bezzabsa Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 OK just had a nosey through Ebay putting in random cars from my past! FFS - when did 'average' stuff get stoopidly expensive?? Mk2 RS2000 shell (in half I may add ) £3000Bog standard roughish LHD MK2 escort £3500Cortinas are now hitting £5k Mini vans...all appear to be Over £10k..I paid £250 in 1989 - wasnt that long ago....was it?? looks like allegro's are starting to get noticed too, £1500 and up I think the scrappage killed a lot of 'average' cars so all those that are left are rising in price slowly....even modern tatt seems to be silly, I paid £300 for my 2003 5 door fezzta zetec 1.4 with 94k - just looked about and with over 100k they average at £900+ WHATS GONE WRONG WITH FOLK?????? eddyramrod, Lord Sterling and ProgRocker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggers Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 OK just had a nosey through Ebay putting in random cars from my past! FFS - when did 'average' stuff get stoopidly expensive?? Mk2 RS2000 shell (in half I may add ) £3000Bog standard roughish LHD MK2 escort £3500Cortinas are now hitting £5k Mini vans...all appear to be Over £10k..I paid £250 in 1989 - wasnt that long ago....was it?? looks like allegro's are starting to get noticed too, £1500 and up I think the scrappage killed a lot of 'average' cars so all those that are left are rising in price slowly....even modern tatt seems to be silly, I paid £300 for my 2003 5 door fezzta zetec 1.4 with 94k - just looked about and with over 100k they average at £900+ WHATS GONE WRONG WITH FOLK??????Same as it ever was. What was once average begins to become rare and desirable and is replaced by a new average. Enjoy these days of dirt cheap Rover 200's etc, they won't last forever. Sent from my SM-A310F using Tapatalk Cavcraft, Eddie Honda, danthecapriman and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyBastard Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 OK just had a nosey through Ebay putting in random cars from my past! FFS - when did 'average' stuff get stoopidly expensive?? Mk2 RS2000 shell (in half I may add ) £3000Bog standard roughish LHD MK2 escort £3500Cortinas are now hitting £5k Mini vans...all appear to be Over £10k..I paid £250 in 1989 - wasnt that long ago....was it?? looks like allegro's are starting to get noticed too, £1500 and up I think the scrappage killed a lot of 'average' cars so all those that are left are rising in price slowly....even modern tatt seems to be silly, I paid £300 for my 2003 5 door fezzta zetec 1.4 with 94k - just looked about and with over 100k they average at £900+ WHATS GONE WRONG WITH FOLK?????? Who gives a shit? Bucketeer and Junkman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Longbridge Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 http://bfy.tw/Er5a D Spares & Tyres and Junkman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffcortinacentre Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Mate has managed to scrape £200 for an average condition o4 fiesta ding in rear wing 10 month mot.Ideal wbod, can't give stuff away up here.Was up for £400 constantly getting wanna be brewers offering £100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bezzabsa Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 Mate has managed to scrape £200 for an average condition o4 fiesta ding in rear wing 10 month mot.Ideal wbod, can't give stuff away up here.Was up for £400 constantly getting wanna be brewers offering £100.Its like that down here, adverts not in English...then the usual 'Last price' crap, or 'wanna swop 4 xbox' from the unwashed yoof of today.. oldcars 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyramrod Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Who gives a shit?Uncalled-for. The thread title is a perfectly valid question about the state of life today. I just wish I knew what the answer was, apart from "we're surrounded by rampant stupidity and it's getting worse daily." oldcars, gordonbennet, strangeangel and 15 others 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplebargeken Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I always find that the price of something increases the nanosecond I get rid and then decide I want another one. Twiggy, privatewire, Talbot and 13 others 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecapriman Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 This is why I hate selling stuff. I was lucky to get stuff once, maybe twice but just about everything I like is now rare and therefore either £megabucks or £scenetax.Don't sell or scrap anything! Twiggy, Yoss, fordperv and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 This odd pattern is well established, it started the moment a Ford Escort of all things could achieve a penny over its weighing in value. There's a type of strange person who will have a greater desire for old shit when it's perceived as expensive and / or meets some exalted yet worthless approval of others, makes them feel good about themselves to believe they are the top monkey / Billy big bollocks. It's a pity the race has yet to completely evolve past the old primate malarkey, if anything is pulling a U-turn. Maybe one day they'll all just whip their knobs out and settle the tedious and long running contest of who has the biggest. In the meantime enjoy choosing superior stuff that's way cheap with your own thinking. Twiggy, Sigmund Fraud, LT84 and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinmasters Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 OK just had a nosey through Ebay putting in random cars from my past! FFS - when did 'average' stuff get stoopidly expensive??. The short answer is 'when you became middle-aged'. The long answer is that anything with any sort of following will increase in value at some point. When, and how much by, is anybody's guess. Twiggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Same as it ever was. What was once average begins to become rare and desirable and is replaced by a new average. Enjoy these days of dirt cheap Rover 200's etc, they won't last forever. Sent from my SM-A310F using Tapatalk Rover 200s will always be cheap. OMG HONDA ENGINE notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Rover 200s will always be cheap. OMG HONDA ENGINE