lisbon_road Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 So now we have a new toxic charge for older cars in London. No problem for me, I'd never take a car into London regardless of age. But clearly the message reported elsewhere that a brand new Qashqai is worse than a 2009 Skoda and even a Euro 1 (probably) Golf hasn't got through, has it! I've no problem with it personally, my only problem is if people think it is going to make any difference. mercrocker and flat4alfa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Furious Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 So its now 21.50 a day to drive an 'old' car in London. fuckthat.com The Reverend Bluejeans, chaseracer and Dick Longbridge 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Unless its pre 1973. Thus logic dictates: Pre-2006 = bad for lungs, Pre-1973 = ok for lungs. Did Junkman write this policy? https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/low-emission-zone/check-if-your-vehicle-is-affected/exemptions-and-discounts flat4alfa, Vince70, Sloth in a bowl and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovamota Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Any car built before 2006 is a 'dirty old banger' according to the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisbon_road Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 Looks like cars running on gas are ok, if approved. Will have to look into the small print on that one, as my '94 Astra runs on gas with a proper sequential system. Not that I'd drive into London regardless....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougiefourspeed Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Any car built before 2006 is a 'dirty old banger' according to the media. Aye. The way they go on you'd think that London circa 2005 looked like this. Dick Longbridge, mercrocker, Vince70 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Jimmy Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Sorry old bean; need to do a tad more research on smog in post war London. Diesel or any type of vehicles were not the main culprit. mercrocker and flat4alfa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraWomble Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Any car built before 2006 is a 'dirty old banger' according to the media.Just checked the moped ( 1999) and says its not subject to the T charge - the Almera (2004) and the C8 (2007 diesel non FAP) and according to the website non of them are subject to the new charge. Not that I fancy taking any of them through central London, but there you go. strangeangel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabergé Greggs Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I can sail happily through in my Daf and smokey 2 stroke Vespa! It’s not perfect, but measures have to be taken. I commute daily through central London, and it’s absolutely minging. Tayne, purplebargeken and strangeangel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonbennet Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 My 2005 Landcruiser is subject to excess charge, which is a bit of luck cos they can stick pissin london (and any other big city) where the sun doesn't shine, the only time i go near such places is when paid to in a lorry and i fuck off sharpish the very second my deed is done. purplebargeken, 95 quid Peugeot, Matt and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangeangel Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Unless its pre 1973. Thus logic dictates:Pre-2006 = bad for lungs,Pre-1973 = ok for lungs. There must be more to it than that, as apparently a 1988 XUD-powered BX is exempt! EDIT: No it's not, because I am idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 My pal has confirmed that his two-stroke Wartburg is fine. No charge! I very rarely go anywhere near the middle of London. Think the only time I've paid the Congestion Charge is when I was collecting a car from the very centre ones. It's a horrible place to drive, so I use public transport or just bloody walk. A good phone app (Citymapper, which someone recommended on here) makes life very easy on that score, even if it does leave you walking around, starting at your phone like a pleb. RobT and Vince70 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 There must be more to it than that, as apparently a 1988 XUD-powered BX is exempt! tcharge.jpg Not that it matters to me either way, obv. That's the wrong reg m8. Soz! (actually a Honda moped) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostnotFound Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Just checked the moped ( 1999) and says its not subject to the T charge What it means is that they've confirmed they won't charge you as they know you'll have been bike jacked well before the zone. robinmasters, UltraWomble, Dave_Q and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangeangel Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 That's the wrong reg m8. Soz! (actually a Honda moped) I thought it was too good to be true Although, in reality, it will have zero effect on my shiting activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebus Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I was discussing this the other night and we decided if you're going to be charged £20 + a day to go into the capital, you might as well buy a traction engine and smoke out Westminster properly. Mind you it would be MoT/tax exempt and so probably also exempt from the T charge... mercrocker, Dick Longbridge, The Reverend Bluejeans