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happy to see your able to strip the paint without too much hassle

this is very much going to be like archaeology with how many layers there's going to be probably :) im guessing you plan on rattle canning the car going by the easily accessible paint comment rather than getting something made up from that official paint colour sheet thingy that popped up?

 

43 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

Interesting to see how much the removal of the paint has improved the definition of the line along the top of the "fin" compared to beforehand...not surprising how many layers there were.

 

welp there goes the whole mould line theory I think...  LOL

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Getting the impression that there are two types of paint on this car: the stuff which will come right off and that which is utterly immovable.

I think I'll just go round the car getting the easier stuff off then seeing what's left.

Again today I didn't really have much time to play with but was determined to make at least some headway.

So played automotive Tetris so I could get the Invacar actually out of the garage and see what I was doing.

Then slathered things with paint stripper again.

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Then ensued a good amount of waiting patiently followed by scrubbing and scraping.  Finally the pressure washer was employed to get rid of the residue so I could see what I was left with.

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I need to pick up a better paint scraper, this one is so blunt as to be essentially useless.  Think I need to be a bit more patient too to just see if it will slowly eat through the sections which have refused to budge so far. 

Nice to see the roof to bulkhead seal showing through again...feels like we are seeing progress though.

I'd really like to get a couple of hours in a stretch where I could just leave the stripper to work and hopefully get a couple of panels properly cleared.

 

In other news, with the van having ceased squeaking at idle a really horrible sounding rattle/buzz was brought to the forefront.

Initially this sounded like it might be related to the belt tensioner, but a bit of digging revealed a far simpler and easily resolved issue.  The U-bolt holding the exhaust downpipe onto the bracket on the gearbox had stripped the threads so it had worked loose.  This clamp was reused because the one supplied with the exhaust was fractionally too small.

I made up a spacer with a few washers to pack it out returning the nuts to a solid bit of thread, allowing it to be tightened back up properly.

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Nice simple fix.

While I was under there I had a look at all the joints on the system for any signs of leaks now it's got a few miles on.

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No tell tale sooty marks anywhere that I can see, nor could I hear anything chuffing so I'll take that as a win.

 

So the Invacar still needs paintwork, but at least the van is quieter at idle now.  I hadn't realised quite how awful it was until sorting this!

Edit: Yes I know the front exhaust hanger is missing the rubber.  This is another "things I've had to do to make a really cheap exhaust fit without touching stuff it shouldn't" and not buzzing.  Think this being fitted made it lift another hanger elsewhere off so the whole thing wound up sitting squint.  Just removing the rubber block seemed to be the easiest solution...the system is more than sufficiently supported.

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Well that's been a worthy experiment.  Using the cling film didn't seem to make a huge difference.  We did get a bit more paint off the rear moulding though.  It's a tricky balance with the scraper... there's about a 3% difference between the pressure needed to shift the paint and needed to dig into the gel coat, which is annoying.

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Did a little experiment later in the day with leaving the stripper on one of the really stubborn areas for a bit longer.  The results were... annoying.

Turns out that if you leave this stuff long enough it will attack the gel coat.

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In spite of that though the paint ain't any more interested in moving than it was before.  This is going to come down to a sharp scraper and patience it looks like. 

 

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Given they would probably wind up doing things the same way I am (guessing that media blasting isn't an option - especially as the paint is as hard if not harder than the material under it) so hours and hours of work by hand.  Probably wouldn't be looking at much change from £500 I'd guess as a total "sticking my finger in the wind" estimate.

It's not the worst job in the world, just time consuming.  If it wasn't so thick we could just look at painting over it as it's plainly not going anywhere, but it's just so thick...seems a bit ask for a high build primer...

If it was a metal body it would be a dead easy job...remove all the fixtures and fittings, then hit it with the media blaster... especially on such a small car with so little stuff to remove it would be a doddle.  ...Granted, a metal British microcar from the nearly 70s that's all steel would most likely have dissolved long since!

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at least the roof unbolts easy enough to make working on that potentially easier? :) (plus it would be an opportunity to go round driving roofless to flummox the locals even more :mrgreen: )

would taking the sander to the hard spots be an option?

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I hope you are wearing a PP3 rated respirator that's fitted properly to the face! I dread to think what is in that paint and how harmful the dust off is.

