wesacosa Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Damn. It does need a decent amount of cranking when it been stood to get the fuel down to the carb but despite the battery showing full charge it wasnt enough. I will try the one that came with the XM which seemed in ok health but was too weedy for a 2.1 diesel. Hoping the lack of battery light is just an issue with a dodgy earth Next up is change the leaky cam cover gasket and do an oil service but currently laid up with corona sorry for the dull update but they can't all be exciting 🙂 Mrs Spart, Sunny Jim and Shite Ron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Jim Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Thanks for the update and get well soon. wesacosa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuboy Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 i do like the panda wesacosa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumblespeed Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Something like this: Disconnect the pipe where it goes in to the pump, suck the fuel up and part fill the little bleed tank. Reattach pipe, then disconnect the pipe at the pump outlet and dribble the contents of the tank down there to prime the carb. Turn key and it will spring enthusiastically into life. Worked for me - with your car👍. Those pumps do struggle to prime the system if the car has been standing and the fuel has all run back down to the tank. Hope it's just some of that newfangled Covid-lite you've got, get well soon. mercedade and wesacosa 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 cheers. Covid been ok so far but only 3 days in Will give that a try, I have one of those kits kicking around somewhere although I can't for the life of me remember why I bought it To be fair with a fully charged battery and the new fuel pump I fitted its not too bad starting, and reminds me of my childhood days with Dad trying to get his Fiat 128 going in the morning Grumblespeed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Jetter Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, wesacosa said: Fiat 128 My Dad bought one, new. Salesman said you'll never buy a different brand after this. For the next 20 years he bought Renaults, 12 to 25. wesacosa and AnnoyingPentium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, High Jetter said: My Dad bought one, new. Salesman said you'll never buy a different brand after this. For the next 20 years he bought Renaults, 12 to 25. My dad bought a ten year old one for £300 out the local paper with huge rust holes in the side. The thing would never start in any damp weather, to the point where in the end we used to send Dad out to try and get it going before we bothered to get our shoes and coats on. He never bought another Fiat after that either! That said how cool do they look now. Dad had the pre facelift Panomara 3 door estate like this, but in slightly darker red I have fond memories of seven of us going for a weeks holiday in the Yorkshire moors in it with the exhaust back box tied on with string, and dad letting me sit on his knee and drive it around the private road in the place we were staying. Have a home movie of that somewhere, must try and dig it out artdjones, Back_For_More, ProgRocker and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Jetter Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Though when it ran right, it was great! Nippy, but plasticky and a bit smoll. wesacosa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnoyingPentium Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, wesacosa said: My dad bought a ten year old one for £300 out the local paper with huge rust holes in the side. My Uncle had one some time ago and it was pretty rotten. He came out his work ready to put a bag in the boot, put the key in the lock and the whole thing went inside as it had corroded all around it. 😂 tooSavvy and wesacosa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandeth Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Small Fiats are wonderful things. One of those cars which somehow manage to exceed the sum of their parts. They're tiny, about as durable as a crisp packet, invariably prone to interesting electrical issues, and all have at least one routine service component that's an absolute swine to get to. However when they're running well there are few things out there which are as much fun to drive. Really miss the one my folks had back around 2002/3 - one of the last UK cars on an L plate with the single point injected 999cc engine. The move to fuel injection and coil pack ignition seemed to have dealt with a huge number of the gremlins as that car didn't give any damns whatsoever about what the weather was doing from 3 feet of snow to 25C and blazing sunshine. You just turned the key and off she went. Was an absolute hoot to drive, even with the weak syncromesh on 3rd gear. Probably not in any way even vaguely impressive on paper, but it just *felt* so eager in the way it drove and always managed to put a smile on our