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[HMC]

Deffo. Its probably the only Taxed as PLG 96 year old car currently on the road 😂

[HMC]

Further chummy news…

If it pleases the court Ive got some history- buff log books from the late 40s to the late 50s (they are gradually filled with vehicle tax stamps and often when full -and replaced, binned) and some stuff from the early 80s (it was sold for 3k in 1983 a poor performer since then- as classic cars magazine would pronounce- yuck) Its last tax discs date from 83/4/5 until it came off the road.

Exhibit A: This rather indecipherable letter- I figured out from the address and a note on a later v5 that Ken Rokison is the writer, and later owner of PG1107. He is a now a retired high court judge (!) and I  believe still alive. Ive written to him to ask about his ownership and how he came to be the keeper from about 1978-83. 

The jury is out on if i get a reply, m’lud.

[Matty]

On 01/11/2025 at 15:05, comfortablynumb said:

Such a great looking car, and what a pic, calendar shot?

If i had the space (and wasnt married) id have one parked in the front room. Id sit in it and watch telly!!

[artdjones]

On 02/11/2025 at 17:39, Matty said:

If i had the space (and wasnt married) id have one parked in the front room. Id sit in it and watch telly!!

It wouldn't take up any more space that the average clingy DFS sofa.

Edit:- I meant blingy.

[artdjones]

On 01/11/2025 at 17:08, HMC said:

Deffo. Its probably the only Taxed as PLG 96 year old car currently on the road 😂

If you're a member of Patriotic Millionaires you could just leave it.

[HMC]

Chummy news- it starts so much more easily after resealing both ends of the inlet manifold and gaskets with some hylomar blue. It also has stopped the occasional (and quite scary) backfire on the overrun which im guessing was again a symptom of the air leaking in and messing up the fuel mixture.

Have used the wet weather gear for the first time going out to a restaurant.

Detachable side screens, with the doors having a fold back and press stud secure bit to avoid flappingness on the move.

No need for decent wipers when you can peer out of a slot. My glasses could do with wipers, mind you.

[Peter C]

@HMC

You are quite mad. In a good way, of course.

[comfortablynumb]

21 hours ago, Peter C said:

@HMC

You are quite mad. In a good way, of course.

"All the best people are..."

[HMC]

Ive just bought a car

clue- former owners….

[Schaefft]

29 minutes ago, HMC said:

Ive just bought a car

clue- former owners….

How many owners since?

[MorrisItalSLX]

[Six-cylinder]

1 hour ago, HMC said:

Ive just bought a car

clue- former owners….

Daimler?

[dome]

Land Cruiser. They'd use it to tow racecars around 🤔

[Tayne]

Has to be the 1.2 Corsa.

 

 

[High Jetter]

Ooo, another 3 wheeler?

[HMC]

Chummy News….

If you recall earlier i had written to a retired judge, using an old address from the early 1980s, and with the expectation that if M’lud was still around, he must be 90 or thereabouts…..

Well the retired Judge, and sometime keeper of PG1007 is indeed still alive; and has replied to my letter….

 

 

[HMC]

It was nice to come back to that in the post, after some more messing about in the very same 7, earlier in the day…

 

[comfortablynumb]

Fantastic to have got a reply from the judge, even if it was a bit difficult to read 😀

[HMC]

1 minute ago, comfortablynumb said:

Fantastic to have got a reply from the judge, even if it was a bit difficult to read 😀

Absolutely. My fave bits are his stable of cars- morgan plus 8, porsche 911. Plus his summation of the effect of children “ took up a lot of time, available funds, and space” 😂

[HMC]

Plus if you google him, his petrol head interests have an ironic element as he appears to have been involved in some capacity with the BP / gulf of mexico, Deepwater Horizon disaster aftermath.

[N Dentressangle]

7 minutes ago, HMC said:

Absolutely. My fave bits are his stable of cars- morgan plus 8, porsche 911. Plus his summation of the effect of children “ took up a lot of time, available funds, and space” 😂

Yep, very nice. My dad had a rusty (is there any other kind?) 1100 at a similar stage.

[LightBulbFun]

On 01/11/2025 at 17:08, HMC said:

Deffo. Its probably the only Taxed as PLG 96 year old car currently on the road 😂

did you actually tax it as such? if so do you recall what the amount charged was? 

 

im about to go Full DVLA/Vehicle Licensing  Nerd so bare with me

 

but basically *before* Historic Vehicle tax as we know and love was introduced in 1995, for Motor cars produced before 1947 and Motorcycles before 1933, a concessionary half rate was charged

and I have always wondered do they still do that? if you decided to leave a vintage prewar vehicle in the PLG taxation class, do you still get the concessionary rate? 

so I would love to know if you did or did not with your Austin Seven  

On 01/11/2025 at 16:59, HMC said:

I went to the post office to change the tax from PLG to HISTORIC. Done it a few times now with other stuff. Computer said no. So I rang the DVLA and it was explained that it wasnt possible as, despite being registered new in june 1929 and with all the old log books etc and a current v5 in place- there was no date of manufacture their end.

I suggested to the DVLA employee (who i must say was very friendly and helpful) that as we all agree it existed by june 1929- that this itself should be enough to grant it >40 year old status. Apparently not. 

do you know the DVLA history of the Seven? its only actually fairly recently they recorded the actual "Date of manufacture" on vehicle records and for vehicles which have been sitting dormant for many years, this info only gets automatically added once the vehicle is taxed/brought alive again

see how in the first screen shot "Year of Manufacture" is Missing but then pops up once the vehicle is taxed  (only older versions of the DVLA checker would show you this insight, newer versions just automatically populate a year of MFG from the Date of first registration field)

 

this whole retroactive addition of a vehicles Date of manufacture

is why you get shit like this!

