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CXE1 and DPJ930 appear to be nothing more than red herrings that have nothing to do with the invalid carriage story, pre-war AC cars that happen to have the same chassis numbers as later Model 70s, and as those cars survive and the Model 70s don't, that's what the VIN site will return. There probably were additional NI Model 70s with those chassis numbers that followed on from LOI6831 but aren't in any online records.

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23 minutes ago, quicksilver said:

CXE1 and DPJ930 appear to be nothing more than red herrings that have nothing to do with the invalid carriage story, pre-war AC cars that happen to have the same chassis numbers as later Model 70s, and as those cars survive and the Model 70s don't, that's what the VIN site will return. There probably were additional NI Model 70s with those chassis numbers that followed on from LOI6831 but aren't in any online records.

aye I was thinking that, but just very coincidental

however I did a bit of quick googling and found GPF957 FPA707 and HPJ878 which are other 16/80's and all have the same chassis number format

so yeah, just very coincidental! it does go to show just how far back this whole AC (ELECTRIC) name/thing goes, (both HPJ878 and FPA707 is also down as AC (ELECTRIC) )

(I did initially wonder if CXE1/DPJ930 was a case of someone getting ahold of some Model 70 logbooks and manipulating them to suit a couple ACs they had no documents for! but I doubt thats the case now)

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53 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

(always tickled me that they went through the trouble making a sticker for their reserve cars, it would be a right laugh to slap one to REV451R! :mrgreen:  "JCB421N" also has one of these stickers) 

Yeah, I think getting a graphics company to knock up a replica sticker or two might be fun at some point. It's another part of Invacar history...

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Woo! I found a pre Mk5 Model 64 that still shows up on the DVLA database, up until now I did not know exactly how a Pre mk5's chassis number was interpreted on the DVLA database, (I knew what they looked like on the chassis plate, but I was not sure how the DVLA database would interpret it so I was not sure how to search the DVLA database with those chassis numbers) now I that I have found one that still shows up, I have been able to pull its chassis number

 

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and from that I have been able to ID a previously unknown registration number AC Model 64 Mk4 survivor, that I now know its reg is JPD612C :) 

(since i was able to take the chassis number from the Mk4 above HPB134C and jog forward with it till I found JPD614C,  which does still show up on the DVLA also, and then since I could see that one was 2 chassis numbers ahead of the unknown one it was easy enough to work backwards to JPD612C, which sadly does not show up on the DVLA database)

I found out about HPB, because in the Spare parts manual, lists the registration numbers, each Mk of Model 64 starts from, as seen here

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and I went through each one of those reg numbers going up 1 by 1 till I found one that still showed up :) 

(I started from TPF801F and went up, but none showed up there with 821F being a normal car, so I started from HPB121C where I thankfully found HPB134C that still showed up!)

 

its interesting to note that HPB134C is a high 6900's number and JPD is a low 7000's number the reason this is interesting to note, is because according to the brief pictorial history of the invalid tricycle, AC only made 2182 AC Model 64's

and if the only made 2182, then why are the chassis numbers into the 7000s!

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6 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

Woo! I found a pre Mk5 Model 64 that still shows up on the DVLA database, up until now I did not know exactly how a Pre mk5's chassis number was interpreted on the DVLA database, (I knew what they looked like on the chassis plate, but I was not sure how the DVLA database would interpret it so I was not sure how to search the DVLA database with those chassis numbers) now I that I have found one that still shows up, I have been able to pull its chassis number

 

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and from that I have been able to ID a previously unknown registration number AC Model 64 Mk4 survivor, that I now know its reg is JPD612C :) 

(since i was able to take the chassis number from the Mk4 above HPB134C and jog forward with it till I found JPD614C,  which does still show up on the DVLA also, and then since I could see that one was 2 chassis numbers ahead of the unknown one it was easy enough to work backwards to JPD612C, which sadly does not show up on the DVLA database)

I found out about HPB, because in the Spare parts manual, lists the registration numbers, each Mk of Model 64 starts from, as seen here

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and I went through each one of those reg numbers going up 1 by 1 till I found one that still showed up :) 

(I started from TPF801F and went up, but none showed up there with 821F being a normal car, so I started from HPB121C where I thankfully found HPB134C that still showed up!)

