Loving the bus/Invacar montage pics LBF!

Don't suppose you know where the 4th one down was taken?

the one with with 305VHN? heres the flicker link to it, hope it helps :)  https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2539411018

2 hours ago, Datsuncog said:

Nope, they don't seem to have a great deal of knowledge to hand... the Ulster Transport Museum's collection came from a few different collections smooshed together in the late '80s, and it seems they spent a fair bit of effort in the mid-1990s on the train and bus galleries - but the car stuff has always been a bit of a poor relation.

However, I gather they have some new staff there now and the last time I visited it was heartening to see they'd removed some of the broken and really embarrassingly outdated displays ('What will transport in Northern Ireland be like in the Year 2000?' - 'Restoration on this locomotive is scheduled to begin in 1997')  so maybe it'll start to improve.

I've asked them whether they have any info on this Model 70, so I'll be sure to post anything they come back with. I seem to remember seeing this vehicle on display in the late '90s, so it was there before the blanket recall of all invalid trikes in 2003. With a 1993 tax disc still in the windscreen, I'd guess that it may have been returned to the DHSS around that time (possibly after its owner gave up driving, or otherwise no longer had need of it) and from there it was maybe donated to the museum, since I believe they could no longer be issued to new users.

It's possible that it may have been gifted to the museum as a static exhibit with no registration (and maybe even marked as scrapped) while the original (valuable) three-digit numberplate was kept and sold on by whichever Health Trust originally owned it, as a cost-recovery exercise.

I know Translink (Ulsterbus/Metrobus) owns a lot of three-digit NI registrations, often corresponding to the bus numbers themselves, which have been recycled over the years - hence a reasonably new Volvo-powered Wrightbus may be seen on the streets of Belfast wearing, say KXI745 - a 1987 plate that would have been originally assigned to an Alexander-bodied Leyland Tiger with fleet number 745.

(And I'm afraid I don't know whether Ulsterbus fleet-numbered their buses according to the assigned registration plate, or whether they requested a registration that matched the fleet number - but here's BXI2599, a Bristol RE wearing Ulsterbus fleet number 2599, just for jolly.)

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interesting stuff :) I know London Transport had their Routemaster registrations match their fleet number  (RM5 is VLT5, ER882 is WLT882, RM2037 is ALM37B, RML2760 is SMK760F etc) so LT would of requested custom registrations or reserved a block somehow I imagine? im not sure how that works exactly.

 

I Dont think WOI654 has been put on another car as even tho it does not show up on the DVLA, on the various other sites it does show up on, it shows up as an AC, however based on what others have said it looks like something like what you mention, was the case with GIG4834 as apparently "GIG" is a 1990s reg)

 

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I see VES108S (ex XEV88S) is officially for sale, sadly from speaking to fraser before it went on sale, I know theres no way I can afford this one either sadly (he said he has spent £2800 on it and wants at least £3000, im not sure how you spend £2800 on an Invacar short of a full nut and bolt restoration and respray, however knowing where VES108S came from id not be surprised if fraser himself paid too much for it!)

(He says he does not buy and sell Model 70s as a business, but sure bloody looks like it!)

 

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I think the bills can add up. If I went full lottery win mode, 

Villiers Services charge £1300 for a full engine rebuild (and that is full, to virtually new standard) https://villiersservices.co.uk/index.php?main_page=page&id=3

Then if you add some professional fibreglass repairs, say some electrical work done, full new brakes and pipework etc etc.

But, this doesn't seem to be the case for VES108S.

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2 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

I see VES108S (ex XEV88S) is officially for sale, sadly from speaking to fraser before it went on sale, I know theres no way I can afford this one either (he said he has spent £2800 on it and wants at least £3000, im not sure how you spend £2800 on an Invacar short of a full nut and bolt restoration and respray, however knowing where VES108S came from id not be surprised if fraser himself paid too much for it!)

(He says he does not buy and sell Model 70s as a business, but sure bloody looks like it!)

 

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Crikey. So, going by the advert, he has bought is an exhaust manifold and the car owes him £2800? Does that mean he paid IRO £2700 for it?

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3 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

interesting stuff :) I know London Transport had their Routemaster registrations match their fleet number  (RM5 is VLT5, ER882 is WLT882, RM2037 is ALM37B, RML2760 is SMK760F etc) so LT would of requested custom registrations or reserved a block somehow I imagine? im not sure how that works exactly.

