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[Tadhg Tiogar 10996]

28 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

He was mid twenties according to my dad. Car is one of the newest and 32 years old.  Even at car meetings few seem to know what it is.

 

a recent favourite photo.

'Tis said that the young have no sense of history,  yet they are very adept at deleting it.

[High Jetter 1455]

37 minutes ago, Tadhg Tiogar said:

yet they are very adept at deleting it.

It's a good skill to learn. I saw a late MR2 today, it looked tiny.

[wuvvum 34283]

Well my £4.27 eBay special GPS antenna arrived today, so this evening after work I went out and plugged it into the Rover's sat nav computer.

That's a bit more like it.  

It took a while longer to lock onto the signal than the OEM antenna did when it was working, but then it's physically much smaller so that's understandable.  I initially plonked it on the roof of the car (it's magnetic) with the wire running in through the tailgate window to give it as much chance of picking up a signal as possible - it took a few minutes to pick up the full complement of satellites and a bit longer than that to download the Almanac, but once that was done a quick drive round the block revealed that I once again have working sat nav.  So thanks to @SiC for suggesting a replacement antenna.  

Once I was sure it'd locked on to the GPS signal I took the antenna off the roof and stuck it inside the rear wing in the sat nav compartment.  The signal wasn't quite as good there - it'd occasionally drop off momentarily - but it was still good enough to be usable, so I'm going to leave it there for the time being until I figure out the best place for a permanent installation.

It's still taking a few attempts to read the DVD though, so I'm still going to run a cleaning disc through it once that turns up.

[bunglebus 14890]

Well that's gonna bugger things up

Government to ban sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles from 2030

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-54981425?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

[SRi05 3837]

11 minutes ago, bunglebus said:

Well that's gonna bugger things up

Government to ban sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles from 2030

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-54981425?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

Think of the shite that'll be driving about in 2050 

[Tadhg Tiogar 10996]

15 minutes ago, bunglebus said:

Well that's gonna bugger things up

Government to ban sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles from 2030

Maybe they'll just be coming out of Covid restrictions by that time....

[sierraman 15783]

The Government says a lot of things, it just goes to show how out of touch with reality they are with normal working class people. 

[leanycan 892]

Is this 2030 ban just a proposed date, or is it actually official? The 2040 ban was achievable? In 9 years how are they going to do this? Where is the plan, or is this just another move to force the working man off the road?

[sierraman 15783]

10 minutes ago, leanycan said:

Is this 2030 ban just a proposed date, or is it actually official? The 2040 ban was achievable? In 9 years how are they going to do this? Where is the plan, or is this just another move to force the working man off the road?

As you say it’s to force the working class off the road. They’ll have you either do that or finance yourself up to the bollocks 

[leanycan 892]

13 minutes ago, sierraman said:

As you say it’s to force the working class off the road. They’ll have you either do that or finance yourself up to the bollocks 

I don't understand it though. Likes of myself who rely on their car for a not so well payed job and need to travel. What do we do then? I don't have a lot of savings in the bank to buy a 10 year old car, let alone an electric car and don't earn anywhere near enough to finance a car and cope with all household bills whilst still having disposable income. Surely this has to be the time where we look to alternative fuels. 

The "go electric" rhetoric really annoys me. I like the idea of electric cars and I think there is a future for them but it is dissapointing to see that alternative fuels aren't even being considered. However, if history has taught us anything with batteries are not really reliable, constant need to be charged and plugged in all the time. There is the argument to say that ICE cars using diesel and petrol have the same problem, need to be filled up all the time and are expensive which I get.  

Are battery powered EV's any better? At my work we use lithium ion batteries to power to power some of the forklift trucks and ppt's we use. These trucks must be between 7-10 years old and according to a work colleague they have to replace them every 18-24 months as they are rubbish. Some of the batteries won't last a full 7 hours of use. 