 

its interesting to note that HPB134C is a high 6900's number and JPB is a low 7000's number the reason this is interesting to note, is because according to the brief pictorial history of the invalid tricycle, AC only made 2182 AC Model 64's

and if the only made 2182, then why are the chassis numbers into the 7000s!

Did AC make any invalid carriages before the Model 64? Just wondering if the Model 64 ones carried on from any previous AC models. 

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On 8/9/2019 at 2:23 PM, Jon said:

Saw this thread and thought of you!

http://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/210525/retro-trailers

Not sure if you can garner any info for number plate runs etc. from the plate in the first post?

 

 

On 8/9/2019 at 2:39 PM, LightBulbFun said:

Oh very cool thanks for the heads up/link!

stealing the picture and posting it in here to keep it safe!

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Iv never seen an AC Acedes Model 64's VIN plate before so its very informative for me :)

I can now say that the registration of this trailer/poor Model 64 would of been RPE405E :) 

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3 minutes ago, Eyersey1234 said:

Did AC make any invalid carriages before the Model 64? Just wondering if the Model 64 ones carried on from any previous AC models. 

well Before the Model 64 was the Model 57, AC Acedes which is the petrol version of the Model 64

but AFAIK, the Model 57 used its own chassis numbering scheme

and then before that was the Model 43 AC All weather Tricycle, which again AFAIK used its own chassis number series 

so yeah its a bit of a head scratcher

it MAY be that it continues on from a previous model, but they just changed the leading letters to reflect the change to electric, but iv not seen that done before, when the leading letters change, AC has always started from 1 again etc

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If you could travel back in time, I'd have made a note of the reg and chassis details on my grandfathers. Sadly it's not possible, I just remember when he died in 1968, my dad saying they simply told the government and they sent a man around to collect it and take it back. 

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42 minutes ago, Eyersey1234 said:

@LightBulbFun thanks for the explanation, it was just a thought. Certainly intriguing. 

Happy to help :) 

as a break down

the Model 43, the AC All weather tricycle, this was ACs first invalid vehicle introduced in about 1949-1950

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then in 1957 came the Model 57, AC Acedes Mk1-12 or Mk4-12 (its not entirely known if Mk1-3 where Acedes or All weather tricycles), it was available in both hard and floppy top options, powered by a 197cc villiers engine produced from 1957 to 1971

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then in 1958 upon request of the government, AC introduced the Model 64, an electric version of the Model 57 this one had no marketing name as it was solely intended for the government purchase (note the car in the picture is on false plates), there where 5 marks, produced from 1958 to 1972 (with the Mk4A introducing a sliding seat and the Mk5 had parallelogram front suspension)

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then in April or may 1967 the AC Acedes Mk14, Model 67 was introduced, this was basically the same platform of the Model 57, but fitted with an updated new fibreglass body

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then in June 1969 the AC Acedes Mk15 Model 67 was introduced, this added parallelogram front suspension which gave a nicer softer ride then then the previous C-tube suspension, and also IIRC prevented the front wheel from cambering when turning (an easy external clue to a Mk15 is the lack of front mold lines and the front towing eye)

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this completes the AC line up before the Model 70 :) 

its worth noting that its thought the reason the AC Model 57 and 64 remained in production even after the 67 and even 70 where introduced is because of its metal bolt together body, allowed for easier modifications to the body itself when adapting to say someone who needs an extra tall roof or something such, as shown bellow :) 

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(unofficially the tallest british car ever made! I think)

 

12 minutes ago, busmansholiday said:

If you could travel back in time, I'd have made a note of the reg and chassis details on my grandfathers. Sadly it's not possible, I just remember when he died in 1968, my dad saying they simply told the government and they sent a man around to collect it and take it back. 

I have thought about that from time to time, I recall you mentioned traveling it at one point in time

do you remember any details from that or which Invalid vehicle it was? :) (ie was it an Invacar Mk12 or an AC Model 57 etc?)

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so was going through the chassis numbers in the very low 6000's and I came across this one!