notwithstanding.No, they'll go up eventually. Everything becomes more expensive as it gets rarer. rOvers are still being thrown over the bridge, so eventually there will be a very limited number left, and hence a premium price. I would never have thought a tatty old Horizon would be worth anything more than scrap... I got three of mine for free 15/20 years ago, but even something as utterly disasterous as a Horizon will now sell for over a Grand. Because they so rarely come up for sale. And I quite fancy another. Cheggers, Braddon81, skoda_fan and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MB Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Everything goes up, even Rover 200s. I had an SD3 213 for my first legal car. It was over 20 years old at the time and mint, classic little old couple car, paid £250. The very few left now fetch a lot more, in spite of them being in no way seen as a classic. We just have to make the most of the lengthy, but finite period of shite being worth fuck all. skoda_fan, Justin Case and laser wheels 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoda_fan Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 I always find that the price of something increases the nanosecond I get rid and then decide I want another one.PBK's post is so true. For instance I've paid between £0 and £500 for all my previous Estelles. Had to pay a four-figure sum for my current one. Annoyingly this phenomenon never applies to me....I know if I decided to get rid it'd suddenly be worth £peanuts, only to appear sold again on ebay in due course for £megabucks. Twiggy, purplebargeken, Talbot and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 To be fair some of the prices are actually coming down,it may not seem it as they are still too expensive! But then again there are chancers Ive seen some old Fords for £8k it shocks you but in matter of a fact a year or two ago those cars were £20k its still insane whatever the price!Want to know the real reason? Your on it now,The Interwebs!You see before the interwebs people like us dragged mk1 Escorts out of hedges and gave old Harold or Edna who is 93 you know £60 for them.we would tow them home fix them up and use them as a car!!Now Charlatans give £60 then head strait to eBay where everybody is selling everything similar at over inflated Jackonory prices and its like a bloody chain letter it keeps the daft prices up!Take away the Interwebs put everything back to local newspapers and Exchange and Mart and the silly prices would stop!I love coming here don't get me wrong but its often been said that the interwebs have had both a positive and negative affect here is Positive,Fleabay and those dustpan and brush resto's for £10k are the negatives Problem is one you have started a cycle its hard to break that chain.............................Say if I found a Mk1 Tina for a £100 fixed it up got it roadworthy for a further £400 I could sell it for £500 but I wouldnt...................Now I am not greedy but its not about that I may not be but they person you sell it to might be? or the person they sell to somewhere along the line somebody else will make good fortune out of your fairness so you then end up part of the problem because you know if you don't sell it at a price its not really worth somebody else will.................................................Ive often thought what if we started dragging some of those cars out of Hedges and made them the property of Autoshite? And write up a Cast Iron contract that ws legally binding that they would never go out of the fold,if they did then we would have to send the boys round....................... Food for thought?I'm as guilty of this as anyone. Twice in the last 18 months I've struck lucky and got cars for a good price , not intending to Brewerise them, but...The e34 520 that a few people on here expressed interest in from the day I got it was sold to a young Russian Banker to use on a Banger Rally. Do I feel guilty? Yes, a bit, but can I afford to lose a £600 earner ? No,a lot. Same with the Audi Avant, even more profit but at least iIt was to a posh Fulhamite who couldn't find a W123 to move his restored furniture around.What I wouldn't do is get a cheap car off a fellow Autoshiter to profit from, seems even I have some standards. Brodders, RobT and eddyramrod 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyramrod Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 PBK's post is so true. For instance I've paid between £0 and £500 for all my previous Estelles. Had to pay a four-figure sum for my current one. Annoyingly this phenomenon never applies to me....I know if I decided to get rid it'd suddenly be worth £peanuts, only to appear sold again on ebay in due course for £megabucks. Exactly. See the case of my Cyprus Granada for corroboration! 2012-13 I couldn't give the fecker away, now I can't afford a picture of one. Junkman and Datsuncog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegod Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Mk2 escrots are going down now some Irish dude has had shells remade in China, 7K for a brand spanking shell http://higginscarparts.co.uk/inventory/ford-escort-mkii-complete-shell/ Cavcraft, Keymaster and ProgRocker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabamaShrimp Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 I still don't understand the thing for mk1 and 2 Escorts and why they are so 'amazing'. So what if a few were rally cars every single one I've ever been in was shit. What put me off them was being picked up in a borrowed white mk1 that has mushrooms growing on the newspaper in the passenger foot well that was supposed to be soaking up all the water coming in... Back on topic I can only really say the same as the others above. My Mk1 Fiesta was £150 which I thought was expensive in about 2001, look at them now. eddyramrod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Supply and demand. People who remember cars from their childhood or early driving years wanting to relive that - but the cars now being more scarce. Remember ten years ago you couldn't give Lada's away? Even they fetch proper decent money these days, to the extent that people are doing proper restoration work on them now. Likewise Metros...paid £120 for my first one in 2003, the auction couldn't give away the mint one I had after that - that car quite possibly would be into four figures now. John F, danthecapriman and alf892 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 T'internet has done many things for the classic car market, but the main thing is that is has made your average marketplace grow in size from the local couple of towns to the whole of the Uk (or even more). 