In summary I just think this hasn't been thought through. Cars are a personal freedom for a lot of people, a lot of people rely on them to make them money. If people can no longer afford to do that, they either have to take public transport which is still expensive and doesn't always get you to where you need to be or on time. 

I just see it as a tactic to win over the environmentalist vote. It's really sad times we are living in. 

[sierraman 15783]

To put it bluntly they couldn’t give a rats arse about someone in yours or my position. Too busy listening to air heads like Greta Thunderbird or whatever they call her. 

[leanycan 892]

4 minutes ago, sierraman said:

To put it bluntly they couldn’t give a rats arse about someone in yours or my position. Too busy listening to air heads like Greta Thunderbird or whatever they call her. 

I don't normally get riled up by anything on the news but this has really fucked me off.

[SiC 20601]

What's the issue here? It's not banning petrol or diesel cars, just the sale of NEW ones. Going to be plenty of diesel and petrol cars still around for a good while longer. 

[SRi05 3837]

You'd like to think in 10 years electric cars will be a lot more affordable as the used market emerges for them 

[SiC 20601]

But does it matter if they're not in 10yrs? Cars new now will be 10yrs old, 10yr old cars will be 20yrs old. Between the age that many on here have as daily drivers. Plenty of decent 5-10yr old petrol/diesel cars available now that will be available then.

When the last petrol/diesel cars sold in 2030, it'll be 2045 when they are 15 years old and start coming into our price bracket. Likewise petrol/diesel cars sold in 2025 will be still only 20 years old in 2045. 

That's 25 years off. By which point there will be plenty of cheap electric cars.

I'm in my mid 30s now, by that point I'll be 60yrs old and starting to think about retirement. 

[Jazoli 5135]

51 minutes ago, SiC said:

What's the issue here? It's not banning petrol or diesel cars, just the sale of NEW ones. Going to be plenty of diesel and petrol cars still around for a good while longer. 

I agree, lots of misplaced ire and anger, over nothing really.

[Kiltox 16943]

If you can’t/won’t/would never because OMG depreciation/whatever buy a new petrol car today, why are you worried about not being able to do so in 10 years time? There will still be plenty of old shitboxes around, asking prices might firm up a little mind. 🤦‍♂️ 

[Jazoli 5135]

1 hour ago, sierraman said:

As you say it’s to force the working class off the road. They’ll have you either do that or finance yourself up to the bollocks 

Just how is it going to force you off the roads exactly? Do you buy brand new cars now then? 

[stripped fred 2577]

22 minutes ago, SiC said:

But does it matter if they're not in 10yrs? Cars new now will be 10yrs old, 10yr old cars will be 20yrs old. Between the age that many on here have as daily drivers. Plenty of decent 5-10yr old petrol/diesel cars available now that will be available then.

When the last petrol/diesel cars sold in 2030, it'll be 2045 when they are 15 years old and start coming into our price bracket. Likewise petrol/diesel cars sold in 2025 will be still only 20 years old in 2045. 

That's 25 years off. By which point there will be plenty of cheap electric cars.

I'm in my mid 30s now, by that point I'll be 60yrs old and starting to think about retirement.

I agree, although road tax rates might affect this thinking. I can imagine diesels and petrols being taxed heavily. 

[Tadhg Tiogar 10996]

Just now, stripped fred said:

I agree, although road tax rates might affect this thinking. I can imagine diesels and petrols being taxed heavily. 

Just need to hang on long enough for VED exemption, or look for a VED-exempt car if the prospect of electric cars is unattractive. 

[SiC 20601]

1 hour ago, stripped fred said:

I agree, although road tax rates might affect this thinking. I can imagine diesels and petrols being taxed heavily. 

It could well happen but if you look at existing tax rates on older cars, there has been no big jump.

We're more likely to see heavier taxes on electric cars. Current taxing schemes don't cover them and there will be more of them on the roads than fuel based eventually. 

[sickboy 1098]

I have no interest in new cars now, so whatever plastic apparitions they are selling in 2030 won't be of any interest to me then either. There will still be chod around for decades to come. There's just too many ICE cars on the planet to render them all redundant. 