Within NI, it's possible there was some sort of internal arrangement going on with registations - since the DVLNI (as was) and NITHCo (Northern Ireland Transport Holding Company, trading as Translink) were, respectively, an agency and a government-owned company both under the auspices of the Department of the Environment. I'll try to find out if I know anyone who might have a definitive answer as to what came first: the fleet number or the registration plate.

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I Dont think WOI654 has been put on another car as even tho it does not show up on the DVLA, on the various other sites it does show up on, it shows up as an AC, however based on what others have said it looks like something like what you mention, was the case with GIG4834 as apparently "GIG" is a 1990s reg)

That's good to know - I'd really be interested to know why WOI is wearing those daft mock-up plates that are meaningless. Hopefully the museum will be able to answer that mystery, too!

With regard to the other car, we may have more of a mystery on our hands - because  a vehicle wearing a GIG plate couldn't have been assigned it much before 2010.

The 'IG' office code refers to a car registered with the Enniskillen DVLNI office in rural Co. Fermanagh, and that series only kicked off with AIG1 in late 2004 - after the old 'IL' series finally concluded with YIL9999.

At present, the Enniskillen office is assigning UIG**** plates to new vehicles registered there - most of which are likely to be going onto commercials, farm or plant vehicles, since there aren't all that many new car dealerships in Fermanagh.

At a guess, GIG4834 is likely to have been issued around 2010 (the IG series is a bit shorter than usual as CIG, NIG and PIG were never issued in the series, as they were deemed potentially offensive, while QIG is also off the list) and, along with other 'word' plates such as OIL, BIG, etc, were EXTREMELY popular with private plate re-sellers as cheap dateless plates for GB cars. This probably explains why the numbers surrounding GIG4834 are assigned to all manner of random vehicles, from a 1994 Vauxhall, to a 2000 Mercedes, to a Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa bike.

So how did a Model 70 end up wearing an NI plate issued around 2010? I have no idea. Although, if the car in question is now in NI, it may have been assigned a new-series plate at the point it was brought over and registered with DVLNI (as I was offered with my Cortina). As with WOI, it could take a VIN and chassis number check for this one against the factory records to try to uncover its original identity...

 

But hey, who doesn't love a good mystery??

 

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Putting my sad bastard hat on (or " you have very strange hobby" as the nice young Greek lady said to me earlier today as I was scribbling down vin numbers on LHD East Lancs bodied Tridents and B7s), top pic is Sheffield. Leyland Nastie is leaving Harmer Lane onto Pond Street. Second pic is Doncaster, outside the old Waterdale bus station, one of 56 ECW Fleetlines bought by SYPTE. 

Third pic Manchester and a Northern Counties bodied Olympian (don't know where).

Fourth is Darlington and a Roe bodied Daimler CCG6 ( they were twats to drive with the constant mesh boxes), there's a single deck Fleetline with Roe body in the background. 

Smoke for fifth.

Not sure where the Alder Valley VR is, six cylinder may be able to recognise it.

Last pic is Chesterfield, a forward entrance version of pic 4. Cannot remember what works service 104 was (should do, drove enough bus routes into Chesterfield in the late 70's), probably to one of the pits, Markham?.

I posted a B&W of an Invacar early on in DW's post in Portsmouth. Wonder how many other of my bus pics have them in.

I'd also love to know what the reg of the one my grandfather had in the early 60's was. Travelled in that. Freedom of Information ?

 

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On 5/7/2019 at 4:21 PM, egg said:

I think the bills can add up. If I went full lottery win mode, 

Villiers Services charge £1300 for a full engine rebuild (and that is full, to virtually new standard) https://villiersservices.co.uk/index.php?main_page=page&id=3

Then if you add some professional fibreglass repairs, say some electrical work done, full new brakes and pipework etc etc.

But, this doesn't seem to be the case for VES108S.

Aye yeah, if you went full out im sure you could, but as you mention this does not look to be the case

ah well, I hope VES108S goes to a good home at least! (and ideally stays in the UK!)

 

On 5/7/2019 at 4:37 PM, mrbenn said:

 

Crikey. So, going by the advert, he has bought is an exhaust manifold and the car owes him £2800? Does that mean he paid IRO £2700 for it?

