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On the fence about whether or not to give this a go; I haven't seen an episode of TG for about ten years or so now (wouldn't have missed it in the 1990s).

Personally, I used to watch it cos I like cars. What alienated me was that many episodes seemed to focus simply on Clarkson and co destroying quite nice cars, apparently 'for the bantz'. I don't get it.

The tiresome Marina/piano thing seemed particularly unnecessary, and I gather their Grand Tour rehash is pretty much more of the same, with a recent 'highlight' being Hammond taking a hammer to a really clean, low mile Allegro 3 estate that had been enthusiast owned for many years.

Yeah yeah, their car, their choice, sure - but just why??? Why would you even do that? Is it really a good thing to put out there to Joe Public, that the act of trashing a nice old car is somehow hilarious? Perhaps having had so many of my cars horribly vandalised over the years, I can't really find much humour in it.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems the equivalent of Antiques Roadshow presenters taking Stanley knives to Victorian portraits and lump hammers to crockery and clocks - or else David Attenborough travelling the world to find rare creatures in their natural habitat just so he could shoot them with a pellet gun while laughing like a drain.

So slap my thigh and call me Queen Victoria, because we are not amused.

Anyway. As you were.

Maybe this latest bunch of blokes to shuffle around the studio being blokey don't go in for these sort of zany antics - but I think I might've talked myself out of watching it anyway.

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I've recently been watching a lot of old Top Gear (90s) and it's remarkable how different it was in most respects, essentially a televised version of the magazine. But it was also quite helpful. 

I'd love to say that there is room again for something like that but new Top Gear made thrashing stuff round an airfield the norm, so roadtests involving normal situations would no doubt send everyone to sleep. 

What is evident is that for the most part, the older Top Gear seemed to come across as far more passionate about what it was projecting. The Motorsport stuff with Tony Mason would no doubt work well today, wouldn't hurt to get people watching rallying again either?! And maybe some consumer advice, although without that vampire Quentin at the wheel, would be useful. Tiff and (younger, thinner, less bald) Clarkson had a pretty good back and fourth...

 

I did watch quite a lot of The Grand Tour recently and I actually like it. Well no, I don't like Hammond, who seems to be constantly trying to outdo the others with some weird, beyond his scope personality traits, he just seems to me like the human embodiment of a mid life crisis these days. Clarkson and May are actually both pretty much as they were. It's more of an entertainment show that happens to feature cars....

 

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12 hours ago, skoda_fan said:

There seems to be a lot of love for it here which is fair enough but it's not for me. Yet another strained rehash of the Clarkson and co format which worked for them (albeit even then it became tiresome) but seems totally contrived with any other three. I stuck with it through the first Ethiopia bit, mainly because the cars were vaguely interesting (though even then they had to include the inevitable token Porsche). Then the Ferrari bit came up (there is after all no other make of car worth talking about)…..yawn...bored now....switched off. My feeling is the format has run its course and needs canning. But they won't do that because it's such a money spinner. Sorry.

Yeah, same again here really. Paddy Mcguiness is really annoying. There really is no need to be that loud. You can be quiet and funny (James May was the best of the other three. His other programmes are very watchable). 

But the main point is it's just more of the same. They can carry on picking three random blokes and see if they get on, but even if they do, the format is now tired. They've been pretty much everywhere and all the road trips are completely contrived. Like if a bit falls off someone's car there just happens to be a camera by the roadside at that exact moment. Coincidence? Yeah, sure. I remember one one of their races, Hammond and May got off a Eurostar at Waterloo (which dates it to pre 2007!) and got on a number 26 bus. They boarded a some sort of Alexander Dennis low floor thing then the interior shot was of an ex LT Metrobus that was probably 20 years older. 

 

Somehow they need a completely new format. I've no idea what that should be but preferably, as others have mentioned above, something that doesn't destroy perfectly good old cars. 

