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Thanks Mr Tidybeard

Much appreciated. and yet I will do a early late RRC light video and how to spot a ringa

Today however much ballsache. Engine now balanced and running, however blowing oil on overrun - Valve stems and ticking like a bastard 2 or so hydraulic lifters are not working.

Going to get a quality set of lifters and investigate oil stem seal which iirc this head cannot accommodate. so valve stems are too worn. gah

I do have a fresh set of heads ready to drop on, just 1/2 days work to strip down the top end, replace gaskets and reassemble.

Pics and diagnosis to follow this weekend. MoT has been pushed back to next week

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2 hours ago, richardthestag said:

Thanks Mr Tidybeard

Much appreciated. and yet I will do a early late RRC light video and how to spot a ringa

Today however much ballsache. Engine now balanced and running, however blowing oil on overrun - Valve stems and ticking like a bastard 2 or so hydraulic lifters are not working.

Going to get a quality set of lifters and investigate oil stem seal which iirc this head cannot accommodate. so valve stems are too worn. gah

I do have a fresh set of heads ready to drop on, just 1/2 days work to strip down the top end, replace gaskets and reassemble.

Pics and diagnosis to follow this weekend. MoT has been pushed back to next week

i'm guessing the next vid may contain expletivesūü§£

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Great work going on here! And good info for anyone else working on Range Rovers or Rover V8s.

How are you for carbs? I have a pair of Zenith Strombergs spare, which were new in 2014. Just a heads up before they go on eBay:

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22 hours ago, mat_the_cat said:

Great work going on here! And good info for anyone else working on Range Rovers or Rover V8s.

How are you for carbs? I have a pair of Zenith Strombergs spare, which were new in 2014. Just a heads up before they go on eBay:

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I have a few sets, I tend to rebuild them myself, what sort of price are you looking at for them? 

Cheers, Richard

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Beautiful peoples

Episode 17 is on yootoob,  without realising it is the least sweary episode yet :D

 

now onto the next stage and some spoiler for episode 18 which is still being processed.

Firstly engine oil burning issues were down to a blocked breather pipe on the RH head! such a silly problem with such a massive impact. Sleeping on it helped me find the problem next day with zero dismantlage and more importantly zero expense.

Barely a week ago I was at home, blasting stuff clean, getting busy with the wire brush on the angle grinder.

Here is why I do wear a carbon filter mask when doing this sort of shit

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Results were good, next up was satin black powder coat

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distracted briefly to help Mrs Thestag at a carboot sale - fucking hate them. BUT did bag this baby for 50p

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This is the pipe that caused me so much bother, looks fine here but when the air filter is installed it is kinked.

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Tailgates fitted beautifully. more issues were to follow here, because the tailgates are 2mm too close

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inside of bonnet was grit blasted back, epoxy primed

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paint on, not the greatest but for inside of the bonnet it is tidy enough

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finally got the 3/16 threaded rod so I could link up the carbs correctly. Did a massive choon up and got the carbs and engine running sweet. It was at around this point that I noticed the buring oil in the exhaust

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Irritated by that issue I moved onto other stuff, proving that the diff lock was working found an electric issue with the bulb circuit in the cars original switch.

This was one I borrowed from one of the projects. electrics are good on this but the vacuum switch is fubar. made one good switch out of the two

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Nice 3d number plates arrived, super quick. Very pleased with these. Makes a massive change from the horrible trend of pressed aluminium plates on everything!

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Wired up the number plate lights, the caps are in queue for powder coating tomorrow

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I think this looks the bollocks, re powder coated bumpers are being picked up Tuesday, back end will be finished then 

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Having fixed the oil burning issue drove up and down the field but could only get into 3rd gear even with low ratio selected. Might have been for a whizz around the block. Transmission is silky for an LT95 which is agricultural at best. 

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Only issue really is that the tappets are tapping, maybe 2 hydraulic tappets have not settled. oil pressure is good. New quality set are on order but not due until Wednesday/thursday. Easy enough to fit but inlet manifold needs to come out again gah

Back on track for MoT next Friday

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16 minutes ago, richardthestag said:

episod 18 on yootoob 

 

twas very enjoyable that was :)

it was very interesting about balancing the carbs like that, how does it work with 2 carbs exactly? is it 1 carb for each cylinder bank?, if so how does it run when your only running on 1 carb, is there some sort of ducting or something that means the other bank of cylinders still gets air and petrol from the other carb?

