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1 hour ago, Zelandeth said:

Carb choice possibly?  The mounting point for the throttle return spring pretty much needs the housing to be this way round.  Wonder if other carbs were used in other applications, or if the long throttle cable run necessitated a helper spring on the Invacar, so they just flipped it round as it was a convenient mounting point for it.

Do other Steyr-Puch air cleaners have the spring mounting tab?

Other thought - I'm assuming when they were built that the completed engine assembly was plonked in as one assembly.  Given it's already shifted slightly towards the offside because of the layout, wonder if flipping that around through 180 degrees would help make it a slightly more compact and easily managed unit.

I dont think its a carb choice thing, the earlier Model 70's used the Weber 32ICS3 carb same as other 493cc Steyr puch vehicles of the time (later Model 70's had the Model 70 specific Weber 32ICS10T, but that used the same physical body as the 32ICS3)

other Steyr puch vehicles indeed had a return spring same as the Model 70 does, so I dont think thats the reason for the flipped assembly

Steyr Puch 500 1957 blue engine

I do wonder if it was for clearance reasons as you say, as you say the engine is mounted with a right side bias so getting to the air filter would of been pretty tricky  (but flipping the air filter assemble around will have also entailed adding on a bolt to the other side of the manifold as well I think for the little support bar that runs down from the air filter chamber)

im also wondering it could be that perhaps by 1971 when Model 70 Production got under way that Steyr puch had flipped the assembly themselves for some reason, and I have just not found a 1971+ Steyr puch vehicle thats not been messed with!

its quite hard to find pictures of 1970+ Steyr Puch 493cc engines, all the ones i have been able are either Model 70 engines and or have been extensively tuned and modified like most Steyr puch 500's are!

I mean you put Steyr puch engine into google and have after market lamp shade air filters like TPA has now LOL :)

(PS I put 2 and 2 together and I think I just figured out who is getting the Merc :)

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Hmm, intriguing.  There must be a reason for it. 

Your mentioning different carb types has reminded me that I really do need to have another bash at finding a service kit, or one that's at least close enough for mine.  While it works fine it weeps from several seals, which I'd really rather put a stop to.  Even just a genuine top cover gasket that's actually in decent shape would probably help.

Regarding the stubby filter on TPA - I've no idea.  Remembering how hacked about KPL was, anything is possible...and to be honest it's a bit of a surprise she even *had* an air filter.  No idea if it's an original one that was just cut down, though if they've done that they have also shortened the threaded rod things screw onto, which I'm assuming wasn't threaded all the way into the housing, so would have had to be replaced, so wasn't a ten second job.  

Pretty sure the reason for the larger filter body is to reduce noise.  The induction roar at higher speeds in TPA is really quite noticeable, which I reckon having a bit more volume in the filter housing may help muffle a bit.  Or given Steyr-Puch seem to know what they're doing it could even be tuned to help improve breathing using resonance effects to their advantage... it's all guesswork and speculation though.  Plus I've no idea why my filter is smaller!

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13 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

Hmm, intriguing.  There must be a reason for it. 

Your mentioning different carb types has reminded me that I really do need to have another bash at finding a service kit, or one that's at least close enough for mine.  While it works fine it weeps from several seals, which I'd really rather put a stop to.  Even just a genuine top cover gasket that's actually in decent shape would probably help.

Regarding the stubby filter on TPA - I've no idea.  Remembering how hacked about KPL was, anything is possible...and to be honest it's a bit of a surprise she even *had* an air filter.  No idea if it's an original one that was just cut down, though if they've done that they have also shortened the threaded rod things screw onto, which I'm assuming wasn't threaded all the way into the housing, so would have had to be replaced, so wasn't a ten second job.  

Pretty sure the reason for the larger filter body is to reduce noise.  The induction roar at higher speeds in TPA is really quite noticeable, which I reckon having a bit more volume in the filter housing may help muffle a bit.  Or given Steyr-Puch seem to know what they're doing it could even be tuned to help improve breathing using resonance effects to their advantage... it's all guesswork and speculation though.  Plus I've no idea why my filter is smaller!