Yeah exactly LOL, but I know he himself bought it from someone else who specialises in buying micro cars and flipping them for profit as well, so who knows how much he paid. (I did ask how much he paid for it originally, but he never answered me directly he just said it owes him £2800)

 

I also I noticed he did not mention the Number plate information I info I dug up, not sure what to think of that, and if I should post a comment about it? im not sure he believes me or wants to believe me sadly.

 

On 5/7/2019 at 4:46 PM, Datsuncog said:

Within NI, it's possible there was some sort of internal arrangement going on with registations - since the DVLNI (as was) and NITHCo (Northern Ireland Transport Holding Company, trading as Translink) were, respectively, an agency and a government-owned company both under the auspices of the Department of the Environment. I'll try to find out if I know anyone who might have a definitive answer as to what came first: the fleet number or the registration plate.

That's good to know - I'd really be interested to know why WOI is wearing those daft mock-up plates that are meaningless. Hopefully the museum will be able to answer that mystery, too!

With regard to the other car, we may have more of a mystery on our hands - because  a vehicle wearing a GIG plate couldn't have been assigned it much before 2010.

The 'IG' office code refers to a car registered with the Enniskillen DVLNI office in rural Co. Fermanagh, and that series only kicked off with AIG1 in late 2004 - after the old 'IL' series finally concluded with YIL9999.

At present, the Enniskillen office is assigning UIG**** plates to new vehicles registered there - most of which are likely to be going onto commercials, farm or plant vehicles, since there aren't all that many new car dealerships in Fermanagh.

At a guess, GIG4834 is likely to have been issued around 2010 (the IG series is a bit shorter than usual as CIG, NIG and PIG were never issued in the series, as they were deemed potentially offensive, while QIG is also off the list) and, along with other 'word' plates such as OIL, BIG, etc, were EXTREMELY popular with private plate re-sellers as cheap dateless plates for GB cars. This probably explains why the numbers surrounding GIG4834 are assigned to all manner of random vehicles, from a 1994 Vauxhall, to a 2000 Mercedes, to a Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa bike.

So how did a Model 70 end up wearing an NI plate issued around 2010? I have no idea. Although, if the car in question is now in NI, it may have been assigned a new-series plate at the point it was brought over and registered with DVLNI (as I was offered with my Cortina). As with WOI, it could take a VIN and chassis number check for this one against the factory records to try to uncover its original identity...

 

But hey, who doesn't love a mystery??

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very interesting stuff!

what i can tell with UOI4719 (Chassis No T409 according to my checker) is, that there where later cars that where registered in the UK, the VPG243S-VPG269S block consist of 26 AC Model 70's from T421-T447, so this does tell me that either NI Model 70s where either Randomly plucked from batches of UK cars or at least that there was some overlap between the 2

what im trying to find is a mainland Model 70 from the same chassis range as one of the NI Model 70s so I can then bash the DVLA checker going up 1 registration number at a time until i  get to what the supposed UK registration of the NI Model 70 would of been if that makes any sense to you? and see what it shows up as (ie does it show up as a Model 70 that has been untaxed since 1980 which would tell us they re-registered Model 70s once exported to NI or does it show up as something unrelated?, basically do the exact same thing I did to figure out VES108S's original registration number :) )

like UOI4719, is Chassis number T409, what im hoping to find is a UK registered Model 70 with a T400 series chassis number, and then increment its registration on the DVLA until I would hit T409 (because remember Model 70 chassis numbers went up in sync with their registration number)

sadly all the NI Model 70s I have documented are still out on their own, for example the last UK Model 70 I have before UOI is TPE409S which is T288, and then after that is VPG247S which is T425, so UOI is still all on its own with T409 if that makes sense?

(WOI and GIG are completely on there own with chassis numbers higher then any UK car I have documented, and the same with SOI, the highest Invacar Model 70 I have documented before it is XEV116S with 8948 with SOI7570 being 8955)

this is one of the reasons I have asked if anyone has any new pictures containing S reg Model 70s as those will have the highest chance of intersecting with the NI Model 70s (AFAIK, there are no T Reg Model 70s but who knows!)

sadly there are no factory records or such, the only stuff out there is just pretty much what Me and Stuart have been able to figure out!