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Yeah I remember that bus bit, it annoyed me too at the time. Mixed with all the perfectly dressed and presented (and entirely white) passengers all looking like the worst extras they arguably were, and it was obviously a padded out later shooting, which I think they did admit to doing on more than a few occasions.

 

 

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As I have said, I enjoyed the Clarkson era, but not the destruction of classics. In the early years, I stopped watching for some time because they seemed to destroy 2cvs regularly (or I saw the same episode several times!) but it did get better. I wont deny there was destruction, but it did seem to become more about the presenters than "let's smash an old car!" While the Reliant episode IS funny, was it really much funnier than the Peel one, where nothing got destroyed? The destruction seemed to continue to some degree in every version that has followed, including the crash in the last episode.  If things happen, fair enough, but deliberate crashing doesn't really amuse me.

There did seem to be quite a bit of bullying of Chris Harris in this last episode, but I only saw the second half so there may have been some balance. Will have to see if this is "banter" or worse.  I quite liked Rory, although it seems many didn't, and am yet to be convinced by the new team, but I will watch again.

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The low point of the clarkson era for me at least was a segment where they bought 2 old cars. Normally my fave sort of segment. He and may bought a couple of mid 2000’s retractable tin lid convertibles- Peugeots I think. They just broke them/ tried to make a point about a certain type of driver and car. It was lazy and it simply wasn’t funny either, just quite cringey. 

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1 hour ago, HMC said:

The low point of the clarkson era for me at least was a segment where they bought 2 old cars. Normally my fave sort of segment. He and may bought a couple of mid 2000’s retractable tin lid convertibles- Peugeots I think. They just broke them/ tried to make a point about a certain type of driver and car. It was lazy and it simply wasn’t funny either, just quite cringey. 

That'll be this one then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TnGjq9mWSI

Annoyed the hell out of me, not just because I quite fancy Peugeots but also given that Hammond had rated the 407 reasonably well at launch. A very lazy, cringy feature indeed.

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11 hours ago, Chris2cv said:

  I quite liked Rory, although it seems many didn't, and am yet to be convinced by the new team, but I will watch again.

+1 for Rory here. I thought he was the most likeable/watchable of that particular gang (of the episodes I could actually be arsed to watch).

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Not saying that I was a massive fan, but he seemed enthusiastic and pretty genuine in his presenting, just a fairly normal guy (I suppose the Hammond of that version). Harris is obviously the one with the knowledge about cars, (May) where Matt was the "personality". I would have thought it better to have bought in a new third presenter and kept Chris and Rory, instead of what happened. But, time will tell.  

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Electric conversions on sportscars is where it’s at this week. Hopefully budget constraints mean old end of life models have been sourced by the production team. Will it be an intellectual challenge or will it get all bash it with a hammer (que laughter) - an interesting acid test of how these segments will be treated with the new line up.

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Actually I think there’s a clip of a triumph spitfire understeering (how did they manage that?) into some barriers so that’s one of the vehicles.

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caught the end of harris sentence where he said spitfire with i3 bits underneath (i was on the throne as its more fun than listening to mcguinness)

not interested in the others - mmmm spitfire :D

 

 

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Even liked the review of the Tesla-fitted in with the rest of the show. Well, except the Stars in a Car feature, but that can do one, although it does allow me to.make a cup of tea without pausing the program.

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On 6/20/2019 at 8:13 PM, Yoss said:

and got on a number 26 bus. They boarded a some sort of Alexander Dennis low floor thing

Trident ALX400 to be specific :)  http://www.countrybus.org/TA_Stagecoach/TA_1.htm (it made me feel mighty old when Ian added them to his bus stop!)

pretty much the only low floor bus that I like/I think looks  halfway decent, I might be slightly* influenced by the fact I grew up on them the 26 48 and 55 are literally the 3 local routes here, and where all run by stagecoach with Tridents for a very long time :) (my mum remembers them pre tridents when they were serviced by Volvo Olympians but sadly I dont, I just fondly remember Routemasters on Route 38 and 73)

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On 6/20/2019 at 12:46 PM, Datsuncog said:

.....tiresome Marina/piano thing seemed particularly unnecessary, and I gather their Grand Tour rehash is pretty much more of the same, with a recent 'highlight' being Hammond taking a hammer to a really clean, low mile Allegro 3 estate that had been enthusiast owned for many years....

