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On 3/2/2022 at 10:25 AM, Datsuncog said:

Bit late to the Magirus Deutz love-in, but here's a beauty I snapped at a tractor rally at Ballymena Showgrounds all the way back in 2010.

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I wouldn't like to be dailying it, at today's fuel prices...

Thats got "fuck off out of my way" written all over it. Bonus points for having a badge with "anus" on it. :D:D

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On 3/6/2022 at 8:24 PM, busmansholiday said:

MAN cabbed ones, after the takeover and just before they closed them down. Don't count as ERFs in my book.

Yes when MAN bought out ERF they just stuck ERF badges over the MAN badges for shits n giggles, then they closed it down and the ECT was no more. I remember the ERFs had the M11 Cummins Celect in it, but the MAN had its own inline six (D08? Or D28 can’t remember). 

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On 3/6/2022 at 2:33 AM, 17-Coffees said:

Seeing how you know *who* I'm on about...

All I'll say is seeing an Original coloured vehicle next to an new really makes you see what a downgrade it is.

 

Wonder how long Pollock will be allowed to buy big cabbed well equipped trucks and have a flambouyant livery, days numbered I'd say. 

Saw one of yours in a trucks at Lymm YouTube vid, wasn't impressed!

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On 3/8/2022 at 9:50 AM, sutty2006 said:

Yes when MAN bought out ERF they just stuck ERF badges over the MAN badges for shits n giggles, then they closed it down and the ECT was no more. I remember the ERFs had the M11 Cummins Celect in it, but the MAN had its own inline six (D08? Or D28 can’t remember). 

I think part of the logic there was fishing for the massive MoD deal for 10,000 military trucks which was being tendered at the time. Pretended it's a British brand or they're made in the UK or something to sweeten the deal.

But yes I seem to remember the only difference in the end was that they offered the ISMe as an engine option, just like Foden did in its dieing days. I guess it was the last of the British/American trucks where the engine would be 'specced' by a buyer as opposed to now where is comes just as a Mercedes truck with a Mercedes engine etc. Over in the US I think you still pick whether you get a Cummins, Cat, Detroit engine etc.

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I had one about Tatra here before but has Finnish Sisu ever been mentioned here? Will assume that they are quite unknown outside Scandinavia and are probably one of Europe's smallest truck manufacturers they have also made buses.

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Apart from some for military use, the only model they now offer is the Polar (bellow), which has a cab and engine from Mercedes and is/was available with a Mercedes automatic transmission or a manual unsynchronized Eton Fuller gearbox, which according to info from 2014 was chosen by half of the customers.

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1 hour ago, Dyslexic Viking said:

This is also the case with DAF if I'm not wrong, they use Paccar engines that are also available in Peterbilt and Kenworth trucks.

I think I was wrong. Detroit is just a part of Daimler. The truck engines are Mercedes own from what I can find. But there are a lot of Daimler Benz shared parts with freightliner trucks. 

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In Norway, we actually have 2 who make books about old Norwegian trucks and every book they are a few hundred pages and cover the history of each truck in them. They have released several of these and I have 3 of them.

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The reason I found them now was to check if one of these is still alive and it is!

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This is a 1992 Renault Magnum that went in long-distance transport down the continent and therefore only has 2 axles (3 are common here) so this passed 1million kilometer before it was 10 years so the mileage must now be very high. It was taken off the road last year but we can hope that someone will take care of it.

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2 hours ago, Dyslexic Viking said:

This is also the case with DAF if I'm not wrong, they use Paccar engines that are also available in Peterbilt and Kenworth trucks.

Yep the USA is is slowly going the European way. I think Paccar realised since it'd spent £billions developing European market engines it'd be a good idea to modify their emissions for EPA compliance and sell them over there too. Freightliner mainly sells its own Detroit engines (both are owned by Daimler) and Navistar and Volvo naturally have their own engine choices too. I guess Cummins and Cat have dwindling market shares these days.

You may be right that Detroit engines are just rebadged MB engines days... seems silly not too. The small 1litre/cylinder MB engines have been used in Freightliner trucks for decades.

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6 minutes ago, willswitchengage said:

Yep the USA is is slowly going the European way. I think Paccar realised since it'd spent £billions developing European market engines it'd be a good idea to modify their emissions for EPA compliance and sell them over there too. Freightliner mainly sells its own Detroit engines (both are owned by Daimler) and Navistar and Volvo naturally have their own engine choices too. I guess Cummins and Cat have dwindling market shares these days.

You may be right that Detroit engines are just rebadged MB engines days... seems silly not too. The small 1litre/cylinder MB engines have been used in Freightliner trucks for decades.

