wuvvum Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 So I am now the proud owner of a slightly* dented 2012 Lancia Chrysler Ypsilon. First time in ages that I've owned a car that is still in production (albeit not sold on these shores anymore). It was slightly daft to buy an 875cc shopping car on the other side of the country and get the train up to drive it back based on a rather sparse description, but it all worked out as well as I could have hoped. It's a funny little thing, the Ypsilon. I'd been wanting to try a Twin Air engine for a while, and this was the cheapest road legal Twin Air-powered car I'd seen for sale, so I went for it. Reading contemporary road tests though, they all seem to concur that the Twin Air isn't really suited to the Ypsilon, and I can kind of see what they mean. The Ypsilon is designed as a sort of semi-luxurious small car (much as its direct ancestor the Y10 was), and the Twin Air isn't really a "luxury" engine. It's a buzzy little thing that needs thrashing to make much in the way of progress, so it's great fun but not exactly relaxing. It also really doesn't like pulling from low revs - it gets rather vibratory if you labour it, as vertical twins have a tendency to do. It's fine on the motorway though, 70mph is just over 3,000rpm but being a twin it sounds like it's revving a lot lower than that. Performance is decent rather than rapid, but pretty good given the diminutive engine. Ride isn't bad at all for a modern small car - the suspension is slightly firmer than the diesel C2 but the longer wheelbase means it feels less bouncy. I tried chucking it round a couple of bends on the A628 in the brief period when I wasn't stuck in a line of traffic, and it seems to handle well enough, although the steering is slightly devoid of feel as is the modern way. It's not as well soundproofed as I'd expected and there's a fair bit of road noise at motorway speeds - although to be fair I did have the back seat down to fit my bike in which won't have been helping. The driving position is also rather Italian (bent legs, straight arms) which I thought was a thing of the past by 2012 but evidently not. It's comfortable enough though, and doesn't feel cramped at all. The stereo sounds pretty decent too for a small car. Being a mid-range SE it gets aircon and a sunroof, but no cruise control and electric windows in the front only. Apart from the obvious bodywork issues there are a few minor faults with it. The only one I need to rectify immediately is the offside rear indicator is out. So is the rear fog but I never use those anyway. The dash display is also very dim (couldn't see it at all in daylight) and flickers somewhat, but that just displays the mileage and (presumably) the trip computer functions, which I can live without. The instruments (speedo, rev counter, fuel gauge and, wonder of wonders, temp gauge) all work fine. The other electrical issue is that the headlights are on all the time when the ignition is on - the light switch doesn't seem to do anything. Better that than not having them work at all though. The dipped beams are pretty shite, annoyingly, although main beam is fine. The car also has working rear parking sensors - the only car in the current fleet where they actually work. I haven't tried the A/C yet. Fuel consumption seems to be on a par with the diesel C2, which is pretty good going. In fact I can see this taking over commuting duties once commuting is a thing again - 60-odd mpg and zero VED means it's going to be a pretty cheap thing to run. On Saturday I went and picked up the Swift from my mate's place and brought it home to give it a once over before its MOT on Tuesday. Only areas of worry I found were a small area at the back of the nearside sill which feels a little soft, and the exhaust is blowing round the join for the cat, which I will gun gum up for the test. Obvs there may be other issues with brakes etc, but I've checked the obvious (lights, indicators, wipers, horn, tyres etc) and they all seem fine. It has done almost no miles in the last few years so there shouldn't be much in the way of wear on anything, but sitting around doesn't stop rust and it also doesn't do braking systems a lot of good. Speaking of which, the job I had planned for Saturday afternoon was to do the brake pads on the Innocenti. That didn't happen though. I got the calipers off, prised out the old pads and the (knackered) retaining springs, only to find that the pistons looked like this. There's no way those are going to clean up well enough to be able to be wound back in without shredding the seals, so new pistons will be required. I'm wavering between buying a piston and seal kit and attempting a rebuild, or forking out a bit more and buying a pair of replacement calipers, which will be a lot less faff. They're standard Mini items so not stupidly expensive - although the bits I've bought for the car are really starting to add up... mitsisigma01, Asimo, Stanky and 9 others 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 10 hours ago, wuvvum said: No pez shot yet as it had a third of a tank, but I've pulled into a layby on the A628 for a bite to eat. I've bought a car with no logbook off a Scouser. What could possibly go wrong? The south's the other way m9, your car's facing Manc! That's my part of the world, I live a couple of miles from the end of the M67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Nice work, the drive back will have done it the world of good. How well do the twinair engines cope with high mileages? Re the innocenti brakes, from bitter experience I would suggest replacing the complete caliper rather than fiddling about with a repair kit, or potentially even contacting biggred and seeing how much to refurb these. It's a bit more expensive but even if you mentally charge your time a £5/hour then outright replacement will be substantially cheaper I suspect. Also you have a better chance of getting the bleed nipples to crack off with brand new ones! wuvvum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Put Cataclean in on the stated 1/4 tank, checked the air filter which was spotless, did an oil and filter change, took the Cav for a long run, drove great but didn't even bother testing it. Went straight on the emissions but they were 0.7 when they should be 0.2. I don't really know what that means but its a country mile out. They are going to have a look into why they are so high but, given that I have tried just about all the options I don't think it looks good. He asked how I managed to get it through last year but I obviously couldn't answer that as