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50 minutes ago, SiC said:

I hope you are wearing a PP3 rated respirator that's fitted properly to the face! I dread to think what is in that paint and how harmful the dust off is.

Using [URL=https://www.toolstation.com/gvs-p3r-half-mask-respirator/p42614]this[/URL] but generally working outside when I can and with the paint wet.  Scraping it at least doesn't raise dust.

 

It's one reason I'd rather remove it chemically than take the sander to it though!

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Okay.  I have officially given up trying to get sodding links to work any more.

This fscking editor is seriously making me consider ditching this as one of my regular sites...which is a shame as it's about the only one which hasn't turned to a ghost town courtesy of Facebook etc these days.

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Seems a stupidly backwards step though...I've been able to neatly integrate links for the last 20 years, why do I now need to leave a messy block of text in the middle of my post?

Sorry, just the way my brain works (yay for autism) means I find things like that disproportionately annoying and can result in my wanting to hurl my phone at the wall in a hurry.

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I have the same problem but since I've spent years on a forum that had the same software, but that software was 4 years out-of date, I've had no problem sticking a link into my posts. Now that this new forum is able to auto-embed YouTube links and Twitter videos, it shouldn't be too hard to auto-embed other URLs.

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when you use the link function paste the url in top box the use lower box for your own link title

so- https://www.toolstation.com/gvs-p3r-half-mask-respirator/p42614

 

becomes this- link to respirator @ toolstation as used by Zelandeth for invacar shenangans but prolly shorter lol

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1 hour ago, Noel Tidybeard said:

when you use the link function paste the url in top box the use lower box for your own link title

so- https://www.toolstation.com/gvs-p3r-half-mask-respirator/p42614

 

becomes this- link to respirator @ toolstation as used by Zelandeth for invacar shenangans but prolly shorter lol

Not meaning to sound utterly dense...but what upper/lower box?  I only see one box...the one I'm typing in.

Not sure if this is just an issue when using a mobile device (as with the utterly maddening insistence of the cursor jumping back to the start of your post every time you return to editing).  Much as I'd love to never pick up a mobile device ever again, if I were to only post here when I actually have the luxury of sitting down at my desk and typing stuff up on an actual computer you'd probably see one or two posts a month from me at the most.  Yes, some of you may consider that an improvement... probably rightly so.

As it is, I'm mostly stuck posting from my phone...and I seem to keep finding ways that this new software version just isn't mobile friendly.  Which seems odd given how much the world as a whole seems to be moving away from desktop PCs..yes the old site was horrible on mobile, but at least you could force desktop mode there, the new version renders exactly the same irrespective of if I tick that box or not.

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I think it's the website software being "too clever" to be honest.  I've been finding more sites lately which irrespective of whether you request the desktop site, if the site detects that the recipient is a mobile device it will force the mobile version... irrespective of if you've told your browser to load the desktop version.

Cineworld, I'm also looking in your direction.

To be fair, I never even thought about using the "insert this via this helper button" as I've never used that in my life so it just isn't part of the workflow my brain is used to.  I'll consider trying that next time, though it feels like a truly massively backwards step forcing people to use a dumbed down approach if they'd rather have control over their content as has been the norm for the last twenty years...BBCode has essentially been "standard" since the late 90s at least...if it ain't broke...

Obviously not the fault of the forum operators, just an utterly fluffing stupid design choice by the software developers in my opinion.

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This paint removal process I think is just going to be a long slog. 

Got a few better scrapers today and they're precisely zero help.  With the sharper blades they're just going straight through the paint and the gel coat, it's just too soft.  On a few of the larger flatter panels where there's a nice clean edge to the paint as it's been removed, using the blunt edge it's possible to work away at it...but I was successfully doing that with my old blunt scraper already.

Heat lifts the gel coat before the paint too, as I did poke it with the heat gun just to eliminate it as a potentially helpful tool.

I did bust the sander out again today just to see if I could flat back the area below the rear window where the surface was damaged by the paint stripper.  Looks like there's plenty of thickness to the gel coat to sort that out at least.

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There's quite a bit of pitting on the one panel...you can clearly see where the paint stripper was sitting the longest...

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No huge issue, it's nothing a really tiny amount of filler can't hide...just annoying to have made more work.

Next stop will be investigating soda blasting.  Either getting the kit to do it myself or getting someone in to do it.

