Truck Shite

[dean36014]

Pearson's are based near me. They do a yearly open day to show off all his classic fodens and other vintage trucks. He has a big fleet of golden tippers and restored quite a few. Sadly he's had to buy a few moderns due to low emission zones. His trucks are always turned out smart looking.

[bezzabsa]

My old Scania X2BSS, moved on to sunnier places late last year ..few "interesting loads" and one from a Batman movie

[willswitchengage]

Truck shite news. What do Renault Trucks, Volvo Trucks and Mitsubishi Trucks have in common? They all divorced from their carmaking equivalents a long time ago and operate as completely separate entities. Mercedes has now announced it will do the same; cars and vans will be made by one company and trucks and buses by another.

[Crackers]

3 hours ago, willswitchengage said:

Truck shite news. What do Renault Trucks, Volvo Trucks and Mitsubishi Trucks have in common? They all divorced from their carmaking equivalents a long time ago and operate as completely separate entities. Mercedes has now announced it will do the same; cars and vans will be made by one company and trucks and buses by another.

The world of commercials is a bit odd nowadays really... There's only really 4 big companies that are involved big-league with a million sub brands under them.

I mean... Mitsubishi/Fuso are an arm of Daimler/Merc now... That had me right confused when I was looking into it! Seems like it's only Volvo left 'going it alone' whilst pretty much every other brand sits under Paccar, Daimler or VAG. 

 

Bring back ERF and Fodens, that's what I say! 

[willswitchengage]

Yep, you have Merc-Freightliner-Fuso at the top, with the market leaders in Europe, North America and Asia.

Then Volvo who owns Renault and UD (Nissan) and through its acquisition of White Trucks, is huge in North America.

PACCAR sits at #3 with its big US brands and DAF over here.

MAN-Scania probably sits next.

Then your minnows - CNH (owns IVECO and a few other engineering companies, spun out of Fiat a while ago), Isuzu and Hino which is owned by Toyota.

You can see why the indies didn't survive.

[catsinthewelder]

I suppose that each new environmental standard causes them many £millions of r+d to meet so they need to sell a lot of trucks to make it worthwhile.

There's a few smaller specialist manufacturers such as Dennis and some of the super heavy haul stuff.  Do they get exemptions from some of the standards or just buy a complete engine and electronics package from the big boys?

[willswitchengage]

Yes, nobody else really makes their own on-highway engines these days. Even some of the smaller brands such as Tatra, Steyr, KAMAZ etc are part of the above groups. MAZ of Belarus uses Daimler engines for instance.

PACCAR's full size engines are now used in Kenworths and Peterbilts too as since they've spent billions developing them it seems sensible to offer them oversees, similar to how Volvo's US trucks use European Volvo engines. I imagine Daimler's Merc and Detroit Diesel engines share the same technologies and development.

It's no real different to what's happening in the car industry with common platforms and engines across numerous brands due to stratospheric development costs.

[Leyland Worldmaster]

17 hours ago, willswitchengage said:

Truck shite news. What do Renault Trucks, Volvo Trucks and Mitsubishi Trucks have in common? They all divorced from their carmaking equivalents a long time ago and operate as completely separate entities. Mercedes has now announced it will do the same; cars and vans will be made by one company and trucks and buses by another.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/daimler-become-mercedes-benz-split-trucks-unit-cars

 

Wow! Just read this! 👍 👍 👍 

[quicksilver]

On 2/11/2021 at 11:11 PM, dean36014 said:

Pearson's are based near me. They do a yearly open day to show off all his classic fodens and other vintage trucks. He has a big fleet of golden tippers and restored quite a few. Sadly he's had to buy a few moderns due to low emission zones. His trucks are always turned out smart looking.

I've seen most of Pearsons' classic fleet - they and fellow Coventry tipper firm Bartletts are regulars at the shows at Towcester and Gaydon. Very well restored trucks and their orange Hoveringham Foden is a thing of beauty, just like a real-life Matchbox toy. That Foden is usually accompanied by a 19-reg Scania, attractive in the same traditional livery but not a patch on the Foden.

 

[quicksilver]

Spotted something good this morning - a 3-series Scania, 25 years old and looking utterly immaculate. I suspect it might be enthusiast-owned as the ECE livery is from a long-gone haulier who used to be based in Leighton Buzzard.