The American truck industry has seemed very old-fashioned compared to Europe, so Cummings engines and manual unsynchronized gearboxes will probably live for a while longer, I think. And Cummings has a very good reputation and has not CAT given up on road engines due to emissions? I think I read or heard it somewhere.

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Something I want to share. On youtube now on several channels, there are documentaries called deadliest journyes, deadliest roads and similar they are of the same series. And for anyone with an interest in trucks, these are interesting. Post a small selection and is much more.

This old Bedford has been working with the same family since 1976 (this was filmed around 5 to 6 years ago) in Zambia and is completely worn out and is driven by an almost blind man. There are also surprisingly many old American trucks in Africa now.

MAN 8x8 military trucks working in Congo

Old French Berliet trucks in Mali

ZIL 130 in Guinea

 

 

 

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A very rare sighting of a Hino 700 today, only the third I've seen in two years.

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Thought that would be the spot of the week but I ended on a high with my very last spot - I almost missed it as I'd already crossed the road but managed to get back across to snap one of the last proper ERFs.

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18 minutes ago, sierraman said:

Weren’t the Hino trucks licence built in Eire? 

Yes, shipped CKD from Japan and assembled by Harris Assemblers of Dublin. Very popular in Ireland, less so in the UK, and discontinued in 2014 as Hino didn't have a Euro 6 engine.

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There were indeed many Hino trucks local to me in Northern Ireland during the 1980s and 90s - all the more visible as they looked quite different to most other trucks on the road.

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They usually seemed to be in heavier duty use - quarrying and construction, rather than freight logistics.

Didn't realise they hadn't been so common in the rest of GB. It's been a long time since I've noticed one, though - the more modern 700s probably wouldn't cause me to look twice.

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A schoolmate of mine was one of many sons in a family (Davidsons)that ran a fleet of Hino trucks for tipper work.

They lived just opposite the old Rolls Royce / Fisher bodies factory in Dundonald, so if your old enough you might remember seeing the trucks parked there.

In fact, for all I know, they might still be operating from there.

 

I spent 20 years working for a concrete flooring company  - Milbank floors, now known as Milbank concrete - a bunch of utter cunts but thats an aside.

The sister company was Milbank Trucks whose MD was( a  really decent bloke) - Dave Watson.

When the whole thing fell on its arse in 08/09 he bought out the remains of the transport business and renamed it David Watson Transport.

He  has now been built it up into a very successful business, with a very impressive fleet of over 100 mainly Hiab type trucks.

Nice to see the good guys do win sometimes.

David Watson Transport | Specialists Transport & Lifting Services : David Watson Transport (dw-transport.co.uk)

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On 3/6/2022 at 8:24 PM, busmansholiday said:

MAN cabbed ones, after the takeover and just before they closed them down. Don't count as ERFs in my book.

We had one and it was a brilliant motor for us, even if the only ERF bits were the badges and the seat trim. Only a four wheel 18 tonner but was specced to be a drawbar so had a Cummins 385 with jake, ZF 16 speed manual with comfort shift.  Maybe not a real ERF but it sounded like one and didn't smell like a Reliant inside if you left it parked in a rainstorm.

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On 3/15/2022 at 2:28 PM, Bradders59 said:

A schoolmate of mine was one of many sons in a family (Davidsons)that ran a fleet of Hino trucks for tipper work.

They lived just opposite the old Rolls Royce / Fisher bodies factory in Dundonald, so if your old enough you might remember seeing the trucks parked there.

In fact, for all I know, they might still be operating from there.

 

I spent 20 years working for a concrete flooring company  - Milbank floors, now known as Milbank concrete - a bunch of utter cunts but thats an aside.

The sister company was Milbank Trucks whose MD was( a  really decent bloke) - Dave Watson.

When the whole thing fell on its arse in 08/09 he bought out the remains of the transport business and renamed it David Watson Transport.

He  has now been built it up into a very successful business, with a very impressive fleet of over 100 mainly Hiab type trucks.

Nice to see the good guys do win sometimes.

David Watson Transport | Specialists Transport & Lifting Services : David Watson Transport (dw-transport.co.uk)

I see a lot of David Watson trucks round here - smart fleet all named after Greek or Roman legends and the drivers seem a good bunch who often flash and wave.

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4 hours ago, MR SCRUFF said:

We had one and it was a brilliant motor for us, even if the only ERF bits were the badges and the seat trim. Only a four wheel 18 tonner but was specced to be a drawbar so had a Cummins 385 with jake, ZF 16 speed manual with comfort shift.  Maybe not a real ERF but it sounded like one and didn't smell like a Reliant inside if you left it parked in a rainstorm.

Ahhh comfort shift! Simply lovely. Manual with a thumb operated clutch. Those were the days! 

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