Yeah! as you know im a sucker for the fine details, so I find it most curious :) 

on the carb service kit I think this might do the trick :)  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265075077626


(I do wonder what the 2 brass things on the right are?)

and if you dont want to get it from Italy Im sure haflinger technik would probably be able to help (and failing that, I do know of someone who rebuilt Model 70 carbs in the 1980's for the Ministry so have a load of rebuild kits on the shelf still)

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Brief evening additional repair distraction.

Yesterday evening the air conditioner in here packed in. 

Trying to keep this room cool without AC is impossible.  I shut everything in here that generates heat off as soon as it became apparent there was issues and threw the window wide open - was still 23C in the annexe which serves as the actual bedroom at 3AM when it was -2C outside.  If the computer is doing anything vaguely strenuous it will end up touching 30C after a few hours.  Once the room is down to temperature it's not bad to keep it there - but actually getting it down there in the first place requires the services of a heat pump!  The radiator in here has been buried and never switched on even once (seriously - there's a desk built over the top of it now) since 2014!

Fault condition was that the compressor wouldn't start - just made angry buzzing noises for a few seconds before tripping out on the internal thermal overload.

My gut feeling was that this wasn't a physical compressor failure, most likely would be the motor start capacitor which had packed in.

These Seveso units are pretty sensibly designed and are pretty easy to work on really.  Bit awkward simply because there is a lot of stuff crammed into a pretty compact unit, but not too bad really.  I knew from last time I was in there that the start cap was just screwed into the back of the fan cowling.

Hey, look at that...


Yep...one of the leads no longer being attached to the start cap, that would explain why the compressor wasn't starting.

Looks to me like the spade terminal has become a bit loose over time through vibration and heat cycling, started arcing...which made it overheat, which made it worse...until it ate away enough of the terminal that it fell off.

Evaporator could do with a clean too.


Surprisingly the capacitor tested out as absolutely fine...not bad after 30 years.

Snipped the toasty wire back to good metal, crimped a new spade terminal on, connected it up and pressed the button.  Fired straight up. 

Then just a matter of putting things back together - including the 39485659398 screws holding the back and top of the case on.

Would have been daft not to clean the evaporator while I had the front panel off (which only takes 30 seconds and two screws to remove), so gave that a good brush and vacuum out.


Straightened a few of the bent fins out a bit too.  Won't make a huge difference, but I figure even fractional efficiency improvements are still improvements.

There we go, back up and running and with the usual stack of stuff back in place.


I was going to clean the exterior unit before dumping it back outside...but ran out of enthusiasm before getting to that.  The condenser itself is perfectly clear, just looks a bit grubby.


Don't imagine you would buy one today and still have the original capacitors working fine after 30 years!


Hopefully won't need any more remedial work for a while.  At least I won't boil to death tonight.  

We would have fitted a fixed unit in here by now if we were looking to stay here long term.  However as we're likel to be moving in the next couple of years so the portable mini split will do for now.  It's several orders of magnitude more efficient than those hose-out-the-window jobs at least.  When we switched over to these from those newer domestic grade ones it caused a very obvious drop in our energy usage.

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Today I waved goodbye to the S123.


Which is staying in the fold you'll be glad to hear.


It's gone to live just up the road at the Six-Cylinder household to keep their S124 company.

If it were a project car I would have probably persevered with it, however as it was intended to be the main car on fleet that was going to be quite a major hassle if I did need to go down the engine full rebuild or replacement route as it would mean the car being out of action for an appreciable amount of time.  Was I overly optimistic thinking I could get away with treating a 34 year old Mercedes at this end of the market as my daily?  Maybe.  Nevertheless, I've always wanted an S123 so even if it wasn't without its hiccups I'm glad to have ticked that one off.

It will be replaced at some point in the near future with what's intended to be my main project for this year, which some of you may recall me mentioning a while back.


Which will be quite a rewarding revival hopefully.  They're pretty simple cars and this one by and large is exceptionally solid.  A friend on another forum has already offered me use of their car roller which will make the bit of welding on the offside sill inner several orders of magnitude easier.  Will also make doing a decent job of rust proofing it easier - though I may well still just farm that out to a specialist.

I am going to offer the BX up for grabs shortly though.  It's not urgent and if it doesn't find a new home I'll keep chipping away at getting it back on the road.  However while it's a great example and if I had all the space in the world I'd keep it - it doesn't really fit anywhere in my current fleet requirements and I'd really rather have the space back.  My main intent back when I picked it up was to ensure that it remained safe from the scrapper and to ensure its chances of survival were maximised.  It's now running well and aside from needing the rear hydraulic lines replaced (which isn't a small job, especially laying on your back in the garden), I don't reckon is far from an MOT at all.