(BTW if your wondering the strobing is caused by the fact the cheap n nasty LED light fixture you have installed, does not have adequate smoothing in its AC to DC Power supply, hence why you get the strobing, because the LEDs are affectively turning on and off 100 times a second which your camera picks up as strobing :) )

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that ^^^ doesnt quite bring the story up to date so here is the spoiler

fixed rear window clips, the clips that hold the sliders in place are unobtainium but did manage to sort it using my bench shear and some brake pad antisqueel shims

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MoT needs all doors, and tailgates to open and secure properly! top tailgate was cause of much swearing until I resorted to butchery of the utterly useless brand new seal

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top tailgate catch y-tho etc 

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Cooling system now pressurises that I have replaced the expansion tank pipe that had worked loose. Glad I powdercoated it

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Powdercoated rimz and bumbers looking smart

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Pas belt arrived and the system was bled through, works and doesn't leak

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Blue bonnet refitted for trip down to garage

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first drive, one tappet still resolutely clattering away, alas check over found a dozen or so issues that would stand in way of Mr MoT. So I delayed it by a couple of days

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Rear seat was fitted to avoid an advisory (whatever they are called now) that no rear seat was fitted.

This is the retrim done by Nationwide trim. i am not happy about the metal surround on the seat back, grit blasting it has exposed way more rust pits than I anticipated. Seat fabric is fooking beautiful though

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Had time to spare to trimmed up both doors which now "ker-lunk" closed

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Nervously waited and MoT was issued! Fuck yeah

Interestingly I tried to take it off SORN just prior to MoT and computer said MOT was needed despite Historic status. This I think is because last MOT was 2010ish

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Trip up to get tracking sorted

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Then a slightly fraught trip home due to an intermittent ignition fault cutting power to the coil. No tools, no spares, no mobile signal.

Managed to limp it to here, where phone signal exists'ed

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Called fatha thestag who came out with my 93 vogue in case of tow being needed. ran a spare 12v feed to the ballast resister straight from the battery and drove it back to centre of operations with no further drama.

I know what the issue is, and how to fix it but ran out of time. Also the tapping tappet is driving me up the wall so have ordered a set of higher quality items for install this week

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Where did you get those number plates from? I quite fancy a set for my 76 Manta. Great work on the resto, best thing to do with those V8s is throw the strombergs in the bin and fit SUs. Best thing I ever did to my 90 V8. 

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4 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

twas very enjoyable that was :)

it was very interesting about balancing the carbs like that, how does it work with 2 carbs exactly? is it 1 carb for each cylinder bank?, if so how does it run when your only running on 1 carb, is there some sort of ducting or something that means the other bank of cylinders still gets fuel and petrol from the other carb?

(BTW if your wondering the strobing is caused by the fact the cheap n nasty LED light fixture you have installed, does not have adequate smoothing in its AC to DC Power supply, hence why you get the strobing, because the LEDs are affectively turning on and off 100 times a second which your camera picks up as strobing :) )

two carbs feed into a single open void that services all 8 inlet ports. typically each carb would service 2 cylinders on each bank. at least that is how the staag works.

With only one carb connected it is running weaker than it should so would be utterly gutless on the road.

For balancing you want each carb to draw exactly the same amount of air, that is what that tool is doing for me. You need to juggle this activity with getting the mixture right on both carbs, I use a CO meter usually but lifting the damper and listening gets it close.

Whatever I had it bang on I reckon because on a 25% hill in reverse gear and low range it crawled up backwards at idle. I will do a better video on chooning two stroms, people think it is a ballsache and end up lobbing fixed jet webbers on that are not jetted right and have all manner of PCV issues associated with them

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2 minutes ago, sutty2006 said:

Where did you get those number plates from? I quite fancy a set for my 76 Manta. Great work on the resto, best thing to do with those V8s is throw the strombergs in the bin and fit SUs. Best thing I ever did to my 90 V8. 

plates came from https://www.classicplatesonline.co.uk

Stroms are perfect on low compression 8.13:1 v8 and I know how to make them work. If I had higher compression then yes SU HIF4/6 would be the way to go, I have two sets rebuilt and ready.

I do like stroms though

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very awesome stuff on the MOT pass :) (interesting the DVLA page says October 1972, but the MOT page says 1st July 1971, wonder what thats about, although from all the invacar stuff I have done I know just how accurate* the DVLA can be!)

its still so "weird" (but not in a bad way) to see Range Rovers on such early plates/suffixes (especially when I saw one on white on black plates)

I always used to regard  the RRC as a modern day car etc possibly I guess because they where sold for so long, and so where always relatively common, and the fact the styling does not look all curvy and old if you get me LOL

so I didn't know until maybe a year ago or so just how far back they went :)

 

very interesting stuff on the carb front thanks for explaining it :) 

so its effectively 2 carbs in parallel rather than 2 totally independent carbs?

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been a fun packed week with shitefest19 bang in the middle.

For those with time and interests, episode19 is on youtube, alas it is out of sync with this thread. This episode runs up to MOT pass which you know already.