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I think it's the website software being "too clever" to be honest.  I've been finding more sites lately which irrespective of whether you request the desktop site, if the site detects that the recipient is a mobile device it will force the mobile version... irrespective of if you've told your browser to load the desktop version.
Cineworld, I'm also looking in your direction.
To be fair, I never even thought about using the "insert this via this helper button" as I've never used that in my life so it just isn't part of the workflow my brain is used to.  I'll consider trying that next time, though it feels like a truly massively backwards step forcing people to use a dumbed down approach if they'd rather have control over their content as has been the norm for the last twenty years...BBCode has essentially been "standard" since the late 90s at least...if it ain't broke...
Obviously not the fault of the forum operators, just an utterly fluffing stupid design choice by the software developers in my opinion.


Zel, if the mobile version of the forum is irritating (and I agree, that’s how I found it - much improved over before but still not as good as desktop) then give Tapatalk a go. I use it and it makes life much simpler for me


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8 hours ago, jumpingjehovahs said:

 


Zel, if the mobile version of the forum is irritating (and I agree, that’s how I found it - much improved over before but still not as good as desktop) then give Tapatalk a go. I use it and it makes life much simpler for me


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I have tried that, but just cannot seem to figure out how it's arranged...kinda like the modern versions of MS Office, despite giving myself a decent acclimatisation period I found I still felt like a five year old who's been asked to wire up the control system for the International Space Station.

As with so much technology these days I kind of feel like I'm just being left floundering cluelessly as "progress" marches forwards.

 

Back on topic...lost most of today as we were making our first trip over to the foster home currently caring for a rescue dog we're looking to adopt.  We really feel that this will do a lot to enrich the life of the one we already have, especially given the issues we've had with the communal dog club meaning that he doesn't get to socialise any where near as much as we'd like.

It's quite a long drawn out process, especially for a dog who is as timid as the one we've currently got our heart set on, but today was the first time we got to meet her.  Despite apparently usually being petrified of new people for ages, she was happily seeking affection and wanting to play with us in about twenty minutes.

Our hearts were immediately melted as she's absolutely bloody adorable.

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More importantly than her taking to us, she seemed to get along well with Tesla, and wasn't afraid to tell him off when he was being a butt.  He doesn't really know how to play with other dogs as he's just never really had the chance...so we're hoping she can help there.  She's also very, very affectionate, whereas he really isn't interested in fuss.  He wants to be *near* to people, but has little interest in actually touching them...whereas if you stand still for five seconds around her she starts nosing at your hand for pets.  So the two hopefully can teach each other different aspects of how to be a dog.

While she looks far more pure husky, she's actually a husky/German Shepherd cross just the same as Tesla.

How could anyone not love this face?

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Likely to be several months before she joins us (obviously assuming future visits and everything go well too), but it felt like the initial introduction to both us and of the two dogs to each other went about as well as it could.  It seems that she's a really good fit for what we're looking for in this household.  I think the rescue charity have been struggling to find a home for her (she's been with them for nearly a year now) purely because she's not a pure husky and they deal primarily with rescued sled dogs, so pure huskies & malamutes are easier for them to find homes for.

 

Hasn't left me much day to play with cars though...but I did have a dig through the box of random "air tool stuff" I picked up a few weeks back.  Found three things which may well each be useful for different stages of the paint stripping process. 

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Not honestly sure how to tell if the gun is a spray gun or soda/sand blaster.  Answers on a post card?

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It's a paraffin/oil/solvent gun for rustproofing or degreasing and cleaning, can also be used as an air lance if no liquid in the container. No idea if it's any use for applying paint stripper though, but I dare say some one on here has used one for that.

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Yeah, someone elsewhere has identified it for me.  Though we've a load of wooden fences so a rapid way of applying preservative to them will be very welcome!

...Oh...not to mention several cars which need to be rust proofed too.  Forgot those!

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Had a bit of an experiment with the paraffin gun this afternoon.  I still had some old underbody wax floating around, so I let it down a bit to a more spray friendly consistency then had a mess around with it.

Can't see me ever messing around with aerosol cans for this sort of job again.  The spray is far finer and just generally well behaved.

Didn't do a huge amount, just gave the front wheel arches and engine bay a blow over.  It's a bit hard to see as it's clear wax that's gone on over the black stuff already there.