A very heavy package arrived this afternoon, catching me completely by surprise as it's not meant to be here until the end of next week and still isn't shown as even having been dispatched yet.


Unfortunately having had quite a busy day aside from peeking in the box to grab the manual so I could confirm the grade of oil the engine needs I've not had a chance to look at it yet.


Should be a decent upgrade from a fairly low end electric pressure washer...and having 30 metres of hose to play with will be a massive help in itself compared to the four I'm used to.  Putting that all together will be tomorrow afternoon's task.  Then hopefully I can give the engine bay in the Caddy a bit of a clean up, ready to refit the contents of the second box that turned up today.


Hardly mission critical, but will just be nice to not know it's missing.  Plus it provides support for the top of the dipstick tube which currently vibrates a LOT at idle because of resonance effects.  Just three bolts hold it on so hardly a major hassle to remove for access.

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Bobdisk very kindly dropped by today with his diagnostic gizmo to hook up to the OBD2 port on the Caddy.  As we had hoped, a couple of codes were logged.


The first of which is the interesting one.

"Motor for intake flap (V157) - sporadic - open/short circuit to earth."

The second code is expected as it's indicating the solenoid for the EGR valve being open circuit - because I've unplugged it.

This is really useful as it gives me a component to home in on with my investigation.  First port of call is to make sure the wiring to it isn't obviously damaged as it is quite exposed.  Then we'll give it a good clean, which it really wants anyway.

Apparently this vehicle had issues with the aftermarket alarm at some point, hence it's loom being left in this state.

Alarm sounder end:


Bulkhead end:


Turns out that one of those wires does indeed still have 12V on it too in addition to being a gaping hole through the bulkhead.

I've now found that end of the tail (buried behind the heater box), and each of the wires has been taped, heat shrink covered then the tail as a whole treated the same way.  The actual alarm module is buried up behind the centre console and I didn't have the patience to go chasing that further today.

This lot was pulled out.


The above area now looks like this.  By pure chance I found a bung sitting on the drive that was exactly the right size to fill the hole left by that alarm wiring.



Much better.

While in that corner I dropped a new pollen filter in.


Far easier than on a huge number of modern cars.  Old one wasn't horrible so has definitely been changed before, but was definitely due a change.


I wanted to make sure I had actually picked up the correct engine cover as there are a few variants so dropped that on as well.



Should have the covers for the mounting points here in a couple of days (along with a replacement for the broken lock pull for the driver's door).  It takes about 90 seconds to remove/install so am not bothered about it being a hindrance at service time.  Plus makes a convenient tray to put things in once it's removed, which is nice as this engine bay does lack a convenient flat area to put anything.

It *does* make a noticeable difference to noise levels at least outside the van too so does serve at least some useful purpose.

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  • Zelandeth changed the title to Zel's Motoring Adventures...Citroen, Mercs, VW, AC Model 70 & A Sinclair C5 - 22/01 - Caddy Diagnostic Session Results...

As a follow up to the appearance of this box on Friday, what was in it?


After about half an hour of assembly, this.


Assembly was about as simple as you could ask for - all the necessary tools and some PTFE tape were in the box.


The biggest complaint I'd seen from people in reviews of this unit was that they were managing to melt the hose that runs between the pump and hose reel on the exhaust.  Have to assume they had it routed like this.


Whereas if you just route it like this and stick a couple of cable ties in place it's a non-issue.


Yes the reel is very obviously an afterthought they just managed to find space to bolt onto the frame as it does make access to the pull start slightly awkward.


Really not badly though so long as you've uncoiled the hose, which you're meant to do before starting the engine anyway.  

Speaking of the hose...being used to working with a crappy little plastic thing with a 4 metre hose meaning I was forever having to move it round a car while cleaning it, this amount of reach is pure luxury.


That's not even using the additional ten metre extension that came in the box!

Will be so nice not having to keep moving the unit around.  Can just get on with the job at hand.

Fit and finish is a lot better than I was expecting to be honest.  Just a shame the polystyrene packing has reacted with the paint on the frame in one spot.  Everything slotted, clipped or screwed together nicely as it was mean to and I had no issues with sharp edges or burrs on anything.