20 years ago, you pulled a 1950's series 1 land-rover out of a hedge, and got a couple of hundred for it as you could only advertise to a maximum on a few tens-of-thousands of people cheaply in the local selling paper. Now yoy pull a 1970's series 2 land-rover out of a hedge, wazz it on the bay of snot and instantly advertise to anyone with an internet connection and 3 brain cells, and it then sells for £1500. Which, conversley, is the same reason you get so many timewasters. It's simoly because you now advertise to absolutely everyone. Tossers included. LT84, NorfolkNWeigh and Twiggy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecapriman Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Things will calm down again once the 'in thing' moves on. At the moment it's 70's Fords and other similar stuff. But the market is beginning to move on to 80's stuff. Ford XR's, RS's, Pug 205 GTI that sort of stuff.It all depends on the generation of people that are buying the cars to relive their past. Once the people who drive up mk1 Escort prices are past that period of life where they have spare cash to spunk on a car they wanted their dad to buy as a kid then the cars values will settle out to a more normal realistic level.Then the cycle moves on to the next generation of the same type of people. The next big thing will be 80's hot hatches... You can still get things like Cortinas, Capris and Escorts and a multitude of similar things at reasonable prices it's just you need to be more creative about how you get them. Importing a less desirable left hand drive car from somewhere like France where they aren't as sought after might be an idea? I've even considered (and I still want to!) hiring a car transporter truck and driver and going to somewhere like Greece and filling it with as many of the 70's Fords I want as possible then bringing it all back here. You could sell some at a profit to finance the trip and keep a couple for yourself! I really want a Mk1 Granada 2 door saloon! Twiggy, LT84, Brodders and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Hi think the white room car sales types have a bit to answer for here. They’re normalising asking big money for clean but relatively average cars because they’re prepped well and have nice pictures .This makes jock mc cock who’s selling a not quite as tidy version it’s worth x more than it really .That scruffy mg maestro I have cost a grand and was literally the only interesting motd 80s thing I could find for that money and it’s scruffy as fuck . HMC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Honda Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 FFS - when did 'average' stuff get stoopidly expensive?? When you started looking at the same 1986 average stuff, in 2017. However if you compare 1986 average stuff with 2017 average stuff of the same age it's fucking cheap as chips. Even allowing for lack of VED changing hands with ownership, stuff has never been this crazy cheap. cort1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Mate has managed to scrape £200 for an average condition o4 fiesta ding in rear wing 10 month mot.Ideal wbod, can't give stuff away up here.Was up for £400 constantly getting wanna be brewers offering £100.I’ve found that if you Ring the seller up, turn up on time and act fairly normal, they are so grateful after having endless ‘last price’ bollocks, that you can usually chip a fair whack off the price. Last car I bought was up at £500, offered £350 and said I’d take it there and then. None of all this ‘can you hold it while Friday when my mate will lend me £500’ shit. Talbot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Case Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Not only cars, we've had to revalue our Routemaster upwards (yet) again for insurance, and it is probably now worth more than all the other buses in the collection put together. OSR tax or has the wedding hire market finally run out of rusty mark 1 Silver Shadows with a quick respray in white? Second question. Does the OSF tax yet extend to early Transits? (1965 pick-up in original condition) One of the side effects is that insurance premiums are based to a certain extent on values so they tend to go up every year regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 The other struggle is people’s expectations. I’ve sold cars before for £150 and I’ve had people complaining the air con wasn’t working or it had a few scrapes here and there. Not sheds but people were wanting tantamount to a bloody warranty on a couple of hundred quid car. sheffcortinacentre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooSavvy Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Slight OT... however :/ 'Our $hite' = mig & pubgas, tyres and a chink knockoff OBD? Will 'our' cars - rolling forward through future years (legislated for?) ever be operable like we do now?? I think we should all enjoy it while we can TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigstraight6 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Old stuff is really going up in value now, I bought my Zodiac 14 years ago for £2200 and I’m really glad I did as I couldn’t afford one now with the way they have increased in value. Even the big Triumph I acquired from Cheggers of this parish has seen a strong rise in value, but even bread and butter oldies like Morris Minors and Austin A30’s seem to command high premiums now compared too just a few years ago.... mk2_craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Snipes Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Mk2 escrots are going down now some Irish dude has had shells remade in China, 7K for a brand spanking shell http://higginscarparts.co.uk/inventory/ford-escort-mkii-complete-shell/Wow, that’s fantastic (assuming the shells are reasonably straight!). Wonder if they fancy doing Opel Mantas or AE86 Corollas? dome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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