Nothing's changed, then.

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How much is a basic service on a BMW 320, main competitor to the Tesla S?

It rarely gets pointed out that the Tesla won't need a service in the same sense that the BMW has one. Or does the BBC not want to say that?

My electric scooter service consists of a check on brakes, lights, head and wheel bearings, and tyres. Takes all of 10 minutes, with no parts such as oil and filters to buy.

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55 minutes ago, Jerzy Woking said:

How much is a basic service on a BMW 320, main competitor to the Tesla S?

It rarely gets pointed out that the Tesla won't need a service in the same sense that the BMW has one. Or does the BBC not want to say that?

My electric scooter service consists of a check on brakes, lights, head and wheel bearings, and tyres. Takes all of 10 minutes, with no parts such as oil and filters to buy.

Ooh...colour me curious.  What's that like to ride?

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Have to say last night's episode was quite good for the most part, the road test of the Tesla was actually useful and felt like proper journalism.

Had Clarkson done it, they would have "tested" it by drifting it around a shopping centre whilst being chased by helicopter gunships or suchlike.

But I would have expected nothing less from Chris Harris, I like him and he seems to have a bit of integrity. He has singled out quite rightly that a) electric cars are happening and B) the new Tesla is probably going to be the most important one of this current EV generation because of who it's aimed at and how "normal" it is. He delivered some genuine consumer advice and I feel I know more about the car.

I'm not 100% on McGuiness yet. He's just too showbiz for me and I can't see past that dreadful "take me out" pish.......however on balance he did do Phoenix nights......

Flintoff is the big surprise. Some of the studio bits feel a bit wooden but that will likely polish out over the series. However outside the studio he comes across really likeable, no airs or graces. This is not what I expected, I tuned in convinced I wouldn't warm to him and the opposite is true.

Sent from my TA-1012 using Tapatalk

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11 hours ago, Zelandeth said:

Ooh...colour me curious.  What's that like to ride?

It's God-its a Lifan Eco 3. Definately faster than a 50cc four stroke scooter or bike, both in acceleration and top speed. Mine will get to 38 mph in favourable conditions. I have got 30.miles out of a charge (it dropped to 10% at that mileage). Charging takes about 8 hours which is done every two rides (I do round trips of about 10 miles each time). Takes seconds to plug the charger in.

Main difference is the absence of noise, which on a 50cc bike isn't much either. Running costs are cheap-costs about six pence to charge overnight.

Was thinking of selling it as it wasn't fitting into my plans, but started to use it again now. I like it.

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6 hours ago, They_all_do_that_sir said:

Have to say last night's episode was quite good for the most part, the road test of the Tesla was actually useful and felt like proper journalism.

Had Clarkson done it, they would have "tested" it by drifting it around a shopping centre whilst being chased by helicopter gunships or suchlike.

But I would have expected nothing less from Chris Harris, I like him and he seems to have a bit of integrity. He has singled out quite rightly that a) electric cars are happening and B) the new Tesla is probably going to be the most important one of this current EV generation because of who it's aimed at and how "normal" it is. He delivered some genuine consumer advice and I feel I know more about the car.

I'm not 100% on McGuiness yet. He's just too showbiz for me and I can't see past that dreadful "take me out" pish.......however on balance he did do Phoenix nights......

Flintoff is the big surprise. Some of the studio bits feel a bit wooden but that will likely polish out over the series. However outside the studio he comes across really likeable, no airs or graces. This is not what I expected, I tuned in convinced I wouldn't warm to him and the opposite is true.

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Couldn’t agree more on all points. The showbizzy aspect of mcguinness I agree with, but like at the electric car expo to me it comes across a bit tongue in cheek and not taking himself seriously so to my mind that’s fine

 

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