I've only had it a couple of months. Going to complete the test just to see what the rest is like anyway. Pretty disappointed after all the work I put in but at least I gave it my best shot up to this point. Just glad I didn't sell the Corsa. puddlethumper, Jerzy Woking, Lacquer Peel and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Well in spite of that Conversation, this certainly looks like its worth persevering with. Jerzy Woking, Skizzer, 320touring and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 How much is a new cat @Split_Pin? That suggests to me that its either original and knackered, or (more likely) a shit pattern/aftermarket one thats just not working. Split_Pin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw118 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 17 hours ago, wuvvum said: I've bought a car with no logbook off a Scouser. What could possibly go wrong? You utter SUNROOF wuvvum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Ghosty said: The south's the other way m9, your car's facing Manc! Yep, but the scenery's better on that side of the road, and the Ypsilon has a good turning circle... Ghosty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, Stanky said: How much is a new cat @Split_Pin? That suggests to me that its either original and knackered, or (more likely) a shit pattern/aftermarket one thats just not working. It was replaced together with the downpipe a wee while ago and it still looks new. I haven't priced one up but it could be a shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Split_Pin said: It was replaced together with the downpipe a wee while ago and it still looks new. I haven't priced one up but it could be a shout. does it have any form of OBD or does it pre-date that? I assume with a cat its fuel injected rather than carb? Split_Pin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 No OBD, its just the paperclip in the diagnostic socket in the engine and you count the flashes. I got number 12 which means no codes stored. Single point injection too. Stanky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 On 4/18/2021 at 9:26 AM, reb said: It's 9am on a Sunday and I've already been awake 5 hours. This is not by choice nor is it for a particularly good reason, I just woke up from a couple of hours of fairly shitty sleep and couldn't get back to sleep. I gave up entirely on sleep at 6 and had a coffee in the back garden. Honestly it's been quite a pleasant morning, I'd pay good money to be awake for the sun coming up every day, but there is one problem. What do you do with so much day? We try to get up in time for the sunrise every day. It's a bit dismal through the winter, but since the clocks went forward a couple of weeks ago it's been great. We've the alarm set for 05:15 at the mo. Downstairs, cup of coffee then out in the car to the next village where we walk the dog & watch the sun come up over the Amazon... The downside is that we're in bed by 21:15, but it's not like there's anything on the telly is it? BorniteIdentity, Skizzer, Tickman and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorniteIdentity Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Apparently, "The Bill" might come back to TV which is an opportunity to remind myself that 1) My perfect Ford Escort was in the 1995 onwards opening credits Sierra Sapphire's still look smart today I'm still annoyed that they overdubbed brake sounds whilst the white Sierra was clearly still accelerating Honey Harman was a solid 14/9. Burnside, warren t claim, Split_Pin and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Split_Pin said: No OBD, its just the paperclip in the diagnostic socket in the engine and you count the flashes. I got number 12 which means no codes stored. Single point injection too. Those were the days none of this plug it in bollocks that tells you a rough direction as to what might be wrong. 🤣 Split_Pin and Stanky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, BorniteIdentity said: Apparently, "The Bill" might come back to TV which is an opportunity to remind myself that 1) My perfect Ford Escort was in the 1995 onwards opening credits Sierra Sapphire's still look smart today I'm still annoyed that they overdubbed brake sounds whilst the white Sierra was clearly still accelerating Honey Harman was a solid 14/9. I was always more of a Gina Gold man myself. BorniteIdentity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, sierraman said: Those were the days none of this plug it in bollocks that tells you a rough direction as to what might be wrong. 🤣 Sorts the brains from the brain dead. The garage promised they'd phone me right back this morning, obviously I haven't heard a thing because they just hope that a problem, which they clearly haven't even got a clue about, will just go away. Never move to the Falkirk area if you have an old car, it'll not see another MOT pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I’d like to think an MOT will be same wherever you go. SiC and Split_Pin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheezey Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, Split_Pin said: Sorts the brains from the brain dead. The garage promised they'd phone me right back this morning, obviously I haven't heard a thing because they just hope that a problem, which they clearly haven't even got a clue about, will just go away. Never move to the Falkirk area if you have an old car, it'll not see another MOT pass. I find garages/blokes in sheds in this area frustrating. Tried a few and I’m never 100% happy with the experience. Which garage is it with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, Cheezey said: I find garages/blokes in sheds in this area frustrating. Tried a few and I’m never 100% happy with the experience. Which garage is it with? I think that’s same wherever you go actually, there’s the ones that are cheap enough but they’re playing at it. Then there’s the ones that have all the kit to tackle any job but they’re £££ and don’t want to know about old cars. Split_Pin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, sierraman said: I’d like to think an MOT will be same wherever you go. I know I'm just frustrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheezey Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, sierraman said: I think that’s same wherever you go actually, there’s the ones that are cheap enough but they’re playing at it. Then there’s the ones that have all the kit to tackle any job but they’re £££ and don’t want to know about old cars. What you want from a garage: 