[High Jetter]

That Foden is...sublime

[horriblemercedes]

On 1/30/2021 at 8:13 AM, sutty2006 said:

Do you find it sluggish up any kind of incline? I feel they’re very under powered for what they are. Shame really. We have one of the biggest Antos rigids in at work sometimes and it’s so slow I sometimes refuse to road test it due to the embarrassment! 
 

mileage is nowt on trucks. We see a lot of fed ex tractor units in and they’ve usually got 100k by the first 9 weekly inspection. Most I’ve seen on one of theirs was 1.5million on a 5 year old truck. One driver gets out, another gets in. Rinse and repeat.,

That's an average of 66km/h every single hour for nine weeks! 

[sutty2006]

1 hour ago, horriblemercedes said:

That's an average of 66km/h every single hour for nine weeks! 

It’s crazy. They had to take some of the new 69plates off the road as they were racking up too many KMs. 

[Asimo]

[martc]

On 2/16/2021 at 11:08 PM, quicksilver said:

I've seen most of Pearsons' classic fleet - they and fellow Coventry tipper firm Bartletts are regulars at the shows at Towcester and Gaydon. Very well restored trucks and their orange Hoveringham Foden is a thing of beauty, just like a real-life Matchbox toy. That Foden is usually accompanied by a 19-reg Scania, attractive in the same traditional livery but not a patch on the Foden.

 

Used to see/hear a lot of these Hoveringham (and W Clifford Watts) Fodens in East Yorkshire working in the many gravel pits. The noise of them pulling away when full was ridiculous, you could feel it in your stomach. And the amount of clag...I was only a little lad but the things used to scare me.

Watts were serial Foden botherers (they are still with us but I they use DAFs and Scanias now).

Actually, not all the oldies were Fodens -

[busmansholiday]

As some of you may remember, @JimH rescued a shed load of York Trailers negatives and they are now with me.  Apart from scanning loads of black and white bus negatives from the early 70's to put in the Bus Shite fred, I've started to look at these.

Just a taster of what I intend to post when I can be in a scan / edit / post mode.

 

I'll let those more knowledgeable tell us what thy are.

 

 

 

[quicksilver]

Double trouble from the local purveyor of finest Foden shite yesterday. Two of their oldest examples, built in 1998 and still in daily use along with 15 others, possibly the biggest fleet left in the country. I love these things, proper no-frills no-nonsense workhorses.

[sutty2006]

Woody n buzz up to no good again 

[Vantman]

On 04/03/2021 at 14:00, busmansholiday said:

As some of you may remember, @JimH rescued a shed load of York Trailers negatives and they are now with me.  Apart from scanning loads of black and white bus negatives from the early 70's to put in the Bus Shite fred, I've started to look at these.

Just a taster of what I intend to post when I can be in a scan / edit / post mode.

 

I'll let those more knowledgeable tell us what thy are.

 

 

 

These are my guesses--top to bottom--Leyland Comet with LAD cab--Volvo F88--Scania 80--MBenz 2624--Leyland Marathon--Guy BigJ.

[martc]

MAZ-525 mining dump truck, USSR, 1950s. MAZ later became KAMAZ and are still building bullet proof lorries.

Moscow December 1982. I think this may be a ZIL.

Edited -

It's not a ZIL, it's a KrAZ 257. They are a Ukrainian factory Kremenchutskyi Avtomobilnyi Zavod, Kremenchuk Automobile Plant, and are still with us - http://www.autokraz.com.ua/index.php/en/  looks like they use MAN cabs on some of their products.

 

[Shep Shepherd]

5 hours ago, quicksilver said:

Double trouble from the local purveyor of finest Foden shite yesterday. Two of their oldest examples, built in 1998 and still in daily use along with 15 others, possibly the biggest fleet left in the country. I love these things, proper no-frills no-nonsense workhorses.

I love seeing that company's Fodens when I'm out and about. In fact, I love seeing any Foden truck which is still working for a living. The same goes for ERFs and Seddon Atkinsons, although sightings of the latter are rare these days.

[willswitchengage]

19 hours ago, martc said:

MAZ later became KAMAZ and are still building bullet proof lorries.

 

/pedant alert but they are / were distinct manufacturers, albeit both huge in the Soviet Union and have survived reasonable well since.

Maz is Belarusian. The Z is 'Zavod' or factory, which confusingly in cyrillic is represented by a character the same as the number 3. But in Kamaz and Maz both the KAMA and MA are identical in latin script. Maz nowadays makes its own independent cab desig and is the closest thing that Europe has to another indie manufacturer behind the megacompanies that we all know. I think they use either MAN or Merc engines though to meet emission standards.