(and I am very thankful to the person who provided the link to the Number plate to VIN number website it has been very valuable to me! and also to lanciamatt for running full HPI checks when the usual website could not get the Chassis number, and to everyone else who has helped with this escapade!)

hopefully all this makes sense! I always struggle to explain the whole Chassis number and registration numbers thing LOL

 

On 5/7/2019 at 4:47 PM, busmansholiday said:

Putting my sad bastard hat on (or " you have very strange hobby" as the nice young Greek lady said to me earlier today as I was scribbling down vin numbers on LHD East Lancs bodied Tridents and B7s), top pic is Sheffield. Leyland Nastie is leaving Harmer Lane onto Pond Street. Second pic is Doncaster, outside the old Waterdale bus station, one of 56 ECW Fleetlines bought by SYPTE. 

Third pic Manchester and a Northern Counties bodied Olympian (don't know where).

Fourth is Darlington and a Roe bodied Daimler CCG6 ( they were twats to drive with the constant mesh boxes), there's a single deck Fleetline with Roe body in the background. 

Smoke for fifth.

Not sure where the Alder Valley VR is, six cylinder may be able to recognise it.

Last pic is Chesterfield, a forward entrance version of pic 4. Cannot remember what works service 104 was (should do, drove enough bus routes into Chesterfield in the late 70's), probably to one of the pits, Markham?.

I posted a B&W of an Invacar early on in DW's post in Portsmouth. Wonder how many other of my bus pics have them in.

I'd also love to know what the reg of the one my grandfather had in the early 60's was. Travelled in that. Freedom of Information ?

 

very cool stuff!, sadly the Government washed their hands of all things invalid carriage a good 15 years ago, so a FOI request would not go anywhere sadly as they dont have the info themselves!

and what information that did escape destruction is with the ICR, who have not been much use/help sadly!

I would love to be able to teleport to where all the information is stored and just sort through it all!

 

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5 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

Yeah exactly LOL, but I know he himself bought it from someone else who specialises in buying micro cars and flipping them for profit as well, so who knows how much he paid. (I did ask how much he paid for it originally, but he never answered me directly he just said it owes him £2800)

Well, it'll certainly be interesting to see if he gets anything like that money without an MOT and brakes needing doing. I was under the impression that the brakes on these are fairly straightforward?

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Just now, mrbenn said:

Well, it'll certainly be interesting to see if he gets anything like that money without an MOT and brakes needing doing. I was under the impression that the brakes on these are fairly straightforward?

same im keeping a close eye on it

the one thing is he has it advertised in a Microcar group, and we all know how the microcar people like to pay silly money for pretty much anything if they get a hankering for it!

(indeed the brakes on a Model 70 are very simple, with all the parts being BMC parts bin stuff)

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20 minutes ago, mrbenn said:

It's BMC stuff? I didn't realise. Cheap as chips, then.

indeed, just normal 7 inch Girling brakes, shared with The Mini I think

and yeah, DW himself said the most expensive thing on project invacar so far has been new pulleys which was "only" a couple hundred quid

so the rest of things must of been quite cheap in the scheme of things :) (especially knowing that he had to do a full engine servicing and brake system rebuild to get TWC back on the road plus new tyres etc) which is also good to know for my shoe string budget when it comes to maintaining my future Model 70 :mrgreen:

which also goes back to the £100 field cars, if I did get one for that cheap, yes it would probably need more work then I could physically give it in my current situation, but at the same time the stuff It would need would most likely be simple enough that I could just throw the rest of the money I have saved up at a shop and have them get it going without much hassle :)

 

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If you end up getting one that needs a bit of work I suspect a few of us could appear at your residence and form some sort of working party!

Still can't get over the £100 field cars (which I appreciate is very cheap). Then suddenly they're worth so much more.

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39 minutes ago, mrbenn said:

If you end up getting one that needs a bit of work I suspect a few of us could appear at your residence and form some sort of working party!

Still can't get over the £100 field cars (which I appreciate is very cheap). Then suddenly they're worth so much more.

that would be fun :)

Yeah as I have mentioned, Invacars seem to be in a state of flux, it makes it very hard to answer when someone asks me "so how much are invacars worth then?"

I still want to know whats happened to the rest of the field cars exactly!

 

I left a comment on frasers for sale post quickly mentioning the registration thing, and he gave it a like, which is good, I was worried he might get all funny with me about it, (while I admit dont like his adgenda so to speak, I do want to keep things friendly and amicable :) )

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