Besides, won't surprise me in the slightest if between now and 2030 they sneak a total withdrawal from their commitment to the 2030 deadline under the radar. 

It's fundamentally an economic decision, not an environmental one.  If politicians were most concerned about the what's best for the environment,  they'd drastically reduce making new cars and encourage us to keep running the ICE cars we have.  Unfortunately smoking about in old chod just doesn't earning them enough TAX. 

[Stanky 9548]

No government seems to expect to be in power beyond the next election, so they can say what they want about 2030 TBH, even if they are in power it won't be the same faces so they might as well say we'll all be driving micro-fusion skycars and living in space for all it matters. Its just headline grabbing drivvel with zero substance behind it.

[sickboy 1098]

Just now, Stanky said:

No government seems to expect to be in power beyond the next election, so they can say what they want about 2030 TBH, even if they are in power it won't be the same faces so they might as well say we'll all be driving micro-fusion skycars and living in space for all it matters. Its just headline grabbing drivvel with zero substance behind it.

Never a truer word spoken . They're all two-faced spoilt Eton boys in it for themselves 

[Eyersey1234 1776]

3 hours ago, leanycan said:

I don't understand it though. Likes of myself who rely on their car for a not so well payed job and need to travel. What do we do then? I don't have a lot of savings in the bank to buy a 10 year old car, let alone an electric car and don't earn anywhere near enough to finance a car and cope with all household bills whilst still having disposable income. Surely this has to be the time where we look to alternative fuels. 

The "go electric" rhetoric really annoys me. I like the idea of electric cars and I think there is a future for them but it is dissapointing to see that alternative fuels aren't even being considered. However, if history has taught us anything with batteries are not really reliable, constant need to be charged and plugged in all the time. There is the argument to say that ICE cars using diesel and petrol have the same problem, need to be filled up all the time and are expensive which I get.  

Are battery powered EV's any better? At my work we use lithium ion batteries to power to power some of the forklift trucks and ppt's we use. These trucks must be between 7-10 years old and according to a work colleague they have to replace them every 18-24 months as they are rubbish. Some of the batteries won't last a full 7 hours of use. 

In summary I just think this hasn't been thought through. Cars are a personal freedom for a lot of people, a lot of people rely on them to make them money. If people can no longer afford to do that, they either have to take public transport which is still expensive and doesn't always get you to where you need to be or on time. 

I just see it as a tactic to win over the environmentalist vote. It's really sad times we are living in. 

I agree 

[adw1977 5049]

In any case, hybrids will not banned from sale in 2030, so it will still be possible to buy a new car with a petrol or diesel engine as long as it also has an electric motor.

[artdjones 4055]

I wonder how the vast increase in generating capacity and the many millions of extra charging facilities would be provided?

[SiC 20601]

435k before needing an engine change:

 

Owner selling because they couldn't be bothered to replace the clutch: (first one I came to)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284080374654

Loads of other examples of cars going to die because of minor faults, Etcetera. 

There are far more enough cars around to keep us going for a long time if people were prepared to fix existing vehicles. Admittedly UK is one of the worst for it - many/most people in other countries will repair rather than replace. 

[stripped fred 2577]

I think it's just politics really. Headlines to divert us from other issues that they would rather not talk about...

[gm 8949]

On 11/11/2020 at 1:58 PM, gm said:

This has been abandoned outside my place for a few days, no one seems to know who it belongs to (although I suspect the neighbours probably blamed me at first)

taxed and insured but the mot is a month out of date 

 

On 11/12/2020 at 5:22 PM, DVee8 said:

There is/was a blue Peugeot van parked where this parked,maybe he has bought the blue one and wants you to take that one.

it would appear that both vans do indeed belong to the same chap - who does live in our street - the ex gpo red one is apparently sold to one of his mates who will be picking it up soon...hmm, not convinced on that one