"Date of first registration 5 November 1976"

"Date Of Manufacture 30 December 1976"

 

because I have the one and only time travelling Invacar, either that or whoever programmed the DVLA computer needs a slap....

 

if you have an account with the DVLA I would add your Seven to it and see what it reports back for Date of of manufacture  

 

it might just take a day or 2 for the systems to update, and worth trying again now perhaps 

[adw1977]

I remember Ken Clarke introducing the 25 year exemption, but didn't know about the previous half price for pre-1947 cars.

Do you know when the half price rate was introduced?

[lesapandre]

7 hours ago, HMC said:

Chummy News….

If you recall earlier i had written to a retired judge, using an old address from the early 1980s, and with the expectation that if M’lud was still around, he must be 90 or thereabouts…..

Well the retired Judge, and sometime keeper of PG1007 is indeed still alive; and has replied to my letter….

 

 

Lovely to see a good handwritten letter. A long long tradition to keep alive in this age of electronica (said me writing with electonica).

But you get the message...

[lesapandre]

4 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

did you actually tax it as such? if so do you recall what the amount charged was? 

 

im about to go Full DVLA/Vehicle Licensing  Nerd so bare with me

 

but basically *before* Historic Vehicle tax as we know and love was introduced in 1995, for Motor cars produced before 1947 and Motorcycles before 1933, a concessionary half rate was charged

and I have always wondered do they still do that? if you decided to leave a vintage prewar vehicle in the PLG taxation class, do you still get the concessionary rate? 

so I would love to know if you did or did not with your Austin Seven  

do you know the DVLA history of the Seven? its only actually fairly recently they recorded the actual "Date of manufacture" on vehicle records and for vehicles which have been sitting dormant for many years, this info only gets automatically added once the vehicle is taxed/brought alive again

see how in the first screen shot "Year of Manufacture" is Missing but then pops up once the vehicle is taxed  (only older versions of the DVLA checker would show you this insight, newer versions just automatically populate a year of MFG from the Date of first registration field)

 

this whole retroactive addition of a vehicles Date of manufacture

is why you get shit like this!

"Date of first registration 5 November 1976"

"Date Of Manufacture 30 December 1976"

 

because I have the one and only time travelling Invacar, either that or whoever programmed the DVLA computer needs a slap....

 

if you have an account with the DVLA I would add your Seven to it and see what it reports back for Date of of manufacture  

 

it might just take a day or 2 for the systems to update, and worth trying again now perhaps 

Some risk the rolling VED exemption will again be paused I feel - as the government looks down the back of the sofa for loose change.

I doubt very much rolled back though.

MoT exemption will I am sure continue with the raise of electric in place of IC cars etc.

[LightBulbFun]

1 hour ago, adw1977 said:

I remember Ken Clarke introducing the 25 year exemption, but didn't know about the previous half price for pre-1947 cars.

Do you know when the half price rate was introduced?

in 1948 a new flat rate system was introduced, so I think thats where the distinction for pre 1947 comes from, but when exactly that became a half price thing, I am not sure 

 

[BorniteIdentity]

6 hours ago, lesapandre said:

But you get the message...

Yes I do. Electronically. 

I’d much rather a typewritten letter which has been forcefully struck out on the keys of a Remington Rand, personally - but to each their own.  It’d be legible too! 

[lesapandre]

8 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

in 1948 a new flat rate system was introduced, so I think thats where the distinction for pre 1947 comes from, but when exactly that became a half price thing, I am not sure 

 

1953  - £12 10s = £12 50 decimal.

[MorrisItalSLX]

17 hours ago, HMC said:

Chummy News….

If you recall earlier i had written to a retired judge, using an old address from the early 1980s, and with the expectation that if M’lud was still around, he must be 90 or thereabouts…..

Well the retired Judge, and sometime keeper of PG1007 is indeed still alive; and has replied to my letter….

 

 

I thought my Great Grandmothers letters were difficult to read, this is next level. Excellent to receive a response however.

Can anyone translate?

[Mr Livered]

33 minutes ago, MorrisItalSLX said:

Can anyone translate?

Dear [HMC]

Firstly, my apologies for the delay in my response.

Unfortunately our postal deliveries have been unbelievably unreliable over the last couple of months.

Apologies, also, for my handwriting, which has deteriorated from 'appalling' over the last couple of years.

Anyway, thanks for the letter and for the unnecessary generosity of a stamped addressed envelope. Most of my current correspondence, since my final retirement five or so years ago has been via email from my highly computer-literate and indulgent wife, I even had to go out and buy a tablet of writing paper!

I was very interested to learn of your Austin 7, which I did indeed own in the 1970s and 1980s. I bought it after I had acquired a house (our first marital home) in 1973, after which we expanded our garaging space and had room for another 'toy' - my previous stable, which became a bit unsuitable for a newly-wed, being a Morgan Plus 8 and a Porsche 911T. But we soon started a family as I was quite an aged bride-groom (36) and had three lovely children over the next 10 years, which took up a lot of time, available funds, and space.

This all resulted in the Austin 7, which all the children loved, getting very little use - particularly with long-distance journeys. I felt it was wasted, and deserved to be owned and used by a vintage car enthusiast, who would perhaps have more time  energy and enthusiasm. 

We were all fond of it, and it brings back happy memories. But they are all personal, and it would not be at all informative to you or your club members. Sorry!

PS. a bit of irrelevant personal information- I think I bought it - possibly through "Motor Start" - because of its registration number, as in my pre-marriage and early marriage years, I used the not very complimentary nickname - Pig!

With warmest regards etc