dozeydustman Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Cheers for the offer of help I'm rubbish at forward planning of my projects so any public outcry of help will not doubt be a bit short of notice. That's not a problem, as long as it's not 4am on a Sunday morning I should be able to bring a sack of spanners with me. What a bummer about the engine. If it's not a valve seat dropped then just wondering if something has got in and broken the valve head. Really hope that you don't need a new piston as well. Was the clearance tight or loose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad D. Conelrad Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Yet again, we need an "Aaaaaah, shit" button for posts. 3VOM, John F, The Reverend Bluejeans and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalnotdole Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 How much time/work is involved in getting this sorted?If I said I though I'd be lucky to complete the work by the end of January that might give some idea. That's not a problem, as long as it's not 4am on a Sunday morning I should be able to bring a sack of spanners with me. What a bummer about the engine. If it's not a valve seat dropped then just wondering if something has got in and broken the valve head. Really hope that you don't need a new piston as well. Was the clearance tight or loose? I think it was loose but it was a month ago and I may have forgotten (repressed the memory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalnotdole Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 Head off HorrorsWith the head off the results were quite a bit worse than I'd hoped. The valve seat has broken up completely with the fragments damaging th head and the crown of the piston. I've studied the piston & valve carefully, theres been no contact beweeen them that be seen and the valve is not bent.I can only conclude that the valve seat inserts were not particularly well fitted (work done on the engine before I bought it) and that last years hot running may have caused one to lossen. but not so much that it was noticable when I refurbished the heads or lapped in the valves.The damage to the piston will mean that will need replacing. I also now don't trust any of the other exhaust seats so will have to get them replaced too.Next step engine out. Strip Down and decide how much remedial work I'm going to need do... Coprolalia, Sigmund Fraud and richardthestag 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 This car is becoming an ungrateful bastard, all the work you put in to be rewarded with this latest episode, double fucksticks, with a side order of arsebiscuits garethj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Fuck! I had a piston much worse than that in my Bonnie & dressing the head & crown resulted in it running fine. The pits quickly filled with carbon so didn't affect the running. The Reverend Bluejeans and Momentary Lapse Of Reason 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalnotdole Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 It has turned out to be depressingly close to my prediction made in the very first post of this thread: I can promise though that this thread will feature the following key elements: A Plastic Shooting brake form the early 70's. Spending far in excess of the value of the car on fixing / modifying it. A reckless disregard for the sensible use of money. The worst paint job in history* An engine tuned up by former Williams F1 engineer, Complicated Electronics that I don't fully understand, Fibreglass work and Welding, A daily diver that only a total masochist would bother with, An opportunity for it all to go spectacularly wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJay Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 An engine tuned up by former Williams F1 engineer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 And being an old Ford V6, one suspects parts for it will be gaining scene tax, have you stopped swearing yet? I'd be fucking livid and ready with a petrol can and box of matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey spud Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 You have the patience of a saint Sir. I would have given up on the Essex v6 dream and gone the Omega v6 route long,long ago. Rocket88, richardthestag and stonedagain 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedagain Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Merry fucking Christmas........NOT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJay Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Looking like this, you can forgive anything. HillmanImp, The Reverend Bluejeans, The Moog and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalnotdole Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 An engine tuned up by former Williams F1 engineer? Allegedly anyway... This detail came from an email sent to me by the seller of the engine in 2016. Seller of the engine: Ii sent the engine to Specialised Engines in Essex to be rebuilt to their Stage 4 spec including taking it out to 3.2 litres and using some cosworth pistons and the engine was delivered to my friend who was rebuilding my car in October 2012 (I can include the invoices for this work if you want them?) There were a few odd things when it first arrived, the triple weber DCNFs were on back to front and without the spark plugs in the engine was really stiff to turn over. So we asked John Hoad from JPH motorsport to have a look as he lives just down the road and he found the standard of the build was not matched by the price i paid. There was nothing fundamentally wrong with it but it was a collection of expensive performance parts bolted together and not carefully machined and matched. I got my money back through the credit card company and John set about stripping the engine back and rebuilding it. John used to work for Williams F1 and still works as a consultant for them so he was able, for example, to take the heads up to their factory and crack test and gas flow them matching them up with the inlet manifold which he ported out correctly. I have no receipts for this work hence it is not included in the advert, it was done by John as a friend of a friend. So i was left with a very nice engine with triple dcnf carbs. try as i might i could not balance the carbs and get her to run well so i took it up to Northampton Motorsport for a rolling road setup and it was whilst here that Troy found a couple of small air leaks around the carbs which was causing the issue with the mixture. We discussed the fact that i was trying to develop a solid reliable road car and he showed me some of the throttle body conversions he had done in the past and i agreed to let him convert the car to fuel injection. Origonally posted on page 4.http://autoshite.com/topic/25299-coalnotdoles-scimitar-its-totally-fucking-fucked-m8-261218/?p=1283020 I suspect the valve seats are the work of specialised engines. Along with the K-line inserts I had trouble with in 2017... