End of the Line?

[Jerzy Woking]

So the Ultra Low Emission Zone comes into effect In London on 01.01.2020, which will be the same as the Congestion Charge Zone, but will operate 24/7 all year. And is in addition to the Congestion charge.

I work a few hundred yards within it, and not one of my cars or bikes that I use to commute will be exempt. So I'll have to sell them all, and by some younger shite which I really don't want to do.

 

Maybe if they didn't have thousands of cars stuck for hours pumping out fumes whilst the Cycle Superhighway is built, London would be less polluted.

 

Here is the link that give all the bad news (for some).

 

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone#on-this-page-0

[loserone]

 

 

Vehicles built before 1 January 1973 will also be exempt from ULEZ. These vehicles were built

before emissions standards came into force and are exempted because of their unsuitability for

engine conversion or replacement.

You could use that as an excuse to buy an older car, I reckon.

[rml2345]

What about parking just outside the ULEZ and walking the last few hundred yards?

[fatharris]

Yet another reason I despise our capital.

[Ratdat]

You could use that as an excuse to buy an older car  move as far away from London as possible, I reckon.

[Dave_Q]

"Hello, is that the company that do the emissions conversions? Yes I'd like a quote to get my car converted to Euro 6."

 

"No problem mate what car is it?"

 

"It's a 1982 Ford Econoline diesel. The 6.7l V8? Da Gubbermint said you can convert it. Hello?...... hello-o?"

[billyboy406v6]

There are better places to live than that there London, and no congestion charge shit either !

[Dave_Q]

Don't get too jolly, I'm sure Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Bristol etc etc will bring it in eventually.

[egg]

To be fair, I've had times working in London and outside London. Every time I go back there for a few days my lungs make me feel like a 40 a day smoker if you walk anywhere. Our air quality is generally a bit shit.

[chaseracer]

This is what you get when you cram more than 10% of the UK's population into less than 1% of its area.

[Skizzer]

To be fair, I've had times working in London and outside London. Every time I go back there for a few days my lungs make me feel like a 40 a day smoker if you walk anywhere. Our air quality is generally a bit shit.

 

This is true, but it's not down to all the 1970s and 80s cars.

 

 

It's London's loss.  Coming soon to a crusher near you:

 

 

All spotted inside the ULEZ - never to be seen there again.  

 

Also, does this mean Breadvan will have to get a Kia on finance for when he drives to chambers?

 

 

Edit:  Not these, these will be allowed:

[mercrocker]

Surely the Rambler and possibly the Dyane will still be OK?   

[Tamworthbay]

Don't get too jolly, I'm sure Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Bristol etc etc will bring it in eventually.

And I wouldn't want to live in any of those either. In fact the only city I would even consider living in is Rome and then only because the locals are so crazy it's free entertainment 24/7.

[Skizzer]

Surely the Rambler and possibly the Dyane will still be OK?   

 

Oops, yes, you're right, I take that back.  Forgot the 1973 thing.

[mercrocker]

Looks like you can elect to pay a charge, too.   Also, what happens to Queenie's ageing fleet parked right in the middle of it all?   Best of all it seems showman's vehicles carry some kind of exemption too.   Blart a few Gardners around St James' Park, then!

[stripped fred]

So will that mean cars built before 1973 will rise in demand/value with the added bonus of them being tax exempt? Will be interesting to see loads of old chod resurrected and put into action in the rush hour!

[dollywobbler]

 

Maybe if they didn't have thousands of cars stuck for hours pumping out fumes whilst the Cycle Superhighway is built, London would be less polluted.

 

 

 

Maybe if thousands of people didn't drive in to London in their cars...

[mercrocker]

Balancing transport in a city as large as London is never going to be easy.   Stuff needs to  be spread around a bit and that includes people and jobs.  I never understand why so much commerce takes place in concentrated areas given the advent of Internettage.   I go there often enough to be concerned about restrictions but this one doesn't seem too draconian.

[tooSavvy]

Don't get too jolly, I'm sure Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Bristol etc etc will bring it in eventually.

 

... Ha! NOT Newcastle. Our buses have got patches to wean them off 'Navy Cut'.... No poxxy wimp 'Vappinn' gas Hybrids around here.*

 

*Stagecoach trialled two and they got fu**ed over by a couple of hairy Atlanteans....

 

 

TS

[DaveAspley]

TooSavvvy, I'm 9 pints down and I can't make head nor tail of that. Fair play fother mukker

[hauserplenty]

Perhaps...the Luddites have all moved to Newcastle?

 

Or Atlanter, not sure which...

 

CNG buses FTW in CA.

[Angrydicky]

Yep, London is one of the best places in the country to spot old tat parked out on the street, and overnight it's going to become a barren shite wasteland like Dublin or whatever. 

 

I must admit, I was most worried about the grey grill Sierra succumbing to the ULEZ - at least that one has survived.

[HH-R]

I bet Newcastle City Council would crush every car going into the city centre with the owners in it if they could get away with it.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Yet another reason to avoid our capital.

[wuvvum]

 

TfL buses

As part of the ULEZ, we are taking extra steps to reduce emissions from our buses and to increase the number of zero emission capable vehicles.

    By 2020, all double-decker TfL buses operating in central London will be hybrid and all single-decker buses will be zero emission (at point of use). This means a substantial number of double-decker buses operating in inner London will be hybrid, as will many in outer London

    We will progressively increase the number of these buses. From 2020 only buses of this type will be allowed to operate on routes in the ULEZ

Looks like the Routemaster may finally be coming to the end of the road then.  Unless they convert them to hybrid power, but I can't see that being feasible in a design that age.

[AnthonyG]

I wouldn't be surprised if they use the historic vehicles exemption for the Routemasters on the tourist routes. Tfl or whoever only run about 4 now don't they?

[brownnova]

Don't get too jolly, I'm sure Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Bristol etc etc will bring it in eventually.

But I think little market towns in North Wales should be safe... So I'll stay here thanks.

[JayW]

It's all about da munny munny munny...

 

I Fuking hate London and everything that it's created for itself.

 

250 grand for a bedsit over a chip shop... No thanks...

[Ghosty]

Was going to say, don't Routemasters come under the 1973 rule? and anyway there's a good case. Correct in saying the fleet in active service in London is in single figures.

 

Also, Manchester's previously had a congestion charge vote, and we rejected it.

Instead TfGM got given a life-size toy trainset in the form of a big bag of cash to spend on trams. Some people use them, but for many there are cheaper, faster ways to get around as the tram fares are higher than all the equivalent bus or train fares. Depends if you can afford the convenience. Oh wait, nobody can, because most of the tram routes serve low income areas, and/or places already well served by other means of transport. It's mainly people with free passes/season tickets/no choice that use trams.

All this means the whole city has been a giant fucking building site for the last 7 years or something. Council moved a bloody cenotaph to make room for more tram platforms in one place FFS.

In one case TfGM told Stagecoach Manchester to run less buses along one of their routes, because they'd built a tram line right down the bus route... and then the trams get priority at all the traffic lights etc too. Ugh.

 

They also make the city absolutely impossible to navigate by making basically everywhere you'd actually want to go a buses/taxis/cycles only restriction, and you have to fuck about in one way systems trying not to run idiots over to get anywhere.

 

There's no point - they'll find a way to make life hell for motorists whatever happens.

[Pete-M]

I already can't take my 99 Mercedes into plenty of German cities. It's Euro 3, which ain't clean enough for a dirty diesel. Euro 1 is fine for petrol - which is fair enough.

 

I know some councils are already on about getting rid of diesel private hire cars. They're already insisting on Euro 5.