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The top dust cover on the shock absorber has fallen off again.  I'll need to get inventive with a cable tie to make it stay in place I think as it's obviously not going to behave.

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Hopefully this should keep the rust in the bulkhead under the windscreen from getting worse too quickly until it can be cut out and replaced.

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Worked into all the little gaps under the struts and the cavities thoroughly misted.  Bonnet really needs replacing in the long term, but hopefully this should help it remain stable for a bit longer.

 

The Invacar has had a little more sanding work.  Have been going very gently with the P120 discs on the sander at low speed over the front of the car.  Unlike the rear this has no coloured gel coat... it's been painted from the factory.  It's also far thinner, so I'm aiming to just remove the loose areas here then I'll see how things look with some high build primer on there.

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While it looks horrible, this is actually smooth to the touch.

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Bonnet is still a mess, but is far closer to flat than it was!

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Then forgot to dust myself off before sitting in the driver's seat.

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Just a bit of dust about...

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Going to give one of those cheap soda blasters a shot for the rear body and roof...if it works it works...if not it's no huge loss and I'll just need to persevere...

 

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6 hours ago, Zelandeth said:

The Invacar has had a little more sanding work.  Have been going very gently with the P120 discs on the sander at low speed over the front of the car.  Unlike the rear this has no coloured gel coat...

interesting, one of half of TPA is from an Invacar the other half of TPA is from an AC? or are the 2 body sections original but just moulded differently for some reason?

(speaking of I wonder if the engine in TWC matches the engine number on TPAs Chassis plate :))

I never quite got to the bottom of if it was AC or Invacar on what was painted and what was moulded blue etc

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It's a bit hard to tell... entirely possible one or both of the body mouldings have been replaced during the life of the vehicle.  The front may well have a gel coat, if so it's an almost microscopically thin one and is flaking off the substrate like loose paint in places.

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Here's a question for you lot.

Heater and windscreen demister switch will be getting fitted in the not too distant future.  It's of a type which is visually identical to those already on the dash so should look like it's meant to be there.

The question is where to put it.

There are three options as I see it:

[] Immediately to the right of the speedometer.

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[] To the far right over by the no passengers sign.

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[] To the far left, between the handbrake and door.

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I'm currently leaning towards the first option...seems most in keeping with the original switchgear.  Should still leave me room to add the brake fluid warning lamp when the hardware for it is fitted.

 

Any votes for other locations? 

May well fit this to my spare dash as I want to take the dash out to sort a couple of wiring bodges I've seen under there.  Will make it a lot easier though as being off the car will vastly improve access.

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Zip by way of stuff actually done today as I've spent the whole day running around in circles getting the house back in order (and wasting two hours stuck in traffic on the M25).  As the van has a busy few days coming up it made sense to top up the fuel...

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(24.0mpg for that tank, so average is staying pretty solidly in the mid 20s mpg, tending toward high 20s if out on a decent run - I managed 32mpg once which was frankly staggered by for such a huge brick of a van with an engine from the 1970s).

I always feel better when heading out of my local area if I'm starting out with a full tank, even if I know that I'd have comfortably made it with well over a hundred miles to spare on what was already in there (this is a 75 litre tank)...force of habit I guess.

In the interests of saving some weight I figured it was time to start actually shifting some of the crap which has been rattling around in the boxes of stuff I picked up out of the van.  Box of tools no 1 contained:

[] Herma Combination Whitworth/AF/Metric socket set.

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[] Nice little Wanner grease gun.  This will no doubt still be going decades after the cheap one already in the garage has turned to dust.

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[] Proper set of De-Walt branded impact sockets.  Useful given I bought an impact wrench a few weeks ago.

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Also dragged in the second Core2 Duo based HP Server (complete with new, never opened monitor and keyboard), and what must be another couple of gallons of LHM.  If anyone on here needs any LHM please just ask...I've about four lifetimes worth here now!

Was just about to close the garage up when this arrived in the most comically oversized box I've seen in a while.  I should have taken a photo of it, the thing was nearly the size of the wheelie bin.

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Hopefully will have some soda blasting media arriving in the next day or two so will be able to give it a test run then.  Just didn't seem worth not giving this kit a shot at less than £40 delivered.  If it works, aside from saving me a lot of grief on the Invacar it will be an all round useful thing to have.  Bit like having a compressor...I doubt it's a tool I'll really appreciate until I've got used to having it around.

