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I have recently started thinking that buying an old tractor is a good idea to buy an old tractor. I have no need for a Tractor but why should I let that stop me? The only experience I have of Tractors is using the old Massey 165 at the sawmill that I work at. Being a BL pervert I am drawn to Leyland's and Marshalls,  but I wouldn't turn my nose up at an International, David Brown or a Fordie.

Across the field from the sawmill is a "machinery dealer" that has two fields full of old Tractors, machinery and cars and amongst the haven of shite is various Leyland's that have caught my eye.

Here are a couple that have caught my eye on ebay.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leyland-384-tractor-rare-/371308250061?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5673b243cd

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/David-Brown-995-commercial-tractor-trip-loader-rear-wheel-counterweights-/161689751884?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item25a575d14c

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/David-Brown-1210-loader-/261868524081?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf8949231

 

Has anyone got any tips for getting into Tractors?

Old tractors are great !! They can also be a money pit, they are not cheap to get them shipped anywhere due to the weight of even a small one. Fergie's hold their money well and not really the shitters choice. Leylands and the David Browns are the bottom end of the market. Try to get something with hydraulics and a fore loader as it makes it more usefull. Watch out for cracked blocks due to no antifreeze and tyres are not cheap but it depends what you want to do with it. My first tractor was the B250 international and it makes a great first tractor but prices are creeping up and vary depending on where you are. Small tractors sell well in livestock areas so are dearer than if you find one in east anglia on the flat arable land. Cambridge machinery sales are always worth a look but a bit pricey due to export. If you get one they are best used off road so you need a field and obviously you will need some implements as well to play with. As I said a fore loader is great and for real fun try to find a mcconnel power arm ditching attachment. Insurance with the NFU was about £20 a year when I had mine so I could at least use it on the road if I had to. They don't drive well on the road due to the fact that in our sort of price range there is bound to be a lot of slack in the steering and king pins. Good luck in your search.

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The neighbours were in the garden here yesterday, taking away all our old roof tiles (even though the shed here needs a new roof these are so crap I can't be having with them) so I took the oppertunity to take some snaps for you tractor freaks lovers.

 

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I guess really I should have asked some questions but, with my poor Croatia and their complete lack of English, it proved too difficult. I did ask why the IMT has two keys - one is for ignition and one is for start, but when I tried to say it was like a safety deposit box communication went out the window.

 

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I noticed the Zetor has new tyres, so (via t'wfe) I asked how much they cost. The rears were 1600Kn (about 160 quid) a pop. Is that cheap or expensive? For these guys on what they earn I imagine their families must go on a diet for a month or two in order to pay for them.

 

I have to confess I quite like the IMT, it kind of feels like a classic car rather than a bit of old farm machinery. I've been offered a ride in it. I hope this doesn't mean I have to stop complaining about them on the roads...

 

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Does anybody know what these are??

 

The picture is from the NRM collection and is captioned;

 

"...Excavators on railway wagons hauled by a diesel locomotive at Harwich, 1 November 1966. These vehicles are about to be loaded onto the Cambridge Ferry and shipped abroad..."

 

It's a shame there are no identifying markings. I'm no expert in these things but they don't look 'home grown' to me, mainly because of that distinctive glass cab. I think it's more likely they are being unloaded from the ferry...

 

I could be completely wrong though...

 

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Are they JCBs?  The cab doesn't look very JCB-ish but could be a special cab for export perhaps.

 

I go down to the old Harwich quay from time to time and they still export JCBs from a yard there; in fact it's generally chock-full of excavators and other machinery.

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Does anybody know what these are??

 

The picture is from the NRM collection and is captioned;

 

"...Excavators on railway wagons hauled by a diesel locomotive at Harwich, 1 November 1966. These vehicles are about to be loaded onto the Cambridge Ferry and shipped abroad..."

 

It's a shame there are no identifying markings. I'm no expert in these things but they don't look 'home grown' to me, mainly because of that distinctive glass cab. I think it's more likely they are being unloaded from the ferry...

 

I could be completely wrong though...