Trying to catch up but takes an hour or so of valuable beer time to edit up a video. I am 2 episodes behind

Episode 20 is ready to upload and 21 is in process. If you don't want spoiler for the next installments of youtube stop here! :D

 

 

 

still here? then let us begin

first up, fix that irritating ignition issue, ended up pulling the whole engine loom apart and then found the fault within 0mm of the connector to the main loom! gah, still at least I was able to identify areas of the loom that really needed replacement.

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bored with wires and waiting for supplies from vehiclewiringproducts I diverted my attention to ticking tappets, in a nutshell, bit of a cockup in measuring hydraulic tappets. reduced size of shim by 15thou and everything is perfectly perfect.

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That green bonnet is next, teasingly rust free

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but struggling with an interesting paint issue

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test sanding found that the issue went down to the primer

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the paint was clogging the random orbital sander, so dusted off the top mm or so of paint with the prep wheel. The paint was blistering as I was doing this and I was very careful to avoid any heat in the panel

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nearly 5 hours later

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and some spent discs :D

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found a better back seat back than the one I have fitted. Had to weld up some self tapper holes for later carpet fit, flat it back and 

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prime it, then flat it back, and fill it and prime it again. Not getting it perfect, it needs some patina but not so it looks orible. And yes that is a saw bench

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Painted I am very very happy with it. not bad for me, out of the gun

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new back wing was supplied with very nice etch primer. note not all black coverings are etch! some might as well be cheese. This stuff was good

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filler primer went on too phat which meant that I spent an hour flatting it back next day

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Having prepped and primed the rear bumper corners I marvelled at the complex details. Not one straight line on the whole thing! How the hell they pressed these things out of 3 chunks of 2mm steel I have no idea.

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Then today opened the drivers door and found that the seat belt had become trapped. fucking fuckedy fucksticks cunting bastard wankstain!

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then it rained... A lot

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managed to find time though to lay paint on the rear wing, which is 99% but has three fish eyes. Paintjob guru chap told me not to worry, he will sort it when he polishes and details the car end of this month

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Last thing I did today was sort the fuel leak to the near side carb.

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Much much more to come

Oh and bobtail is next

 

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27 minutes ago, rainagain said:

Amazing  work! For what it’s worth the fan shroud’s primary purpose is to make the fan more efficient. If you ever had problems with high temps you should think about re-fitting it. 

Agreed 100% on the cooling efficiency¬†ūüĎć

Mine is back on again now but I do think these also prevents the unwitting and plain stupid from redistributing parts of their anatomy to the inside of the bonnet and surrounding area. :D

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Episode 21 is up for those with interests

Pretty much covers everything you know so far with the exception of I am well chuffed that a silly priced ad in Carandclassic has caught the attention of Silverstone Auctions who want the car at their Auction end of July!!!

Shit load of work to do and probably the best platform to sell it and move onto the next car.

Detail detail and detail from next Wednesday when I get back to Devon

Scarey stuff

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As always I have been enjoying these episodes very much :)

keep up the Awesome work :) its been very cool to learn about all the small details of Range rovers, and also just general things like how certain parts of carburetors work etc :)

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I know it is NOT autoshite and I will get back on form again soon by unbobtailing a 1971 bobtail! That might be triggers broom with original running gear and bulkhead but probably not a lot else.

There is a S3 109 Landie that I have lined up next for a quicky* makeover. Don't let Mrs Thestag know. Work on Landies including a possible 1991 V8 SW (pretty much unique) and Stags is distracting me.

I need money though, so no apology for going very un-autoshite. 

So where is the project? Well bustin my arse on it, needs to be at Silverstone 24 July, 18 days and counting. Everytime I fix something, 2 other faults are found. Loving 1970s British Leyland! Hang on maybe this is autoshite after all. :D

Sorted out the poor quality seatback, with another I had as a spare, painted in 2k, happy enough with the finish out of the gun. There is a cover panel missing as it needed a bit of filler and prep

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Sorted the shite running, which turned out to be the nearside / lh / passenger side carb rod snagging. Ground out the end of the rod and reset the carbs. Now runs like a sewing machine

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Also prepped and fucked up the paint on the new drivers side rear wing, took a lot of flatting back and polishing but it is a lot closer than it was. here it is before I messed up the paint. Modesty prevents me from showing you what a bunged up air jet on a paint gun does. Now I check gun works properly with thinners and then with paint onto cardboard before going near a panel

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THEN a target date of 2 July was set, photographer from auction company needs to take piccies for website and catalogue. them interested can check here (there are spoilers in these pics ;) )

https://silverstoneauctions.com/events/2019-auctions/the-silverstone-classic-sale-2019/silverstone-classic-sale-saturday-27th-sunday-28th-july-2019/2pm-sunday-28th-july-2019-classic-cars-competition-cars/1972-range-rover-suffix-a

Before that ^ could happen bonnet needed painting and interior installing. Hence me chasing my arse around

Bonnet was stripped back - you know that already

Is covered with dents, some from pressing, the only way to move forwards was to lob 1litre of 1k etch filler primer, flat it, fill it, guide coat it, flat it, fill it, flat it etc etc

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guide coat was rattle can satin black, cheap n cheerful, helped me ID all the dents, filled them

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Blocked them back on an evil humid arse of a morning, saturday 29 June 2 days to go!