I did not expect to come across one so early!, seeing as the Model 64 was introduced in 1958, and this is from 1960, suddenly the production figure of 2182 makes more sense, (since I found SPB634F which is late Mid 7000's although funnily enough I cant seem to find any later than it, maybe the Mk4A switched to different chassis number format or not, I know the Mk5 did, but I already know the Mk5 chassis number format and I have gone through every single Mk5 chassis number, as mentioned a page or 2 back I believe there where 200 Mk5s produced)

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although the question still remains, why did they start from such a high number...

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10 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

so was going through the chassis numbers in the very low 6000's and I came across this one!

I did not expect to come across one so early!, seeing as the Model 64 was introduced in 1958, and this is from 1960, suddenly the production figure of 2182 makes more sense, (since I found SPB634F which is late Mid 7000's although funnily enough I cant seem to find any later than it, maybe the Mk4A switched to different chassis number format or not, I know the Mk5 did, but I already know the Mk5 chassis number format and I have gone through every single Mk5 chassis number, as mentioned a page or 2 back I believe there where 200 Mk5s produced)

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although the question still remains, why did they start from such a high number...

I have researched this sort of thing in the past with other makes of small-production vehicles, and I think you can read too much into chassis numbers.  They would probably have started from a convenient blank number which would leave space in the sequence for whatever else they were building at the time, and it is probable that not all available numbers would have been used.

It is interesting that some of the spare parts info that you have uploaded identifies change points by registration number, not chassis number, so maybe the factory didn't take the chassis numbers too seriously.

Have you been in touch with the AC owners club/register/whatever?  They may well have all the factory records even if they are not much interested in Invalid cars.  As this was a Government scheme it is also worth seeing if the Public Record Office have anything.

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7 hours ago, Eyersey1234 said:

Maybe it was to make it appear there were more built than there actually were. How many invalid vehicles of all varients did AC build? 

I dont think AC would do that but who knows!

sadly its not known how many AC all weather tricycles where produced

its said there were 13,155 Model 57's produced and 2182 Model 64s produced

and then 5928 Model 67's (this number I have personally verified to be true or at least very close to it!)

and 9175 DHSS AC Model 70's (excluding the prototypes and private cars) this one was relatively easy as I could add up all the chassis blocks and get a total figure :) 

5 hours ago, Mr Pastry said:

I have researched this sort of thing in the past with other makes of small-production vehicles, and I think you can read too much into chassis numbers.  They would probably have started from a convenient blank number which would leave space in the sequence for whatever else they were building at the time, and it is probable that not all available numbers would have been used.

It is interesting that some of the spare parts info that you have uploaded identifies change points by registration number, not chassis number, so maybe the factory didn't take the chassis numbers too seriously.

Have you been in touch with the AC owners club/register/whatever?  They may well have all the factory records even if they are not much interested in Invalid cars.  As this was a Government scheme it is also worth seeing if the Public Record Office have anything.

yes, its interesting, because AC generally didn't do this sort of thing,

for example each revision of the AC Model 67 got its own chassis number range starting from 1 each time

although its worth noting with how far back the Model 64 goes it may be they did things differently in 1958, I know the Model 57's from back then (or as far back as I can go) have some slight chassis number shinagians im still trying to figure out, (but its not quite the same thing)

funnily enough 769RPJ is now the oldest AC invalid vehicle I know of that still shows up on the DVLA checker, before that it was 594BGN and 1940PE

sadly from what I have seen the AC Owners club is not much use, maybe with ALB they are starting to warm up to them (sadly I have not heard back from the owner of ALB761A)

but for the longest of time they shunned invalid vehicles, and with AC going through so many owners etc most records are lost sadly, and apparently at one point AC point blank said they didn't make any invalid vehicles!

 

indeed on the spare parts list, its interesting, sometimes the spares book will give both registration and chassis number the change takes place from (it does this for the Model 70 section ie it says "Model 70 Mark B from registration no WPC751M (Chassis No xxxx)")

sometimes it will only give a registration number, as above, and sometimes it will only give a chassis number with no reg number as per a section in the Invacar Mk12 pages!