Kamaz is Russian and makes your typical 'commie trucks' that are still quite popular on the roads over there. The cab design looks like this, comes in civvy and military variants and I think is still produced today:

Pretty much all 'new' trucks in Russia today though are second hand European things, although Kamaz does sell badge engineered Merc trucks. I spent a fair amount of time in Russia a couple of years ago and only saw Volvos, MANs etc and the above old KAMAZ things. And lots of American trucks. Apparently Putin relaxed length regulations therefore allowing the country to buy up old American tractors, which look a bit odd with Euro-style trailers. Plenty of interesting photos here.

https://www.flickr.com/groups/2688730@N22/pool/44984849@N06

 

[worldofceri]

I drove past Buckingham’s resident lorry-spotter on Thursday, but despite a friendly ‘beep-beep’, he didn’t take my photo.  Fair enough like, I wasn’t in a truck... If it jogs your memory, @quicksilver, I looked like this:

[High Jetter]

Slowsilver? But what is it and where is the missing bit, Trevor?

[quicksilver]

21 hours ago, worldofceri said:

I drove past Buckingham’s resident lorry-spotter on Thursday, but despite a friendly ‘beep-beep’, he didn’t take my photo.  Fair enough like, I wasn’t in a truck... If it jogs your memory, @quicksilver, I looked like this:

I remember seeing the shrink-wrapped Karmann Ghia but didn't realise it was you. Funnily enough I saw a similar Kia towing a Ferrari 400 this morning and wondered if it might be you - I really must may more attention.

In truck shite news, the Fodens are multiplying! The S-reg was out again along with the other R and a modern* 03, the only one I've seen with the fleetname on.

They weren't the oldest to be seen though as I witnessed this venerable 1983 Ford Cargo drag itself up the hill veeeery slowly.

 

[5speedracer]

Yep, you have Merc-Freightliner-Fuso at the top, with the market leaders in Europe, North America and Asia.
Then Volvo who owns Renault and UD (Nissan) and through its acquisition of White Trucks, is huge in North America.
PACCAR sits at #3 with its big US brands and DAF over here.
MAN-Scania probably sits next.
Then your minnows - CNH (owns IVECO and a few other engineering companies, spun out of Fiat a while ago), Isuzu and Hino which is owned by Toyota.
You can see why the indies didn't survive.

I see Volvo have sold UD to Isuzu and the two of them have formed a "strategic alliance" on tech.
The Chinese are coming too!

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[busmansholiday]

On 3/13/2021 at 6:27 PM, Vantman said:

These are my guesses--top to bottom--Leyland Comet with LAD cab--Volvo F88--Scania 80--MBenz 2624--Leyland Marathon--Guy BigJ.

Right. a few more pics from the collection, I'd agree with your answers 2, 3, 4 and 6. 5 is of course a fine example of British Leyland badge engineering, an AEC Marathon, given it was built by them and fitted with the blown AV760 engine, otherwise known as the TL12, the TL11 being Leyland's blown version of the 680. As for the first picture, I found another one of that companies rigs and it says Scammell on the negative, so lets start with that (correct me below if I'm talking bollocks).

The old Ergonomic cab got a makeover, a Buffalo here

Scania LB80 (anybody recognise the location ?)

DAF 2800 (with their development of Leylands 0680 engine)

Volvo F85

 

 

[Vantman]

First picture looks like a Guy Big J, i seem to remember for all the wrong reasons that one of the Marathon variants had a 'fixed head' engine? And a Rolls Royce option as well? Far too long ago that i drove one,i do remember the Guy Big J that i drove grazing my knuckles on the windscreen as you manoeuvred in tight spots!

[busmansholiday]

20 minutes ago, Vantman said:

First picture looks like a Guy Big J, i seem to remember for all the wrong reasons that one of the Marathon variants had a 'fixed head' engine? And a Rolls Royce option as well? Far too long ago that i drove one,i do remember that the Guy Big J grazing my knuckles on the windscreen as you manoeuvred in tight spots!

Was my thoughts as well actually.

[Austin-Rover]

6 hours ago, busmansholiday said:

Scania LB80 (anybody recognise the location ?)

M62, Junction 17 at Prestwich. The photographer is looking east. The truck is on the J17 roundabout, A56 heading towards Manchester. In the background is the distinctive 'bridge over a bridge, over a motorway' which at the time carried the unique side-contact 3rd rail British Rail Manchester to Bury line. These days it carries the Metrolink.