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On 11/18/2020 at 1:54 PM, wuvvum said:

They weren't illegal here in the '90s - early Discoverys had them.  It's relatively recently that they've been outlawed.

 

On 11/18/2020 at 2:05 PM, HMC said:

I bought a 2005 defender 90 new and that had side facing rear seats. Would have thought if fitted new ok now? Anyway these in the crown vic are more of a curio than something I’ll use.

Wow yeah I didn't realise it was so late, a quick google suggests the Defender got rid of them in 2007 so that's probably when the law changed, I just wrongly assumed it would have been years earlier.

Anyway like you say it doesn't really matter since they'll rarely if ever get used.

I'll have to own a yank tank someday...

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9 hours ago, dollywobbler said:

As far as I can see, the use of side facing seats is not illegal, but is advised against. They were banned from being fitted to vehicles, hence later Defenders do not have side facing seats in the back.

Exactly, such rules are very rarely imposed retrospectively.

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On 11/13/2020 at 12:24 PM, colc said:

Any timing chain chatter when starting ?

No. Although it always starts it seem to turn over slowly. The battery earth is a bit tired so I’m assuming it might be that.

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Don't worry about that, it's perfectly normal for old American cars.  I positively expect it!  A couple of slow turns, a burst of whizzing over... and VAROOM!  With a side order of chuff from one of the exhaust manifolds, most likely.  That's what Huggy does anyway.  It's all very pleasing on the ear.

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2 minutes ago, eddyramrod said:

Don't worry about that, it's perfectly normal for old American cars.  I positively expect it!  A couple of slow turns, a burst of whizzing over... and VAROOM!  With a side order of chuff from one of the exhaust manifolds, most likely.  That's what Huggy does anyway.  It's all very pleasing on the ear.

Sorry bit of thread Drift that’s the taxi - the crown vic starts up like a champ.

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On 11/21/2020 at 6:52 AM, dollywobbler said:

As far as I can see, the use of side facing seats is not illegal, but is advised against. They were banned from being fitted to vehicles, hence later Defenders do not have side facing seats in the back.

Sounds right.  The University I was at was still dragging us around in severely shonky Sherpa (yes, pre-LDV) minibuses with side facing benches in the back when I was there in 2002.

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I didn’t have much time this weekend for playing with big American barges, but I did figure out the tailgate.
 

It’s got a frameless glass window, pulling the handle latches it to the side. Instead of that Putting the key in with it shut  and turning it makes the window Go down electrically; and reaching the inner handle then lets it hinge downwards.

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4 hours ago, HMC said:

It’s got a frameless glass window, pulling the handle latches it to the side. Instead of that Putting the key in with it shut  and turning it makes the window Go down electrically; and reaching the inner handle then lets it hinge downwards.

Magic!

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Thing is, they were never... Slow. Not the biggest engined ones, at least. 

Lazy, yes. But that uninspiring push at low speed just continues well up to the legal limit. Most get really wheezy above 3500-4000 rpm and the shift points were a bit optimistic but a hefty multi-element torque converter meant that you would accelerate like in a Jaguar. Suddenly you're going fast after a but of noise and not much feeling of actually doing anything.

Very squidgy cars, given that America had last spent any major money on road infrastructure 30 years prior to this being built, so a lot of very worn concrete and potholed and inexpertly patched asphalt was what you got to drive on. It shook contemporary european cars to pieces if they didn't break down expensively and get sacked off for something Ford or GM.

That's why people bought them. The unchanging bland squareness represented something that lasted, something built to withstand the streets here and be comfortable on the long, straight journeys. Also, doing big family things or stuff with the neighbors kids was and is still quite big here so that's why once these had gone, the minivan and suv reigned supreme.

 

Phil

 

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On 11/18/2020 at 1:54 PM, wuvvum said:

They weren't illegal here in the '90s - early Discoverys had them.  It's relatively recently that they've been outlawed.

Change date was 20/10/07 for all new vehicles, so as this predates it is ok.  What you can't do is retro-fit belts if it didn't have them from new.

gov.uk, she says:

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Although side facing seats, with or without seatbelts, are not illegal, we would not advise that they are used.

 

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5 hours ago, wuvvum said:

/\ Heh, I remember perving over that at the FOTU.

I remember... I should have let you relive the dream and let you waft around the show field while I was off pawing over Trigger's winning Marina!  I left it open all day and came back to find a bunch of fellas inside and trying it out for size....   Also noticed some nobber poked his thumb through the rust on the tailgate. 

It made a box-out in the CCW feature pages on the event

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Don't know how he got the idea it didn't have a 400ci.  Never spoke to me.

 

Sorry for the thread hijack.  WLTM the very smart JRG Crown Vic Wagon!

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Still remember just standing by the tailpipe of this thing when it was running at the FotU and enjoying the lazy "Blub, blub, blub" idle.  Sounded like it was idling at about 200rpm which seems to be the norm for their stuff.

I really quite enjoy American cars which aren't trying to pretend to be anything else.  I *really* wanted to bring back the Chevy Astro that we had as a runaround back in 2014.  It was the "low end" version over there (rather than the day vans you tend to see), but it was just so, so, so comfy a thing to waft around in and I've never been in something that was just so easy to drive.

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It was hilarious though looking under the bonnet.  Over here it would be a 2.0TD if you were lucky...No, V6 petrol here - all 4.6 litres of it. 

It had such a long stroke because of that that the torque was absolutely ridiculous...It pulled like a train from idle, and the gargling exhaust note was just hilarious.  Not quite as hilarious as how the thing would stand on its tail end and take off like it had been fired out of a cannon if you did floor it was though.

Sadly it was going to cost well north of five grand to get it shipped back though (plus the purchase price!), so I just couldn't make it make sense.

Even though this is a very "bread and butter" vehicle, it's just so very American...and that means COMFY and EASY where motoring is concerned.

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On 11/24/2020 at 12:40 AM, Zelandeth said:

Still remember just standing by the tailpipe of this thing when it was running at the FotU and enjoying the lazy "Blub, blub, blub" idle.  Sounded like it was idling at about 200rpm which seems to be the norm for their stuff.

I really quite enjoy American cars which aren't trying to pretend to be anything else.  I *really* wanted to bring back the Chevy Astro that we had as a runaround back in 2014.  It was the "low end" version over there (rather than the day vans you tend to see), but it was just so, so, so comfy a thing to waft around in and I've never been in something that was just so easy to drive.

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It was hilarious though looking under the bonnet.  Over here it would be a 2.0TD if you were lucky...No, V6 petrol here - all 4.6 litres of it. 

It had such a long stroke because of that that the torque was absolutely ridiculous...It pulled like a train from idle, and the gargling exhaust note was just hilarious.  Not quite as hilarious as how the thing would stand on its tail end and take off like it had been fired out of a cannon if you did floor it was though.

Sadly it was going to cost well north of five grand to get it shipped back though (plus the purchase price!), so I just couldn't make it make sense.

Even though this is a very "bread and butter" vehicle, it's just so very American...and that means COMFY and EASY where motoring is concerned.

V6 Vortec is a brilliant engine.............as with most Amerikun engines, vast amount of capacity for silly 'orsepower.........

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4 hours ago, Rod/b said:

Oh I dunno, early Rav 4 and is that a convertible PT Cruiser too? (Bottom left)

Yes on the rav4, but that other one is a mini convertible, alas.

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