alcyonecorporation Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 That must have happened before they decided to pay money for such a thing. "Ja, this is what I am supposed to be driving." "I do not wish to drive this." Partridge, 320touring, Conrad D. Conelrad and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Didn't the early Sierra gain a reputation for folding up in a crash? Even banger racers well used to origami Cortinas wouldn't touch the Sierra, which - at the age when cars are considered ripe for a last blast around a short oval - had all the crashworthiness of a damp cardboard eggbox. Mundano? Nails, m8. alcyonecorporation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbaldy Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 ALL OLD CARS ARE SHIT! Which motoring journalist said, old cars are shit if they where any good they would still be making them. The word may have been rubbish not shit though. Timewaster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcyonecorporation Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Which motoring journalist said, old cars are shit if they where any good they would still be making them. The word may have been rubbish not shit though. jeremy clarksonnond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbaldy Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Close but no banana for you, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcyonecorporation Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 curious george Rusty_Rocket 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For Fiats Sake Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Problem with standardised testing is that cars are made to pass the tests, not perform in the real world. Worked really well with engines didn't it? Isn't there a lamp post test that no car does well on? I'm not going to wrap excess footage of car around me just to get a false sense of security, I'll stick to my pandas and take the risk, at least I'll have a fun drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Which motoring journalist said, old cars are shit if they where any good they would still be making them. The word may have been rubbish not shit though.Tiff Neddle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbaldy Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 curious george Which paper did he write for then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantingYoof Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Isn't there a lamp post test that no car does well on? The S90 does rather well, considering it's a pretty tough test... https://youtu.be/ERIRG22leZo?t=1m35s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Which motoring journalist said,old cars are shit if they where any good they would still be making them. The word may have been rubbish not shit though. Sounds rather too erudite for LJKS... alcyonecorporation and Lacquer Peel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbaldy Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Who's ljks then.Alcyonecorporation was the closest as it was one of the last of the summer wine gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insideimsmiling Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 So Mr May I assume, and it is LJKSetright the late Bristol lover (pfnar) and Prelude four wheel steer supporter Chaserracer is referring to who wrote for Car and others I his day. Entertaining at times but also slightly up his own arse at times in the style that is copied by many motoring journalists brought up on his writing today.As for older cars and safety I have only had one major shunt which was many years ago in a pristine Volvo 480es, the police and ambulance crew both said in most cars I would have not made it and once went to view the wreck and the damage done I had to agree and decided there and then safety first. So with the insurance payout hot on my hand I went looking for another Volvo, only to find a rather soppy for itself looking GTM Rossa which was a mid engined minim based plastic kit car. So with high excitement I bought it and drove off with nothing but plastic and a spare wheel in front of me. In the end with petrol in my veins the looks and the drive came first, heart over head like most of us on here. even today I buzz about in old MGF,s so rather more solid but still mid engined and far less safe than my big Jag XJ8, but on the right road and the right day, such a grin and memorable drives in such cars that will live with me forever even if I don't. No one wants to see anyone hurt and I did ditch kit cars once my son was born realising that a Triumph straight six is safer in my 2000 saloon I owned at the time than the Moss roadster I most often drove (even in the snow) but new cars did not give me that same connection, isolating me from the road and also from the actual speed being driven I must admit. That is why Autoshite beats Pistonheads for me, it's the love of cars not the ego boosting Germanic wallet drainers most there favour which made me stop bothering to post or even read the comments there. So many seemed intent on showing off or just putting others down in an almost bullying fashion - but that's a whole other topic. scdan4 and FakeConcern 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I am not knocking the Metro, It was just how far car crash safety has come since 1997 that is all. Oh did it just. Rusty_Rocket 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgyBastard Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Have I logged onto bangernomics or piston heads? I can't tell... scdan4, BorniteIdentity, theorganist and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bub2006 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I was told by someone a while back now that the c15 would be shite in a crash and modern vans are stronger. My come back was the escort van was a rot box and I survived OK. Wouldn't like to test it again though. chaseracer, stephen01, For Fiats Sake and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacquer Peel Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Didn't the Escort roll? That dissipates the energy of a crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bub2006 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Not first of all. It accelerated faster than it ever did then went arse over nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Didn't the Escort roll? That dissipates the energy of a crash. Only after the BMW had increased the velocity of the rear of the van to twice that of the front. Luckily, the Royal Snail specified full bulkheads on their Escort vans... EDIT: Beaten to it by our man on the scene! Lacquer Peel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacquer Peel Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Massive crumple zone. Vans FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantingYoof Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Not first of all. It accelerated faster than it ever did then went arse over noseJesus wept bub you could star in the next Fast and Furious film crawling out of stuff like that. I saw the photos but didn't imagine that shit... *astonished* Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Longbridge Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 This thread brings back memories of the mid 1980's, and being a passenger in my mates friends Saab. It was the first time I'd been near a Saab, and the thing felt like a league apart from any other car I'd travelled in. It made my father's mk3 Escrot seem like a weakly motorised bean tin in comparison. As soon as the owner realised he had a ten year old with many questions about