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On 12/2/2019 at 8:53 PM, LightBulbFun said:

the Model 43, the AC All weather tricycle, this was ACs first invalid vehicle introduced in about 1949-1950

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quick addendum to this section, just checked the brief pictorial history of the invalid tricycle, and it says 2000 Mk1's where produced and 1000 Mk2's so that makes for a total of 3000 AC All weather Tricycles :) 

sadly this nullifies a theory I had that perhaps the Model 64 chassis numbers continued on from the AC All weather tricycle for some reason

(I do know that in 1966, the Model 57's leading 2 chassis letters changed, but instead of starting from 1 again, it just continued from the previous 2 letters highest number)

 

although doing a bit of quick reg bashing, I wonder if the AC petite chassis numbers continued from the end of the AC All weather tricycle, and then from the end of the AC petite there the Model 64 continued onwards?

(as checking a few AC petites most return chassis numbers in the high 4000s to mid 5000s)

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19 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

 

although doing a bit of quick reg bashing, I wonder if the AC petite chassis numbers continued from the end of the AC All weather tricycle, and then from the end of the AC petite there the Model 64 continued onwards?

(as checking a few AC petites most return chassis numbers in the high 4000s to mid 5000s)

managed to get a chance to speak with Stuart last night, sadly, although the AC petite chassis numbers start from the 4000's or so, they run into the 6000's by the Mk2, so that would overlap with the Model 64, so its not a case of one following on from the other

 

we did make several very interesting Model 70 discoveries however :), its well known of course the Model 70 was designed by AC, and that Invacar had no involvement in the development of the Model 70

but it turns out that it was Invacar that was the one who did all the Mark B/Crash test safety improvements! from 1974 onwards (Chassis strengthening, Fuel tank modifications, Rollover bar mounting etc) Although its from after production had started, who knew that Invacar did end up involved with the Model 70 design eventually :) quite the bomb shell

you would of thought when the DHSS wanted a strengthened chassis and improved crash safety, they would of just let AC get on with it, but no it looks like Invacar was the one responsible for all that! maybe the DHSS finally took pity on them and gave them some design work to do finally?

(on the note of crash safety its interesting to note that the front mudguard assembly is listed as collapsable in the spare parts manual, I wonder if that counts as a form of front crumple zone :) )

 

there was also a proposed modifications for a rear mounted fuel tank but no manufacturer is attributed to that one sadly

 

another very interesting thing, is we figured out that most of the Model 70 front suspension design is dated to 1967 and attributed to AC, so that confirms that it was AC that developed the parallelogram front suspension, and backs up my theory

that the ministry must of seen it during Model 70 development and went "right I want both of you (AC and Invacar) to fit this suspension design to existing models" producing the AC Acedes Mk15, the Invacar Mk12E and the AC Model 64 Mk5

 

and we  also discovered there where 3 sizes of Model 70 steering wheel designs with Dates from Jan 1976, a 12 inch wheel a 13.5 inch wheel and a 15 inch wheel,

im pretty sure the 15 inch wheel is the Austin 1100 wheel seen on most steering wheel Model 70's but I wonder @Mrs6C if Dolly's wheel measures 13.5 inches in diameter?

it may explain dolly's unusual steering wheel (especially as Dolly is a November 1976 Model 70) as its always been on my mind, was that wheel a factory fitment or fitted after the fact

 

another interesting thing is how a lot of the base Model 70 design is dated to November 1970 seems like thats when they finished everything and where ready to go into production, but things took until June-July 1971 to finally get rolling, as seen with GPD781J-GPD830J

(its interesting to note that november 1970 is from after the user trial cars which seemingly date to July 1970)

(there are some November 1970 Model 70 bits attributed to Invacar, but all of it seems to be very small stuff like nuts and bolts and what have you)

 

also got a text message from my driving instructor, looks like he has got himself another car and has booked me in for another lesson this friday :) 

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Came across this sorry looking bit of blue fibreglass poking out from underneath a pile of dumped rubble in Darvel Scotland this week - Can any Invacar lickers confirm/rule out what it is?

Looked to have at least a partial plywood floor and the rear suspension looks quite distinctive if you know what your comparing it too i guess!

Didn't have time to dig about and see if there was anything else identifiable

 

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2 hours ago, coalnotdole said:

Came across this sorry looking bit of blue fibreglass poking out from underneath a pile of dumped rubble in Darvel Scotland this week - Can any Invacar lickers confirm/rule out what it is?