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Horrible job but got it done,let the primer set over night and it pickled in a couple of places! FUCK! Flatted those areas back to steel

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Used a 2k acrylic filler primer to seal the 1k etch primer

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In between all this, interior is being installed

Bumper corners were painted along with other bits, 

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New gearbox cover was installed, from Nationwide trim, this is marvellous, fit like a glove

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Seats in, small issue with the runners being a lot sticky. working on that

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got a wee bit distracted when this beauty showed up outside.....

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stripped the spare wheel back for paint, me ears is still ringing

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started to sort through jack and tools

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Monday evening finished shovelling a 2k top coat onto the panel. big bastard flies landing on it and stuff! but fuckit ok for the photographer. still needs a world of work though

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Bonnet fitted on Tuesday morning d-day. slammed it shut and couldn't open it again! after fiddling with a spanner I managed to detach the plunger from the bonnet. Removed the grill and got around to adjusting everything. Photographer arrived and I was up to my neck in bonnets. delayed by 45 mins the chap had better humour than I did.

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Because of the bonnet shenanigans, I missed the chance to replace the shonky rear bumper and also install the sill covers. I am still annoyed about that but shit happens

Made it though... and breathe 2.... 3..... 4......

location was up on Exmoor past Simonsbath. Wales is in the background here

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 more to come

 

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Bloody amazing stuff! 

that rush right at the end was nerve wrecking just reading it from the comfort* of my own bed!

it might not be very autoshite in some places, but I found the restoration serise very interesting and very imformative, keep up the Awesome work and I look forward to whatever you work on next :) 

(whats the Ford about? please tell me its one of yours? :mrgreen: )

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      The worst is the bottom of the windscreen surround due to the wrong seal being used and then fitted badly causing leaks. Inner sill to A post bottom corner very scabby, front wings pretty crap, and various paint defects etc.
      The engine is fine, compression all in tolerances. Suspension needs work, and some brake pipes are getting quite rusty. So far so good and no surprises!
      There's still more checking to do over the next few days but it sounds alright so far.
      This work should be made a bit easier by having a lot of panels and parts to fix things already. The big find being a new unused pair of front wings. Very hard to find mk2 items now, though I did have to pay for them!
       
       
      The plan here is to make the car solid, reliable and good looking. I'm not making a show car or going too mad as that stuffs not my thing and if it was I'd start with a better more original car.
      Some of the later add ons will be ditched like the mk3 boot spoiler that I hate! And return it to more standard looking mk2 as it should be. No go faster mods or anything like that.
      The main priority is to get the body sorted and painted properly (engine out job and everything) then maybe a bit of mechanical work as needed.
      The original idea was to re paint back into original stardust silver, but having thought about it I'm leaning more towards another favourite Ford colour of the era, Miami blue metallic, which is a lovely colour! Any opinions?
       
      This will be another expensive project but not one I think I could do at home on the drive and do justice to, so I'd prefer to farm it out and get it right this time. It also means I can carry on working on my Transit and Granada at home without another distraction!
      For anyone whose interested I'll try to update this now and then as things progress. I'll also try to get the old pics of the car from when I got it so you can see how rusty it was! Bear in mind though that I paid √ā¬£100 for this car in 2001 with MOT and tax! Try doing that now.
      I'm sure this is going to be worth the expense, not that I'm even considering selling it of course but I've had it so long I kind of feel obligated to do right by the car in a weird way!
    • By cobblers
      Train tickets booked from a train station 30 miles away to save √ā¬£9 on the recommendation of the Mrs
      Mrs booked and primed ready to drop me off at said train station.




      Mobile tool kit primed and ready, missing almost every vital component due to EU regulations about leccy tape and screwdrivers on trains (I left them all at my mums house yesterday).
      If I do break down, I should have something to listen to while I work out whether I'm with the AA or RAC or none of the above.


      Not pictured: pile of cash
    • By egg
      Caveat - I have not sealed the deal on this. This could easily go pear-shaped and is utter insanity anyway. However there is a MK12 Invacar for £300 here:

      http://www.wafrost.co.uk/contact-us/



      Could anyone offer transport to me please? This would be to my rented lock-up in Whitstable CT5.

      155 miles.

      Thanks.

      Obviously I would be paying you for this. Preference is to keep in house though given the absurdity!
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