his turbocharged Swede steed, he told me the story of how he'd ended up with the car. Apparently, his previous Saab had been written off when he was in a heavy collision with a lorry, which had ended up parked on his O/S windscreen pillar. He walked away unscathed, and maintained that that he'd have likely been crushed in most mainstream cars in that scenario. His thanks for his survival was to remain brand loyal. If I knew I was to become involved in an uncomfortable parking incident with a large vee-hicle, I reckon a large Swedish barge would be a decent weapon of choice. In the meantime, I'll continue driving my MR2, because although there's much more chance I'll die in a ding dong, it's lots of fun on the way there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcyonecorporation Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Who's ljks then. Alcyonecorporation was the closest as it was one of the last of the summer wine gang. teresa may Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyW201 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Quite uncomfortable viewing for me, that video.I had an identical 100 to the one in that video. At 6 months old I stacked it into the side of a VW T4 van which was attempting to swing across an NSL road (the Cowpen Bewley road from Port Clarence towards Billingham if anyone knows it) into the entrance road to a farm to turn and go the other way. I slowed a bit along the fast sweeping right hander to about 50 and saw the van halfway across the road. I slammed the brakes on and pulled the wheel to the right and hoped, there wasn't much else to do. The nearside of the car smacked into the side of the van. It was a lwb T4 full of spares and tools as it belonged to a fork lift truck repair company so it was a heavy old unit!Luckily I hit it almost side on, if it had been more front on, I don't think I'd have walked away like I did. I was also lucky the car bounced off into the farm entrance road rather than bounce over the high kerb into field either side of it. The car was an instant write off despite being only 6 months old with 4000 miles on it. The ns front wheel was shifted back about 4 inches, folding the front floor pan in. The A pillar was also moved back, jamming the door and kinking the roof above the door. The dash came away at the nearside and even the drivers door was hard to open. Not to mention the knackered wing, bumper, headlight, grille, bonnet. To cap a perfect day off, after I got to work (5 minutes from the scene, typical), phoned for recovery and got a lift back to the car from a workmate, I found it had been broken into so it had a smashed window, no stereo and half my tapes gone as well... Despite the damage I always reckoned it did quite well as I walked away with nothing more than quite a large bruise on the side of my leg where the gear lever whacked into it. Amazingly the car (or parts of it) got put back on the road and stayed on the road for quite a few years.Being so new,the insurance company related it for a brand new car. Another 100... FakeConcern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabamaShrimp Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 That thing about the Saab above has reminded me of some ingredients I saw on that crappy 999 programme years ago. A Morris Minor was squashed under a truck just off junction 24 M62 in Huddersfield. Driver was OK as the shape of the car is what stopped it splatting. Crash tests are all well and good but people don't tend to hit stuff exactly like the test. For Fiats Sake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faker Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 In reality very few vehicles do well in these tests. Normal impacts (such as vehicular and masonry involving vehicular contact), the objects all move and flex. Hit a wall and generally the wall will collapse, and and the vehicle will carry on. I have excellent pics of a Honda Jazz and a Honda civic (ep3 5dr) which struck each other head on - offside front to offside front. Both cars fared very well. Both were still able to open doors. Both occupants walked away. Occurred on a bend on a national speed limit road, both cars were travelling in excess of 40. Neither one looked remotely like their crash test video... The test cars impact a solid wall that simply doesn't move or obsorb any of the impact. They do show what can happen in the worst possible senario, Just my opinion. AlabamaShrimp and Lacquer Peel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bub2006 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Jesus wept bub you could star in the next Fast and Furious film crawling out of stuff like that. I saw the photos but didn't imagine that shit... *astonished* Sent from my GT-I9505 using TapatalkI climbed out but was pissed off due to my phone, 1 hearing aid and my fags were missing. Along with years of tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 It really is purely down to luck in a lot of cases. I was in a Capri, which had two unrestrained fat blokes in the back, that was stuffed into a tree at 70mph and nobody was hurt, yet other people have died in less severe collisions in safer cars. The driver only had a provisional licence, so in theory I was responsible for the car. It's because of people like us that new and young drivers aren't allowed to supervise learners any more. Lacquer Peel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobthebeard Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 A relative and good friend is in hospital fighting for his life. Let's call him John. (Because he is actually called John, but anyway).He is one big strong bloke, ex rugby player and tough as feck. Had a decent job and always had new company cars. Usually German stuff. BMW, Mercedes, Audi and recently a Chrysler 300 thing. All probably do well in NCAP testing. Him and his wife bought an apartment in Spain and are due to retire. They hired a small and crappy rental car when they went there for this Christmas. They didn't have an accident in it... Indeed they have never had one. John got struck down with a bacterial infection in his spine on 28th December. Air ambulance back to Stepping Hill hospital in Manchester a week or so ago and still there. Almost died, but is improving we think. Lost a lot of weight and muscle mass. On constant antibiotics.My point?You may hit a concrete NCAP wall in a prescribed simulated manner and survive. You may never hit anything. All down to chance and whatever.. Life innit.I appreciate that this is possibly drivel,But, John Constantine please get better mate. Edit... Sorry folks. The words just came tumbling out. scdan4, For Fiats Sake and KruJoe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewaster Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Which motoring journalist said, old cars are shit if they where any good they would still be making them. The word may have been rubbish not shit though.I have a few issues with this. Firstly, of the vehicles with the longest production run, most are crap. (And British but that's not the point.) mini (I love them but they are massively flawed). Metro / R100 which is where we came in. LandRover - keeping chiropractors in business with their ergonomics. Sherpa see dedicated thread. Beetle (I don't love them and they are massively flawed). Morris Oxford / Hindustan Contessa Secondly, assuming it was J May he once stated in print that the best car in the world is the 1991 Citroën AXGT. I had one and it was NOT the best car in the world. And it would perform about as well as a wet tissue in an NCAP test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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