Engine is your typical Honda clone which turns up on everything from go karts to lawn mowers to generators...and while I'd obviously prefer the real thing (or being me to be honest, a flathead Briggs), I've never personally had any issues with these on any of my equipment or anything I've helped others look after.  If it was being used for hours on end every day, maybe.  For a couple of hours every week or two it should be fine.




It does have a low oil shutoff, which is always nice to have on a piece of equipment like this.

The detergent tank is a nice detail rather than just a hose dangling off to dip in a bottle (which inevitably gets either lost or broken) or an awkward thing you have to clip to the lance like the Nilfisk this replaces had.


As for performance?  Well you'd expect it to have more punch than the 1400W electric ones given the engine here is rated at 5500W if my math is right (8hp).  Yep... that's definitely the case...you properly have to brace yourself when pulling the trigger on this and use common sense as even with the wider nozzles fitted I don't doubt for a second that this thing will strip paint off metal if you're not careful.

Hoping to give it a proper test in the week, today was just a run of a few minutes to make sure everything behaved, and allowed me to blast some of the worst of the gunk out of the gutters and after a dousing in degreaser, the engine bay of the Caddy.  Not an oily engine anyway, just grubby from 20 years of use.  The washer bottle is going to need separate attention, but it generally looks a lot cleaner now.


Cars are much likely to get cleaned now as this reduces the hassle factor massively!

List price for this is £379, though it was discounted to £330 when I ordered it - decided it was a good thing to stick the £100 or so of vouchers I've had sitting around literally for years to use for - plus my nan sent some money at Christmas too...so good excuse for a new toy I reckon!

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      1999 Toyota Avensis CDX. V781 GDP. By far the best car I've ever had. Bought in 2002 for £5300, it had previously been a company car at British Telecom. I ran it from 62,000 to 174,000 before it became surplus to requirements. A German chap bought it on ebay for about £500 and drove over to collect it. Hero.

      2001 Ford Mondeo Zetec by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      2001 Ford Mondeo Zetec. Y821 EEB. I should have loved this car. I gave £500 for it in 2008 which was stupidly cheap by anybody's standards. It needed 4 tyres (which actually was nice to pick good ones for once) and a coil spring. Sadly, it was just bill after bill after bill. I sold it and promised to never own another Ford. I nearly succeeded.

      1998 Nissan Almera by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      1998 Nissan Almera GX Auto. S58 NLO. My late Grandfather's car and, upon reflection, my first proper attempt at bangernomics. I bought it for £500 in 2008 from the estate and ran it for well over a year and 30,000 miles. It was also my first automatic which, whilst a bit dumb, did lock up into overdrive and give a good 36 mpg no matter how it was driven.

      2004 Ford Fiesta 1.25 LX and 2006 Ford Focus 2.0 Ghia by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      2004 Ford Fiesta Zetec. AG53 BWL. My wife's car which I ran for a couple of years when I bought her a Focus as a wedding gift.

      2003 Rover 75 by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      2003 Rover 75 Club SE. AX53 BFA. This is where my career as a serial car buyer really began. Ignoring all of the warning signs I decided to press a K Series into a daily 100 mile commute, which it did with aplomb. This wasn't actually the car I set out to buy, the one I'd agreed to buy OVERHEATED ON THE FORECOURT whilst I was doing the paperwork. Consequently I couldn't leave fast enough and bought a different car later that day.

      2004 Toyota Avensis T30-X by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      2004 Toyota Avensis T3-X. KT53 DWZ. Sensible head back on, I decided to get back into something I trusted when my 3rd son was born. This was a lovely car, but not without its problems. The VVTi oil burning issues are well documented and do frequently occur. Ironically, this was less reliable than the Rover it replaced! Despite fearing the worst and 3 months off the road, the new owner has just MOTd it.

      1999 Toyota Avensis SR by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      1999 Toyota Avensis SR. V263 GDP. Back into bangernomics territory again. The last MK1 Avensis I had was the best car I'd ever had, so I hoped to replicate it with another T22 Avensis. This one came up for sale in my favourite (and rare) colour with a numberplate sequential to my previous car - so it was meant to be. I still have this now, and tomorrow it will tick around to 185,000 miles having been bought by me at 100,500.