Looked to have at least a partial plywood floor and the rear suspension looks quite distinctive if you know what your comparing it too i guess!

Didn't have time to dig about and see if there was anything else identifiable

 

Dave

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very interesting find! its definitely not Model 70

I want to say Tippen Delta? but im not 100% sure (the partnering on the fibreglass makes me want to say AC, but it does not look like an AC Model 67, although iv not seen one up close in such detail yet sadly, and iv not seen the fibreglass patterning of a Tippen Delta yet)

if you can find the rest of it, you might find a Villiers 11E engine buried, those are worth a good bit of coin on their own

so if you (or anyone else!) need any incentive to go have another look at it for me there ya go :)

because im quite curious what it is, and where the rest of it is!

but I appreciate you having a looksy for me :) 

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12 minutes ago, doug said:

I am kind of local to Darvel if you want any help.

Also spotted this in the background of an advert in Cupar in Fife, is it on your list?

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/robinreliant/

Scroll down to 27 October.

Ah awesome good to know :) its not a high priority thing, but it would be neat to get some more photos and have a rumage around see if we can figure out what it was

and if anything can be salvaged from it!

(the Model 70/67 stuck in a bush in pembrokeshire and the Mk12 I found somewhere on facebook that @egg is chasing up are higher priorities as they are actually complete!)

 

as for the photo thanks for the heads up :)

Scott milne is a microcar collector and has a number of invalid vehicles including a few Model 70's I have been trying to ID his unknown Model 70's for a good few months now but he said he was abroad, however seeing the advert I messaged him just now asking if he is back in the UK, hopefully he is and I can finally ID his unknown Model 70's for my records and so he knows what he has!

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(of known Model 70's he owns LNO970P RPU821R and TTW991R, and then a couple unknown Model 70's including 1 Leg)

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4 hours ago, coalnotdole said:

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focusing on this specifically,

from speaking with Stuart, we think it might not actually be an invalid vehicle, but maybe either a Bond Minicar or some sort of 1960s caravan

as most fibreglass invalid vehicles had coil overs yo! as seen in this stripped Mk12 picture bellow, without a separate shock absorber which you can see in the above pic

 

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2 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

(the Model 70/67 stuck in a bush in pembrokeshire and the Mk12 I found somewhere on facebook that @egg is chasing up are higher priorities as they are actually complete!)

yeah, no further news on that one. Will chase again in a week or two, but clearly it's another slow burner.

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5 minutes ago, egg said:

yeah, no further news on that one. Will chase again in a week or two, but clearly it's another slow burner.

yeah I was going through your Mk12 thread earlier and was wondering how that one was doing :) 

 

(side got shared some pics of a stripped tippen Delta 2 which show a separate shock, but waiting permission to share the picture first)

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19 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

(side got shared some pics of a stripped tippen Delta 2 which show a separate shock, but waiting permission to share the picture first)

got permission to share the pics!

its what's left of a Poor Tippen Delta 2 that cropped up on ebay a few years ago

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you can see the separate shock absorber in this picture but i don't think it matches the remains in the rubble still?

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and I also got a couple more pictures of Model 70's going round the track in 1990 during the charity event, apparently it was for a children's charity hence the Model 70's being done up with cartoonish designs etc

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"welcome to the danger zone!" 

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and for completeness sake here is the shark one again

 

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these are pics that Stuart managed to find over the years on the internet, and just to clarify he was about 10 when this event took place so dont worry he didn't race any he was just happened to be an observer!

he says indeed the event took place at Standlake Arena near Oxford, after the main lot of 12-15 went round, it was then just singular invacars afterwards, and he recalls the last going round the track in 1994, but all 3 pics are from that same day in 1990

Poor Model 70's!

I do wonder if there was ever any fighting over a Specific control scheme layout or such, I cant imagine the single handed tiller would of been particularly popular among the racers!

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I think the shock absorber on the Tippen is actually a coilover with a casing around the spring - certainly doesn't match the remains in the earlier pictures.  All of which looks a bit too heavyweight (and in some parts home built) to be a Villiers powered invalid car.  It doesn't look much like Bond or Berkeley, and it is possibly not a powered vehicle at all.  It would be interesting to see more of it though.  FWIW I think the brakes are Lockheed.

