Clanger Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Guess the point being made is that it would be preferable* having a marrow up your arse than a brick?Ahhh. Finally, language I can understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobthebeard Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I bet the 'new' Defender has small windows, a lower roof line and retina searing head/tail lights. So not really a Defender at all then.... Just another fashion directed vee hickle. Great for school runs. mercrocker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Tidybeard Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 That's a false and emotive argument - they could just stop making cars altogether to reduce road deaths.teach kids road sense might work as well Bobthebeard, hennabm and AlabamaShrimp 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_70s Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Isn't it the fact that the Defender is shit for both pedestrians and occupants in an accident that it hasn't been sold in the US for yonks? I've never really understood the market for these to be honest. They are hideously expensive brand new and uncompromisingly uncomfortable, very basic in design yet not terribly reliable and anybody who wants to "go anywhere" may as well buy one from 20 years ago that's essentially the same but cheaper. I very rarely see them around up here, most have simply dissolved away and all the farmers have Hilux pick-ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New POD Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 The Indian-owned Land Rover? TATA were planning a JRL plant in China because of erm import duty and exchange rate risk mitigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadworkUK Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Now all we need is Mercedes to stop building the G-Wagen; a car which genuinely should have ceased production two decades ago and is now exclusively bought by people who wear £3000 a pair jeans below their arses. Lacquer Peel, Sigmund Fraud and NorfolkNWeigh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacquer Peel Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Isn't it the fact that the Defender is shit for both pedestrians and occupants in an accident that it hasn't been sold in the US for yonks?It's only recently that commercial vehicles have been subjected to the same crash tests as cars in the US and Europe. The body on frame pickups popular in the US used to crash REALLY badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbaldy Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Bleedin norra what speed is that pickup crash test conducted at,I knew discos folded like tin foil but didn't realise all separate chassis vehicles did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I don't think this will be the last we see of the Defender really, TATA love selling old tech to Indians, so perhaps an Indian Defender is on the cards. The Ford Cargo and Leyland PD3 still live on in India...Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickwall Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Defenders will still be on the road for yonks. It was hand built for the most parts, so it was inefficient and had to go, but we'll see what comes next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I wonder how long it will be until the first brand new homemade Defender, made from parts brought over the counter, happens? brickwall and andrew e 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnDeere Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Do we deffo know it's for pedestrian safety? My money's on the space could be used more efficiently for a line that churns out motors faster and at a higher profit margin (which is fair enough, it's a business at the end of the day).I think that's exactly it, plus JLR want to move Solihull to be all riveted ally moncoque manufacturing. When the Disco retires in March that will be the end of steel chassis-based construction there. What you also realise watching the final assembly there is that a LWB RR costs basically the same to manufacture as a Disco but sells for twice as much. So the more high-end motors you can have sailing down the line, the better for the West Midlands and Tata's economies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERNO Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 What's people living in rural areas opinion on the amount of Land Rovers in working use by farmers etc.? There always seems to be a few for sale on eBay in Cumbria and Yorkshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERNO Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 I'd imagine a lot of people have switched to a quad bike in the last twenty years. Big quads with a couple of bales on the back are pretty much standard for feeding sheep etc these days. Lacquer Peel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickwall Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Land Rovers a plenty around these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERNO Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 Land Rovers a plenty around these parts. I don't get out of London much so I was wondering how many were still doing active work in fields. The HiLux is fairly ubiquitous too but the only Land Rovers I see are an old Series LR which someone local drives and the odd "urban" Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren t claim Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I'm more worried about what the Darleks are going to do for spare lights now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethj Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 They weren't Land Rover lights, you didn't see the Daleks light up dim and then flash when the indicators and brakes were on at the same time. Dick Longbridge, warren t claim, Dead_E23 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I think that's exactly it, plus JLR want to move Solihull to be all riveted ally moncoque manufacturing. When the Disco retires in March that will be the end of steel chassis-based construction there. What you also realise watching the final assembly there is that a LWB RR costs basically the same to manufacture as a Disco but sells for twice as much. So the more high-end motors you can have sailing down the line, the better for the West Midlands and Tata's economies. So does this mean the RR Sport is body on chassis as well?! That is also so correct. VW loses money on Lupos and Polos and things, but makes mega bunce on its Audis. They cost the same to make. Who loses? Stupid consumers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERNO Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 I think the new Defender platform, whatever that may be, might be quite exciting. I have the impression that there's a decent amount of R&D money around at JLR these days to come up with something good. It would be great to see something with a pickup body, or other special bodies for that matter, at a price that was affordable to farmers, local authorities, power companies etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 So does this mean the RR Sport is body on chassis as well?! That is also so correct. VW loses money on Lupos and Polos and things, but makes mega bunce on its Audis. They cost the same to make. Who loses? Stupid consumers...No, the new RRS uses the same platform as the proper Range Rover. That leaves the Discovery as the only thing with a chassis. The Discovery Sport and Evoque use the Freelander 2 platform , which is basically a 10 year old Mondeo one, ironically put together in the same factory where the X-Type was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Ah ok, googled the old one though... I wonder if all the drug dealers and successful hairdressers know their cars have the dynamic properties of an Iveco Eurocargo rml2345 and andrew e 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbaldy Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Let's see how mr may deals with land rover tonight on episode two of cars of the people. In a show of solidarity to LR I put a deposit down on one today, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Just noticed the missing comma in my previous post. But as Scousers are supposed to be comedy geniuses, perhaps they do build them ironically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Ross Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I drive a 2a 109" diesel. I work at a rural Lincolnshire Main LR dealer. We still have a dozen Defenders "in stock". I have the privilege of drilling holes in pristine bodywork, and lobbing rivnuts in them. It's quite an emotional feeling, knowing these are the last ones we'll register... seriously. But, business is business. More money can be had by fitting electric automatic opening sidesteps to RR Sports, than by selling filters to enthusiasts, who all crow on about "the good old days". I prefer mine because it has elbow room. I also feel mine handles better on leaf springs, than modern boingies.... but, progress is progress. If the company survives, just like the Judge Dredd film perceived, then so be it, I keep my job. NorfolkNWeigh, ERNO and JohnDeere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnDeere Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I wonder if all the drug dealers and successful hairdressers know their cars have the dynamic properties of an Iveco Eurocargodon't worry, the Disco 3/4, and particularly the old Sport, go around bends surprisingly well for 2.5 tonne trucks andy18s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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