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320Touring's Citroen GSA. Boom, back in the room (unit) 11/07/2021


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That tank looks gorgeous! Don't forget to bleed the brakes right through and plenty of citrobatics! I found foot on the brake and lock to lock the steering on the xm purged the front end nicely too

We ran out of time for any brake bleeding today - it'll get done when the flush is coming out:)

 

The steering is manual on the GSA - no LHM involved!

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We ran out of time for any brake bleeding today - it'll get done when the flush is coming out:)

 

The steering is manual on the GSA - no LHM involved!

Id do it soon, get the hydra flush into the system!

 

I don't know how similar a gsa is to an xm or xant, so this might be bollocks but on the rear at least, it's a dead end, so the fluid gets to it, but can't circulate.

 

Plus being a hydro you just need to push the brake pedal down and keep it there with a broom or a burd then go round popping a wheel off and just opening the bleed nipple until it runs through, then top the resevouir up. The xm beeped when the coolant got low so I just kept the windows open and listened out,

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Id do it soon, get the hydra flush into the system!

 

I don't know how similar a gsa is to an xm or xant, so this might be bollocks but on the rear at least, it's a dead end, so the fluid gets to it, but can't circulate.

 

Plus being a hydro you just need to push the brake pedal down and keep it there with a broom or a burd then go round popping a wheel off and just opening the bleed nipple until it runs through, then top the resevouir up. The xm beeped when the coolant got low so I just kept the windows open and listened out,

I may let my bro tootle it about this week and drain some off wia the brakes next weekend - still got spare flush to top up

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Been out in this today to collect new tyres for the 335i

 

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My brother has done approx 250km with the flush in, and the rear suspension appears softer - very noticeably.

 

It's not as good as it should be, but it shows the flush is working.

 

We're hoping to bleed the rear brakes to draw the flush through fully at the weekend, and will top up as needed.

 

Another few hundred km should see it as time to drain the flush and swap the spheres, then refill with new LHM.

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  • 4 weeks later...

Over the last week while, the Burd and my bro mentioned that the GSA was getting grumpy to start..

 

I know its been running a bit rich, and the fuel runs back if left for a while.

 

Today, after sitting since Mon afternoon, I went to it and it wouldn't start.

 

No amount of choke/throttle or coaxing got it to fire - despite it coughing.

 

I used the primer bulb on the fuel line (dunno who fitted that?) And it still wouldn't start.

 

Left it for a couple of hrs incase it was flooded and no dice.

 

Any Ideas?

 

I know it's getting spark and fuel (at least intermittently) as it will cough. Battery is strong enough to o have spun it over enough to get the esuspension up so I could push it out the way and get the Merc out instead.

 

Any thoughts/ideas are welcome!

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In different cars which had the same symptoms as yours i.e. gradually increasing difficulty in starting, then wont start but will cough, the cause has been the points gap closing up (heal wear).  Resetting the gap restored normal running. Does yours even have points?

 

Before dismantling suspect systems, try Easystart in the intake.  If it fires convincingly, investigate the fuel side.  If the ignition system is electronic, I'm not aware of gradual failures - it's all or nothing.  

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Thanks chaps.

 

The plugs can get looked at tomorrow.

 

It does indeed have points, but they are the funny cassette points, and a right faff to get off,adjusted and refitted.

 

If it were points, I'd expect it to be grumpy even when running? - but no issues were reported when in use.

 

My gut says the rich running is at the heart of it - we shall see!

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It does indeed have points, but they are the funny cassette points, and a right faff to get off,adjusted and refitted.

Aye, S.E.V. Marchal. (I don't know if says anything about them that I currently have a Ducellier on the car).

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/19864651@N00/sets/72157624328682798

 

https://www.gs-gsa-ig.de/gsa/gsa.zuendung.htm

 

7) SEV Marchal 41301502 A401 GA8 GD4 24° @2500rpm 1299cc G13/625

Ducellier 525073C GA8 GD4 24° @2500

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Right, got a look at this today..