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26 minutes ago, Mally said:

I owned one of those Reliant Regals when I was 16/17.

Drove it on a bike licence, 850cc side valve engine.

indeed I remember you posting about your reliant and was wondering if that brown one was of the same type since it has a canvas roof like you described yours having :) 

 

On 9/5/2019 at 11:28 AM, LightBulbFun said:

so I do wonder if when that user handbook was written, if the Tiller control option was just not an option/thing at that point in time? ie was it still in development, or was it not initially planned, but only added towards the start of production?

say if someone in the User trials complained "id like a 1 handed control layout please!" so they only added it later on?

bringing this back up as me and stuart did a bit more research on this, and indeed it looks like the tiller control option was only made an option later on in the Model 70's development cycle, after the User trial cars

most of the Tiller control stuff is dated to December 1970, which is good while after the user trial cars, and another thing to further the theory is this shot of the controls from the workshop manual 

the Steering wheel and handlebar controls show a version of the dash that never made it into production AFAIK (note the little egg shaped indents on the dash where the hand brake goes, iv never seen a production Model 70 with that)

where as the tiller control is of a production dash im pretty sure

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and on the first 2 the gear shift label is 3 separate stickers where as on the tiller control one its 1 sticker

and indeed the RNF sticker was not finalized until october 1970 where we suspect it became 1 sticker

so I suspect the first 2 pics are of user trial cars where as the tiller is of a later car, which explains why the drivers handbook for the Model 70 does not have a tiller page, since I guess it was first printed/produced for the people taking part in the user trials,

although im a bit surprised they never updated it with the tiller option/ for when the Model 70 entered production

one thing I have wondered is where there any prototype Model 70's produced between The user Trial cars of July 1970 and the First production cars of June/July 1971

 

(side note for those who don't know, if you ever see a quote and want to find the post that quote originated from, on the to pright corner of the quote there will normally be a little arrow button, if you click it, it will take you to the post the quote is from :) )

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      Well I've been meaning to sign up here in forever, but kept forgetting. Thanks to someone over on another forum I frequent poking me about it recently the subject was forced back into my very brief attention span for long enough to get me to act on the instruction.

      I figure that my little varied fleet might bring you lot some amusement...

      So...we've got:

      1993 Lada Riva 1.5E Estate (now fuel injected, as I reckon the later cars should have been from the factory...).
      1989 Saab 900i Automatic.
      1987 Skoda 120LX 21st Anniversary Special Edition.
      1985 Sinclair C5.
      2009 Peugeot 107 Verve.

      Now getting the photos together has taken me far longer than I'd expected...so you're gonna get a couple of photos of each car for now, and I'll come back with some more information tomorrow when I've got a bit more time...

      Firstly...The Lada. Before anyone asks - in response to the single question I get asked about this car: No, it is not for sale. Took me 13 years and my father's inheritance to find the thing.


      Yes, it's got the usual rusty wings...Hoping that will be resolved in the next couple of months.

       






      Next, a proper old Saab. One of the very last 8 valve cars apparently, and all the better for it. I've driven two 16v autos and they were horrible - the auto box works sooooo much better with the torque curve of the 8 valve engine. Just wish it had an overdrive for motorway cruising...









      Next up a *real* Skoda...back when they put the engine where it belongs, right out the back. In the best possible colour of course...eye-searingly bright orange.







      Seat covers have been added since that photo was taken as it suffers from the usual rotting seat cloth problem that affects virtually all Estelles.

      Then we have possibly the world's scruffiest Sinclair C5...



      Realised when looking for this that I really need to get some more photos of the thing...I use it often enough after all! We have a dog who's half husky, so this is a really good way of getting him some exercise.

      Finally - again, I really need to take more photos of - we have the little Pug 107.



      Included for the sake of variety even if it's a bit mainstream! First (and probably to be the only) new car I've bought, and has been a cracking little motor and has asked for very little in return for putting up with nearly three years of Oxford-Milton Keynes commuter traffic, before finally escaping that fate when my housemate moved to a new job. Now it doesn't do many miles and is my default car for "when I've managed to break everything else."

      I'll fill in some more details tomorrow - I warn you though that I do tend to ramble...
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