faces. AnnoyingPentium, LightBulbFun, wesacosa and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 https://youtu.be/izv4OhI0DOs Wake up from winter hibernation, take 2. Now with fresh oil and new a Bosch (not Fram) oil filter. Bonus celibratory horn toot from @PrinceRuperts Rover 75 at the end Charge light seems to have stopped working. Last time it was the earth hedgehog but this time doesn't seem to be I don't think you would ever know I had done an oil change here 😳 AnnoyingPentium, Dyslexic Viking, Shite Ron and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceRupert Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 😆 I didn't think you had heard me! Did wonder what you were doing... wesacosa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Well today was MOT day for the Panda. After the hectic but fun combined collection and MOT caper last year I was hoping for a more sedate MOT day. today. sadly it wasn't to be Plan was to take it to work this morning then MOT on the way home but after a few miles on the A2 there was an acrid burning smell and whisps of smoke from under the bonnet when I pulled up. I didn't fancy risking it through Dartford crossing so came home. It didn't smell like oil or coolant, it smelt electrical but smoke was from front of the engine. I then remembered that when I did the rocker cover gasket I used an engine degreaser to get rid of the thick build up of oil from years of leaking. Figuring it could be some of that I didn't wash off properly I got the bucket and scrubbing brush out and all seemed well so I went to the office late morning. After work I headed to the MOT garage M25, A13 . Car driving ok but seems to be a little hesitant still on the power. something for the list to investigate. Then it went a bit wrong feck. few hundred metres to the MOT station and the gear linkage fell apart. so instead of a triumphant day and another years motoring the journey ended in ignominy PrinceRupert, Dyslexic Viking, J W Pepper and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Keep going, don't let it beat you. As an aside, this is a proper failure of gearbag operation, as ably demonstrated by my ST150 a week ago 🤣 Dyslexic Viking, wesacosa, loserone and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumblespeed Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 My Lancia Y10 did that with the gear linkage once. Pulled out onto a roundabout in 1st, went for second - no gears. let it roll off the first exit from the roundabout an it trundled gently to a stop - right outside the Fiat dealership/Lancia specialist. What a brilliant little car. Back on the road about 15 minutes later. Be this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231771900800?hash=item35f6ae8b80:g:1Z8AAOSwSRRdiKUE mk2_craig, Matty and wesacosa 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Grumblespeed said: My Lancia Y10 did that with the gear linkage once. Pulled out onto a roundabout in 1st, went for second - no gears. let it roll off the first exit from the roundabout an it trundled gently to a stop - right outside the Fiat dealership/Lancia specialist. What a brilliant little car. Back on the road about 15 minutes later. Be this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231771900800?hash=item35f6ae8b80:g:1Z8AAOSwSRRdiKUE Hmm it looks different. The rod from the gear leaver has a round eyelet with a single bush inside (unless something dropped off). The other end has a domed pin. It looks like the bush fits in the eye and then push fits onto the domed pin EDIT. As I see it now, the part with the domed pin is missing from the diagram on eBay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rob88h Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Time to get creative with the zip-ties 🙃 wesacosa, Carl1981 and loserone 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumblespeed Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Quite a spectacular failure by the look of it. Usually that little red bush just gradually wears and develops play until the ball starts popping out, looks like yours has broken in half! Right pain to fit, it's a hardish plastic piece with a lip both sides (one side is missing in that pic) you have to get through the hole in that rod without crushing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumblespeed Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 11 hours ago, wesacosa said: As I see it now, the part with the domed pin is missing from the diagram on eBay Second diagram in the listing has the gearbox end linkage. wesacosa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumblespeed Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Actually if you can find the episode of Wheeler Dealers where they ruin a Panda 4x4 Ed does have to change one of these bushes. Actually quite a helpful watch for a change. wesacosa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Grumblespeed said: Actually if you can find the episode of Wheeler Dealers where they ruin a Panda 4x4 Ed does have to change one of these bushes. Actually