Certainly can't see me voluntarily switching back to a garage without air on tap...and I've not even got an air powered rattle gun or anything yet!  Do need a proper tyre inflator though.  The one I've got works just fine...but the sort of thing you used to see in garage forecourts just seems more "correct" somehow.

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Second visit to the foster home of (hopefully) our second dog this morning.

Time to shamelessly spam my thread with fluffy things...

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Nice to see that she was pretty happy in less than five minutes today.  Definitely remembered us it seemed like.

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This is probably the silliest photo of the day.

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We're heading back over on Tuesday to see how things go when out on a walk with her, basically so that the foster keeper can be sure we're able to deal with her if/when she gets panicked while out and about.  They've said based on what they've seen of us and how she's taken to us though that so long as that goes well that there should be no reason we couldn't adopt her.

I took a few dozen photos as usual, but won't spam this thread with any more for now!

Currently sitting sitting in the waiting room at the hospital for a routine appointment... they're running roughly 90 minutes late.  I was due to be seen at 1500.  Blarg... let's see how long this takes!

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      Weeks of research with lots of cars that are too expensive and too far away for easy collection end up in my watch list.
      Finally a possible is spotted in Fife. I go and have a look and find a poor looking but solid car. One previous owner and lots of history.
       
      The auction was to end on the Saturday at midday, we were going to be out! I decided on how much I was willing to gamble on it and on the Saturday morning I put in my max bid but straight away it went to my max bid, I was winning but it had three hours to go with no room for me to go up! We went out anyway.
       
      I spent the next three hours kicking myself for not bidding more while we were out as it was the first car I had seen that fitted my criteria. Fate was in charge.
       
      On returning home I go straight on ebay to find 'Congratulations.............'
      For the grand total of £500 I had just won this fine vehicle!
       

       
      It has 5 months MOT and after fitting seat belts in the rear for the girls car seats it is pushed into daily service.
      My gamble and subsequent use results in a perfectly reliable car that actually does what it is supposed to do.
       
      Even more importantly Mrs T loves it so a win all round.
       
      All my cars have names (most are earned over a bit of time) and this one is called 'Gwendolen' ( G reg car and from Wales originally. I hate the name but I am not going to argue)
       
      That sums up part one, more will be along later (probably much later)
    • By PhilA
      Well, here we go again. I bit the bullet and bought me this.
       

       

       
      It's still up at the lot right now, there will be a miniature Collection Thread embedded in this thread when I go fetch it. Hopefully if the weather's good, that'll be this weekend.
       
      So, what is it?
       
      As the title suggests, it's a 1951 Pontiac Chieftain.
      It's got a flat-head straight eight hiding in the engine bay, 4.4 litres of it. It's bolted to a 4-speed Hydra-Matic Drive gearbox. No torque converter on this one, just a fluid coupling. 116 horses at a screaming 3700 RPM, 240lb/ft at 2000. It idles at 375 RPM. Redline just shy of 4k.
      Did I mention it's quite big? Sixteen foot eight from end to end and it seats six people in comfort. Every door has a quarter-light, too. Comfort is provided by properly sized tyres and (quite surprisingly for the age of it) double independent wishbone front suspension. Steering is via worm/wheel steering box so is moderately direct and the brakes are hydraulic drums all round. Modern and scientific!
       
      It's an honest example; looks to have had a "restoration" about 15-20 years back and the rust is coming through the seams and filler. The bottoms of the door skins have gone, the bottom of the A-pillars have gone (the front doors, on a single hinge a piece still open and close with one finger!) And it's got a couple holes and blebs in all the places you would expect.
      Not much electrical works. It needs to be completely rewired because someone has "converted" it to 12V. Thankfully it was originally negative ground so that's a good start. Gauges and such can be driven from a 6V bucking converter.
      Engine has had some work done on it- starts and runs nicely with very little greb coming out of the exhaust. It's got a few gaskets that need replacing and the tappets need some major adjustment, the gearbox engages gears correctly, the steering is okay but has a lot of slack in the center and the brakes work well, dont sink or feel spongy but need adjustment.
       
      More to come. I'll post up more pictures when I get it home.
       
       
      --Phil
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