      Side Bitches

      1974 Morris Mini 1000 by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      1974 Morris Mini 1000. GEL 517N. Well, I always wanted one - and was young, free, single and well off at the time (2003). A memorable trip to buy it when I called my new girlfriend by my ex girlfriend's name 20 miles into a 200 mile weekend away. She's never forgiven or forgotten but we're still friends. Oh - and married.

      1977 Ford Capri II GL by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      1977 Ford Capri II 1600 GL. SMY 675R. I can't remember why I bought this, other than I thought it'd be amusing. It was bought from Norwich for £350 and was perfectly well behaved for the 8 months that I had it (other than a flasher unit expiring). I remember being shocked just how much the windscreen would ice up inside, and duly sold it in November to a guy who was going to drive it daily! It's still alive and now, apparently, black! (Update - it's now silver!!!)

      1989 Volvo 340 DL by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      1989 Volvo 340 DL. G67 AVN. I bought this for £80. Unbelievable. It was utterly bloody perfect. I wanted to do a banger rally which is why the guy gave it to me so cheap. I'm still yet to do that rally, but no longer have the car. I sold it for about £300 to a family who were clearly down on their luck who, I hope, still have the car.

      1996 Toyota Granvia by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      1996 Toyota Granvia. N775 JEV. My wife and I decided to increase our numbers further and, with our 4th son on the way, larger transport was required. We quickly realised you can either have 4 children and no apparel, or apparel and no children. After trying a very tired Mercedes Viano, the Granvia was found for 1/4 of the price and it's still here 2 years later. I can safely say that we'll never sell it - it really is another member of the family.

      1993 Mercedes 190e by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      1993 Mercedes 190e. L795 COJ. I've admired these cars since I was a child. In fact, one of the very few toy cars I still have from my childhood is a Mercedes 190e. Regular readers of "Memoirs from the Hard Shoulder" will know what a PITA this car has been since day 1, but I get the feeling it's a keeper. We'll see!

      1983 Ford Sierra Base 1.6 by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      1983 Ford Sierra Base. GVG 510Y. Not explicitly my car, but it should be documented here for reference. Oh - and the V5 is in my name. The story is online for all to read as to how five of us acquired what is believed to be the only remaining Ford Sierra Base. Make a brew and read it, it's a fantastic story.

      1982 Ford Sierra L by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      1982 Ford Sierra L. LCR 503Y. I accidentally won this on ebay for £520. Upon reflection, I shouldn't have sold it - but short stop of saying I regret it. I could never get truly comfortable driving it and, in fairness, I could scratch my Sierra itch with the base if I wanted. Sold it at a stupid profit of £1250. It is believed to be the oldest remaining Ford Sierra in the UK.

      1979 Volvo 343 DL by Bornite Identity, on Flickr
      1979 Volvo 343 DL. DBY 466T As you'll see above, I'd had a 360GLT as a younger lad and fancied one of these earlier cars. The variomatic is, frankly, terrible but amusing. This car has just 8000 miles on the clock and inside was absolutely timewarp. Sadly, the huge bill for the Mercedes 190e cylinder head rebuild meant I had to sell this car shortly after acquiring it. Since then I've had a bit of money luck, and now realise I didn't need to sell it after all. Typical.

      I think that's it. My arthritis is playing up even more now. I've left out a few cars that were actually my wife's, but if I find pictures will add them in at a later date. I'll run this as an ongoing thread on cars and what's happening.

      Current SitRep:

      Purple Avensis: Just about to click over 185,000. Minor drama this week when an HT lead split but otherwise utterly fantastic, fantastically boring and boringly reliable.

      Granvia: Just done 1000 miles in a month around Norfolk, 6 up with suitcases. 31mpg achieved on the way up which is good for an old tub with a 3.0 Turbo Diesel on board. ODO displaying 175,000 which is a mix of miles and kilometers. Say 130,000 miles for argument's sake.

      Mercedes: Being a PITA. It's had the top end completely rebuilt after the chain came off. Now needs welding to pass another MOT and the gearbox bearings are on strike. It's about to go into the garage for winter until I can stomach it again. 151,000 miles on the clock.

      Sierra bASe: Still on sabbatical with AngryDicky who only took it bloody camping in cornwall! Legend.
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