and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangeangel Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I was discussing this the other night and we decided if you're going to be charged £20 + a day to go into the capital, you might as well buy a traction engine and smoke out Westminster properly. Mind you it would be MoT/tax exempt and so probably also exempt from the T charge... I think just UW on the Moped of Doom would produce a satisfactory amount of smoke, personally... UltraWomble 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I find it fascinating that these poisonous,dirty old killing machines suddenly become ok after 6pm and at weekends.I go into Central London pretty much every week for either work or socially at weekends and it's quite rare to see any older cars within the Charging Zone , especially in the working day . I'd be very surprised if this has any measurable effect on air quality . Vince70, mercrocker, strangeangel and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcyonecorporation Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Jesus, this T Charge banding needs clarification.To be fair, the MfL's press office were all over the place when we checked on its announcement and I only got clarity from the FBHVC who then checked and triple checked with TfL. According to the checker, my Amazon, SVX, 305 and Leon are exempt, but the Piazza. MGF and 960 aren't. I would have expected the Amazon and Leon to be fine, but everything else to have have paid. If there's ULEZ exemption for tax exempt classics, and the cut off for petrol and diesel is Euro 4, how the hell is a 1985 car (305) exempt from the T Charge while a 1986 car (Piazza) isn't. All of them have to pay the congestion charge, which is different from the T Charge and ULEZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 What irks me is this legislation doesn't properly deal with the biggest issue, that of commercial vehicles that (Pre-2006 or not). I walked past the British Museum the other day and many of the coaches were keeping their engines running over the entire lunch period. The place stank. mat_the_cat, UltraWomble, purplebargeken and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Honda Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 What irks me is this legislation doesn't properly deal with the biggest issue, that of commercial vehicles that (Pre-2006 or not). Because this legislation does: The Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) (Fixed Penalty) (England) Regulations 2002(Level 3 fine up to £1000.) So the issue becomes enforcement. Report those idlers to TfL cort16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I went to London once. The place stank. FTFY. robinmasters, Sloth in a bowl and MarvinsMom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 EDIT DUE TO IDIOCY, 1755hrs: Just checked. All of my cars are exempt. Which, in the case of two of them, is something of a surprise... Just checked again, using (appropriately...) the right tool. None of my cars are exempt. Which, in the case of all of them, is not remotely surprising. As you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSdriver Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Just checked my cars for the hell of it1973 DS23 efi: no chargeM reg Volvo 940 est: understandably chargeableW reg Peugeot of last resort (206) 1.4 pezzer: chargeable02 reg Saab 9.3 ecowarrior flavour: no charge comforting to know that we have options with two out of four safe for page three girls' lungs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 even if it does leave you walking around, starting at your phone Which I certainly would not do In London... I was discussing this the other night and we decided if you're going to be charged £20 + a day to go into the capital, you might as well buy a traction engine and smoke out Westminster properly. Mind you it would be MoT/tax exempt and so probably also exempt from the T charge... I'm sure I've seen these things with number plates on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Did Junkman write this policy? Saving your reference, had I written it, it would make sense. Supernaut, SiC and Lacquer Peel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougiefourspeed Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Sorry old bean; need to do a tad more research on smog in post war London. Diesel or any type of vehicles were not the main culprit. I've let myself down badly. SiC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel2 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I know it's a few days old and may have been posted elsewhere on AS but this comparison makes interesting reading - especially the comments towards the end. Cars newer than Euro4 may be no less dirty than our 'old' pre 2006 cars... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/how_toxic_is_your_car_exhaust Squirrel2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Jimmy Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I've let myself down badly. Remorse accepted; now go to the headmaster's office for a good hard Brexit. beko1987, dougiefourspeed and chaseracer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Rover 414 - CHARGEDAustin Princess - CHARGED"mauve" (their words, not mine) Austin 1100 - NOT CHARGED So if I have to go into that there London I have to use the car that looks most like an environmental incident. UltraWomble, danthecapriman, beko1987 and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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