1. A good job 2. Good customer service ie it gets done promptly and some communication 3. Fair price I always find you can only ever get to pick two on that list. My wife’s car goes into the dealer, a good job, great customer service but expensive. Skizzer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, Split_Pin said: I know I'm just frustrated. What I should have said was an MOT should be the same wherever you go. Have they managed to nail what it actually is that’s causing the emissions to fail? Split_Pin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Cheezey said: What you want from a garage: 1. A good job 2. Good customer service ie it gets done promptly and some communication 3. Fair price I always find you can only ever get to pick two on that list. My wife’s car goes into the dealer, a good job, great customer service but expensive. Worryingly it seems anyone can set up in a unit and call themselves a garage. They could be completely clueless. You couldn’t for instance set yourself up as a plumber with the same level of lack of supervision. Split_Pin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, Cheezey said: I find garages/blokes in sheds in this area frustrating. Tried a few and I’m never 100% happy with the experience. Which garage is it with? Automec in Bo'ness had it a month, fobbed me off big time until I sent a beavertail to take it off them. 5 garages in the area didn't want to know. The only place that was interested in it was Central MOTs in Banknock but that was just welding I had done. Its now with Canalbank Motors who are good with anything from 2000 which all of my cars just squeak into but this old thing appears to have them stumped. Why they don't just say so is beyond me. I won't think any less of them! I personally think its the Cat but the cheapest one on ebay is £163 so I'm ignoring that thought for the time being. The car has cost me a small fortune now and it still not roadworthy. I'm reaching the point where I'd lose money if I sold it and I'd rather not be out of pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheezey Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 That is very frustrating. I’m not familiar with either of those garages. Do you think it might have been a shite new cat put on before? I’ve heard before of repro cats only lasting an MoT or two. I can’t really think of anywhere else to use. I’ve been using SOS in Falkirk, they are usually working on a few older cars at any given time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 You need to find somewhere that’ll stick the gas analyser on something else to bypass it. Have you tried a bottle of Cataclean and get it really hot before the emissions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorniteIdentity Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I think - with garages right now - there are a few things going on. 1. There's a lot of work. A LOT. Thousands of people basically moth-balled their car last year and deferred maintenance. 2. Staffing. I'm hearing this, albeit anecdotally, quite a lot at the moment. Garages are struggling to get staff - there just aren't the CVs there used to be. 3. Batteries, exhausts and servicing is easy money. Even an ape like me can do it. An exhaust takes 30 minutes but you charge for the hour etc. My local trusted garage is just swimming in work. I wanted some tyres fitting and, as a regular customer (who even buys petrol there) was asked to wait two weeks and two days. For a simple, straightforward job. Other work I have to take the car an hour away into Hertfordshire just to guarantee I get a good job but they are expensive (£80ph). However, you get what you pay for and everything always comes back immaculately done with quality parts etc blah. Stay patient with them @Split_Pin - I think they'll come good for you. At 0.7 something is terribly, terribly wrong. I wouldn't even expect it to be that high with a straight through piece of scaffold pipe. Excuse my ignorance, but does it have two lambda sensors (one either side of the cat?). It will (if I'm correct) help control the fuelling and so it could be one of those that's not in the rudest of health. Split_Pin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 My favourite local garage: 43 minutes ago, Cheezey said: What you want from a garage: 1. A good job ✅ 2. Good customer service ie it gets done promptly and some communication ✅ 3. Fair price ✅ I always find you can only ever get to pick two on that list. My wife’s car goes into the dealer, a good job, great customer service but expensive. 1. Always done something well and I've never anything come back bodged. 2. I have a friendly chat with them. They've always let me know what they've done and if it's work they're prepared to take on. Almost always yes, only time they've said no was on a Laguna V6 cambelt. Which is probably fair as it's a big transverse V6 with vvti. 3. Fifty quid an hour (iirc), especially in Bristol is very reasonable. I do wonder if that's their old rate which they still give to me though. So I get to pick all three. Is there a catch? Yes, they get very busy and even urgent work is at least a week ahead. Recently they've been two weeks ahead on anything but MOTs. I do try to recommend them where I can. Unfortunately that doesn't help with their busyness! Split_Pin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 The EGR was blanked off some years ago but I doubt its that. The garage finally phoned me, he said he's confident that the o2 sensor is responsible for the overfueling. He can get one for £40 which is cheaper than I can get it so its worth a shot. I agree garages are awful just now. Just because they're in demand though doesn't mean its always going to be that way. People will get pissed off and either go somewhere else, or, heaven forbid, buy a new car. I was thinking of farming out the timing belt job but I'm fairly certain I'm doing that myself now. Jim Bell, Burnside, Tickman and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatylight Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 hours ago, BorniteIdentity said: Apparently, "The Bill" might come back to TV which is an opportunity to remind myself that 1) My perfect Ford Escort was in the 1995 onwards opening credits Sierra Sapphire's still look smart today I'm still annoyed that they overdubbed brake sounds whilst the white Sierra was clearly still accelerating Honey Harman was a solid 14/9. Married to Lewis Hamilton... Split_Pin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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