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Yeah 07- i was thinking the same. I think outdoorsy people with no mechanical sympathy have owned and abused it, probably not a shrewd buy if I start trying to improve it (rather than do nothing to it and bin it when it dies.) I wish I could be so disciplined but I can’t help myself when an automotive orphan crops up.

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Why did I need a morale boost?

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2 utterly ruined front tyres replaced; plus a track rod end.

Also my initial diagnosis from it sounding like a traction engine has proved correct. One injector seal seems to have gone and is chuffing away. Weighing up DIY attempt (apparently no where near the shit show of merc CDI engines) but I’m time poor.

Please link me back to this when I get tempted by the next cheap banger. Ok I could just run it and bin it which is what the more pragmatic of you would do. I have to be pragmatic in my job but I very rarely am with old shite. Presumably in 3 months someone will be able to buy a sorted but battered Berlingo for less than it owes me. C’est la vie

 

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2 hours ago, Six-cylinder said:

If only you had bought an HDi one.....

It is an HDI- the 1.6 - apparently flakier than the 2.0 though. IIRC it’s the basic engine found in thr fiesta TDCI

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4 hours ago, HMC said:

It is an HDI- the 1.6 - apparently flakier than the 2.0 though. IIRC it’s the basic engine found in thr fiesta TDCI

I borrowed a 90 bhp Picasso and it was great, not fast but just enough grunt to get up to speed and overtake.

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On 7/24/2020 at 7:10 PM, HMC said:

Why did I need a morale boost?

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2 utterly ruined front tyres replaced; plus a track rod end.

Also my initial diagnosis from it sounding like a traction engine has proved correct. One injector seal seems to have gone and is chuffing away. Weighing up DIY attempt (apparently no where near the shit show of merc CDI engines) but I’m time poor.

Please link me back to this when I get tempted by the next cheap banger. Ok I could just run it and bin it which is what the more pragmatic of you would do. I have to be pragmatic in my job but I very rarely am with old shite. Presumably in 3 months someone will be able to buy a sorted but battered Berlingo for less than it owes me. C’est la vie

 

What you need* is a R8 Diesel Tourer... 

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Soooo the injector is now gas tight thanks to my local PSA place.

The thing is that this 1.6 hdi feels flakey. Uneven when starting and quite smokey at times. Noisy too. It’s not their finest hour apparently this 1.6 unit. Anyway before I write it off I’m hoping a glow plug change sorts the lumpy running when cold. I also decided to dismantle the Electricalky controlled EGR valve - I disassembled it and a spring and a few parts pinged out of it. After cleaning and reassembly it promptly went into limp mode and wouldn’t rev.
 

I broke my Berlingo! OBD interrogation reveals many many fault codes related to my EGR work. I’ve ordered a new Valeo (oem) replacement. Yes I feel stupid. Hopefully the glow plugs and a new EGR will help. It just feels like it’s going to let go on me this abused berlingo, just a Gut feeling. Watch this space.

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Ps please note the 14 inch Nissan (micra?) trim I found in a moorland hedge and promptly fitted. Pushing the boat out.

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1 hour ago, HMC said:

It just feels like it’s going to let go on me this abused berlingo,

Probably when the bits of gear from the fifth cog floating around, hits the rotating bits in the gearbox?

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39 minutes ago, SiC said:

Probably when the bits of gear from the fifth cog floating around, hits the rotating bits in the gearbox?

This. Plus a sub par engineering job on the oil feed to the turbo, no service history and a very hard 13 years of duty. That is the cold reality of true, end of life autoshite; Take your pic.

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This beaten up Berlingo idles so much better following swapping the fuel filter. A few longer runs seem to have made it run better and smoke less. 

I wonder if the rear beam thing is past it. The camber on the wheels is fine but at speed on sharper curves it feels a bit squirmy at the back when the car rolls. I can’t think of a better word- just a little bit disconnected. At speed in a straight line it’s ok - it’s just pushing it into a corner where the body roll builds and it happens.

I wanted to change all the glow plugs- 2 were tricky and eased out carefully but 2 came out Too easily but minus the tips. Somebody’s been here before and snapped them. I just re inserted them.  Also the steering rack is leaking quite badly. plus let’s not forget 5th gear is missing in action. Ive been sooo tempted to bridge it and buy @Eavb ‘S one instead.

Verdict: total HEAP, but a practical one.

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If this has a DPF (dunno) they can do in terms of regenerating it. Having said that I’m saying they don’t- as you say the mot is up mid December and if it gets there I’ll be mildly surprised, let alone actually having another MOT submission

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2007 won't automatically be DPF on a diesel, that's mostly post 2009 and almost all 2010 (except late reg). 

How well do HDI engines like veg? Might be a good test bed to experiment on when it's getting even close to end of life!

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51 minutes ago, SiC said:

 

How well do HDI engines like veg? Might be a good test bed to experiment on when it's getting even close to end of life!

The lift pumps hate it - you can run 20% - more than that and you can get fault codes popping up and lumpy running

 

2007 should have a soot caralyst but no dpf

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On this age it will be a FAP isn't it? If so then Eolys fluid bag in the back somewhere. 

A quick google and reading a Berlingo forum suggests the 110bhp ones got them, while the 90bhp and lower didn't.

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2 hours ago, UltraWomble said:

The lift pumps hate it - you can run 20% - more than that and you can get fault codes popping up and lumpy running

 

2007 should have a soot caralyst but no dpf

Interesting.. can the lift pump (presumably in tank?) Be easily replaced?

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99% chance it doesn't have a DPF

especially if it's the 92 horsepower version

oh yeah and you will never get the glow plugs out, they love welding them in on the DV6

the injector seals do cause much excitement even after theyre fixed due to contaminated oil and turbo failure

if you want to do a proper oil change theres a tiny little filter on the turbo feed pipe which needs checking

https://frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46915&fbclid=IwAR1iiZw8moi2T1q1W9QXMjb-VfDwGCR2jzBH75k-z7n7hksPAwE3a2Xpl4c

This is quite an interesting read on preventing multiple turbo failures in quick succession

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2 hours ago, 320touring said:

Interesting.. can the lift pump (presumably in tank?) Be easily replaced?

Yes, but they're not cheap, and probably cost more than the saving made by running 20% SVO.

I say SVO, as if you run waste oil in one of these at 20% you probably won't even survive that tankful.

Common rail injection systems and Veg of any kind just don't really go together.  PD engines can just about cope with it, but realistically you need a mechanical injection pump.  Anything else is playing Russian roulette with where and when you break down.

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