 

Sparkplugs are choked.

Have been cleaned and put back in.

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Apparently, according to several folk (Inc dollywobbler) the carb fuelling is contributing jetting - so I didn't touch the carb settings.

 

Folk on the G section Facebook group suggested the fuel lines In to the carb should be checked.

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One clip was a bit loose so I retightened it.

 

I think the air filter has seen better days.

 

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I also checked that the choke was functioning properly

 

Shut

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Open

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  • 3 months later...

 

Super progress on this today. 

With it earning it's MOT last week, I have had it as my daily for the last week (and 400km).

Daily driving it pointed out a fair few issues and frustrations that needed resolving to allow continuous use.

First thing to do was to assemble 3 Citroens (the Merc using Citroen derived tech for its rear suspension)

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A hearty breakfast was procured and consumed before a schlep to the unit.

 

I had a can of fuel in the boot of the GSA as one of the things to tackle today was replacement of the accelerator pump on the Carb, so I was running the car low on fuel.

I made it to the unit without need for the can, thankfully.

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The 4 screws to the left of the fuel pipe were removed, and the old unit was removed. FPB7  had diagnosed this failing as the likely source of the continual overfilling.

At the same time, given it was in the kit, I replaced the tiny fuel filter where the line goes into the Carb, the old one was past its best.

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Testing thereafter showed no petrol smell, and better starting. The drive home showed better responsiveness, and a generally happier drive:)

Back to the other things that needed doing:

An Oil change was completed

The cross over pipe connecting bolts were adjusted and retightened to stop small leaks

Then it was onto the big thing of the day..

Bodywork.

Since I have had this car, there have always been a few grot points needing attended to.

With the fact the car was either the only working one on fleet, or parked in a hedge whilst others were used, they had never been attended to.

Time to do something..

The drivers wing was the worst

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I didn't know what I'd find ..

I chipped of the loose filler ( the whole wing seemed to be coated in it)

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This wasn't cutting it, time to go full on!

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This approach was significantly more satisfying - rapid progress was made. They don't kid about when they print

"For rapid stock removal" on the flap wheel..

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As can be seen, it was pleasingly rot free under the filler.

What appeared to have happened was the filler was so thick it cracked, allowing water to infiltrate and start to rust.

Swapping to a grinder driven sanding pad, the wing was finished back a bit more for some investigation.

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Eventually, it was cleaned back enough to see that the wing was in solid shape, despite a few bumps and wobbles.

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This was dusted down in preparation for a temporary repair before finishing is conducted.

The next stage was a liberal application of Vactan.

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This dried to a most pleasing colour, so I drew inspiration from Dollywobbler, and just fucked 2 coats of lacquer on it until I get the Beige Colorado mixed up:)

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Heartened by the solidity of this old tub, I let evening dry off before treating it to a good wash and interior clean.

I'm well pleased with progress - now to order up a sphere removal tool and get the new spheres and LHM  in place.

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9 minutes ago, HMC said:

Great result! I always wondered what was going on with that front wing; had no idea it would be so solid underneath!

Yep, I was very pleased.

 

The lil bugger has got under the skin of my brother and I - well love GLF'ing it.

 

Should be even better after new spheres and LHM

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33 minutes ago, HMC said:

Also- I’ve got your old 320 auto coupe now!

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That's a good auld tub, and I know Supernaut did a power of work to it when he had it, so it should be a grand steer!

31 minutes ago, Split_Pin said:

Grand progress chaps. Wish I could have joined you, instead I had a thoroughly* enjoyable* time at a weans party.

There will be a next time :)

31 minutes ago, Tickman said:

That is an ace result on the wing.

Cheers, I was pretty damn pleased. Hardest bit will be getting it painted up ok

28 minutes ago, Broadsword said:

Impressive work on the Citroen there.

Thanks

24 minutes ago, Fumbler said:

That wing looks fantastic. Fantastic car too.

Aye, it's a wee cracker - glad I bought it sight unseen. Cannae see past it as an automobile.

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