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Dentressangle Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Buy these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-ESSEX-V6-3-0-D-port-Cylinder-heads-TVR-Capri-Scimitar-GTE-Gilbern-Hotrod-AC/283314554263?epid=1850483119&hash=item41f6dd0597:g:2M8AAOSwAzxcH9Jq:rk:1:pf:0 Ignore the piston, as Hooli suggests, and bolt it all together. It'll be fine*. Mally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Spares & Tyres Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Commiserations coalnotdole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dome Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Fucksticks, that's annoying. Best have a beer coalnotdole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bell Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Uuuuurgh. It's not like the back glass was a mirror. You don't deserve bad luck like this man. DeeJay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I feel for you, having put all that work in it does genuinely make you feel that a car is being ungrateful!Obviously it's not something that you want to do but is a rebuild just expensive, or hideously expensive?I reckon the head would clean up, I would however, always be worrying about the piston breaking up further if I left it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSdriver Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Sadly Pilkingtons / triplex packed up the Queenborough site a couple of years ago. I think some of their jig's / moulds never made the move when production was outsourced to Belgium. They did say they could remake a custom tailgate glass based on a sample (my old one would do.) There was a £500 CAD setup charge, and a minimum order of 10 rear screens. there would then be the cost of the screens at around £250 each... Scimitar owners are quite tight so my chances of finding 10 of them prepared to pay over and above the price of the existing chinese reproduction glass seems slim. Short term It will probably get another secondhand hatch fitted, I'm pretty sure I've got at least one spare in a lockup garage. Olympic Glass now work at the Pilkingtons site, they do my one off replacement boat windows. Your rear screen is flat I believe so doesn't need cad/cam bollocks just a bit of 4mm foamcore or ply as a template. You can make this to be a better fit than the glass that broke. It needs about 3mm clearance all round so you can pump the mastic in. It is important that the glass does not touch the metal anywhere so sit the glass in the frame with rubber U sections every 100mm-ish. Here is the advice sheet from my website http://hadlowmarine.com/Pages/Refurbishing%20frames.pdf meant for ally frames but adapt to fit. I use Arbosil 1096 black sealant. There were still a lot of old windscreen forms lying around the Pilkingtons site last June when I was there which probably need saving before they have a 'tidy up' Edit: Nice lady called Amy Phillips at Olympic Glass did my last order. DeeJay, Sheefag, Scruffy Bodger and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJay Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 For the amount of enjoyment I've had from this thread (apart from the last couple of pages) If there is a pot anywhere I'll chuck a tenner in towards repairs. mat_the_cat and coalnotdole 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket88 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 An engine tuned up by former Williams F1 engineer? Looking at how they did last season, it would have appeared that he's rejoined them............ Christine, DeeJay, coalnotdole and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozeydustman Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear. I can't think of much more to say except bollocks. Christine, oldcars, coalnotdole and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardthestag Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 ffs man you must have run out of bad luck by now. Really feel for you but that engine I would have stripped right down and check everyfuckingthing I have been at this point a few times, gone for a beer and left the ungrateful bastard thing locked in the garage! Vowing that the next unlucky bastard to open the door would be eulogising about bran find but it wasnt going to be me. Then after a day or two I end up all gung ho and "no way am I going to let the bastard thing win!" and reach for the spanners (the chrome vanadium type and not my sons) mrbenn, DeeJay, coalnotdole and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozeydustman Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I can ask if dad has any scimitar spares left in his garage from when we broke our 6a. I know the gearbox sold ages ago, but there is an engine of some kind in his garage. I will ask what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalnotdole Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 I can ask if dad has any scimitar spares left in his garage from when we broke our 6a. I know the gearbox sold ages ago, but there is an engine of some kind in his garage. I will ask what it is. Appreciate the thought but I've definately already got a couple of spare blocks should I need to ditch the current one. (Its actually possilbe I have 4 spares! If you include the one I took out in 2016) Obviously it's not something that you want to do but is a rebuild just expensive, or hideously expensive?I reckon the head would clean up, I would however, always be worrying about the piston breaking up further if I left it in. The head will clean up enough to resuse. The piston is sadly scrap. Theres just no way I'd trust it long term. Financially Essex parts are not too unreasonable. i will probably spend far more on machining. Also I should get away with reusing virtually all of the other bottom end parts. A low end estimate would be for the engine parts & machining to cost me £1500. Looking at how they did last season, it would have appeared that he's rejoined them............ Cheers for that, I loled! So far this engine has definately had williams levels reliability... ffs man you must have run out of bad luck by now. Really feel for you but that engine I would have stripped right down and check everyfuckingthing I have been at this point a few times, gone for a beer and left the ungrateful bastard thing locked in the garage! Vowing that the next unlucky bastard to open the door would be eulogising about bran find but it wasnt going to be me. Then after a day or two I end up all gung ho and "no way am I going to let the bastard thing win!" and reach for the spanners (the chrome vanadium type and not my sons) That sums it up really, I'm pretty depressed about how its turend out. just at the point when I thought I'd be using it I'm taking it apart again! I'm determined to make it work though. It will get there, I've come too far with it to quit now! Thanks For all the supportive comments! I'll try and sort out some dismantling photos shortly. Joe The Moog, Saabnut, Skizzer and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
320touring Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Good man, more power to your elbow! LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'coli Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Has anyone fitted a Lexus v6 and 'box to a Scimitar yet...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabergé Greggs Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Always love your updates, but sorry to hear of this one. LightBulbFun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeRover Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 In fairness even if you had stripped it completely it's unlikely you would have spotted a badly installed valve seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Badger Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Has anyone fitted a Lexus v6 and 'box to a Scimitar yet...? I was thinking the same, the IS250 seem to have a manual RWD gearbox, not the most common combination though, plus you would have to use an aftermarket ECU on it as well, the V6 in my RX 300 makes a nice noise when you got it some beans. Awful luck there Colenotdole, but from our point of view it means we get loads more of your quality updates! Are you using one of your Rebels as a daily while this is off the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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