 

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the front panel/radiator design shouts Massey Ferguson to me

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Today I gave friend a hand getting his old tractor going as he's having a bit of a clear out and someone wants to come and see it.  I started to wire it so it would be off the key a couple of years ago but never finished it, between the two of us we didn't get the time. It's a tidy 1975 John Deere 3350 and it seems emissions weren't a problem in the 70's.

 

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I fucking stink now.

 

 

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Then I might as well share more on the 2 tractors on the property here. My father has a small company that produces and sells firewood on the property where I live and has 2 tractors for this.

The largest is a 1976 or 1978 Fiat 780 that drives the timber crane used to lift the logs to the log table by the firewood machine.

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The picture above is from last autumn before the log table was made.

 

The other tractor is a rarity outside Scandinavia 1973 Volvo BM 430. These have the same Perkins engine as in the Massey Ferguson 135 but the Volvo is bigger and heavier and a more modern tractor than a 135. One thing that is a bit unique for these Volvos is the pto it can be driven as on all other tractors but also on gears. This makes them very popular and sought after for use on firewood machines as engine rpm is lower than on tractors without this. My father uses the pto on 4 gear which makes the engine run at low rpm which gives low noise and diesel consumption.

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The Volvo is running the firewood machine 5 to 6 months per year. And the firewood machine is a Finnish Pilkemaster Evo 36 like bellow if anyone is interested.

 

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Then another tractor has arrived here as we have been looking for another tractor to run/drive the firewood machine that I described above. And we have especially looked for a tractor with the same PTO system as on the Volvo 430, ie that the PTO can be driven on gears something few old tractors have.

But another tractor manufacturer that had this system in the 1970s was Zetor. And on Sunday, a Zetor 2511 came for sale 2 hours away and it was bought and brought home yesterday (Tuesday).

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So this is a 1976 Zetor 2511 with only 1300 hours which may be right after the story it has something I will come back to. This is Zetor's smallest tractor model in the 1970s and has a 1.6 liter 2 cylinder diesel engine with 25 horsepower. It had 1 owner from new to mid 2000's when he passed away he was a local character who did not have a car so the Zetor was used instead and the seller remembered well when the first owner was on his way to the store with a wooden box on the back of the tractor with the dog in. The first owner was also not in good health so the tractor was not been used for much more than this. When he passed away, a local took over the tractor but hardly used it, so after a good number of years it was sold to the next owner who used it for snow removal in the winter and the son-in-law used it a little on his farm in the summer. So my father is only the 4 owner and it has so far lived its whole life in Fyresdal Norway which is a slightly isolated valley in the mountains in southern Norway.

So this seems like a good buy. We were also lucky as Zetor tractors are in high demand abroad so many end up being exported. Which makes them increasingly difficult to find here.

 

And today we have spent some time getting to know this and we just like this one better and better. It has a lot of thoughtful solutions and is more advanced and has more equipment than western tractors from the same period. Like the bonnet which is easy to open and which gives full access to the engine while some tractors such as the Massey Ferguson 135 have the fuel tank on top of the engine which makes access difficult.

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It also has an air compressor powered by the engine which is very convenient it also has the smallest fuel pump I have seen on a diesel and is just cute.

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It also has the same starter as the larger models, which means that the starter is almost as long as the engine.

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It also has the largest air filter I have seen so far on a tractor and assumes it is an oil bath type filter.

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It also has hydraulic brakes as in a car but has a valve where one can regulate all braking force to one of the sides (are only brakes on the rear axle) to help with sharp turning at low speeds.  And most tractor manufacturers at this time still had mechanical brakes.

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It also has a column gear shift which means that you do not have to have the gear lever between the legs which is nice. This is a very simple system that goes straight into the gearbox without linkages.

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And in the picture below you see the gear pattern on the right, high and low gear in the middle and the 3 pto settings on the left. Am a little unsure of the difference between the 2 pto systems that can be driven on gears so I have to read about that.

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So I'm very impressed and happy with this tractor so far. And with this pto system and the small fuel efficient engine, it will probably be perfect for pto work. And it is more advanced and has more equipment than its western competitors and confirms what I believe after much research that Zetor has an undeserved bad reputation in Western Europe.

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