quite a helpful watch for a change. ah yes I forgot they did that! I have ordered the kit you suggested so hopefully back on the road soon. Maybe a good opportunity to fit the gearbox end linkage that Giles left with the car if they are not too much of a PITA to change Mrs Spart, mk2_craig and Grumblespeed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 @Mrs Spart. Panda thread as requested Mrs Spart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Spart Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 9:25 AM, wesacosa said: ah yes I forgot they did that! I have ordered the kit you suggested so hopefully back on the road soon. Maybe a good opportunity to fit the gearbox end linkage that Giles left with the car if they are not too much of a PITA to change Love the way @spartacusis still keeping us all busy 😂😣😂 I think he definitely got the last laugh! Nice to see you're still persisting with the Panda... I've been plodding on with @spartacus BMW... Many have said, "why bother?" & "just sell it on as it is!"... You know what... I'm stubborn... If I was to give up on anything and everything at the first hurdle, then that would say something about "me"(!) So I take my hat off to you @wesacosa and for being stubborn and persisting 👍🏽👍🏽 Shite Ron, Sunny Jim, Grumblespeed and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 7:30 AM, Grumblespeed said: Quite a spectacular failure by the look of it. Usually that little red bush just gradually wears and develops play until the ball starts popping out, looks like yours has broken in half! Right pain to fit, it's a hardish plastic piece with a lip both sides (one side is missing in that pic) you have to get through the hole in that rod without crushing it. I missed this the first read through. Yes its a spectacular failure, I got no indication it was getting sloppy until two changes before it failed. New one felt more like rubber than plastic but looks hard as you say. Might have to try Edd China's jubilee clip method with some hot water and maybe red rubber Grease Grumblespeed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mrs Spart said: Love the way @spartacusis still keeping us all busy 😂😣😂 I think he definitely got the last laugh! Nice to see you're still persisting with the Panda... I've been plodding on with @spartacus BMW... Many have said, "why bother?" & "just sell it on as it is!"... You know what... I'm stubborn... If I was to give up on anything and everything at the first hurdle, then that would say something about "me"(!) So I take my hat off to you @wesacosa and for being stubborn and persisting 👍🏽👍🏽 haha yeah I think he would enjoy the challenge though as we all do. To be fair asides from the problem on the MOT the Panda has been great, and I'm pretty sure all of the work I have done on it would have been the stuff Spartacus would have done too. I have ordered the parts to fix it so I expect to have it back on the road soon. So glad you are making progress with the BMW and enjoying the MG too. I'm sure Spartacus would be proud of your determination Shite Ron, Mrs Spart, Sunny Jim and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Mixed day today. finally got a chance to crack on with the replacement bushes. I bought a set from eBay but it seems like mine has slightly different variations of bushes. However there was enough to refresh most of the bits that need doing, just one bush short I also fitted the shifter mechanism @spartacusleft with the car new bushes seemed to go in ok, warmed them up in hot water and some red rubber grease and they popped in with the vice without the Edd China jubilee clip method. Popped them back on the balls with mole grips. They didn't seem that tight to me so I hope I didn't damage them during fitting (or maybe too much grease?l. anyway the shift feels a lot tighter now so will see if they pop off again Whilst I was under the car I noticed the rear gearbox mount I did last year had a broken spring washer on the center bolt. I slackened it off to try and investigate but forgot it needed counterholding on a very hidden and very awkward bolt. You need to try and jiggle a 17mm spanner through a tiny slot in the suspension arm which is too small for a 17mm open ended spanner and the wrong angle for a ring spanner 😡. tried and fed up now so it can wait until tomorrow mk2_craig, High Jetter, PrinceRupert and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 hmm it appears the reason a 17mm spanner wont fit through the hole and onto the bolt head is that the bolt head is a 13mm 🤦🏼 CGSB and Grumblespeed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesacosa Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 well it made it further than last time. Nervous wait for the MOT now Fumbler, PrinceRupert, Dan302 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceRupert Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Good luck ... at least it made it there this time ! wesacosa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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