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49 minutes ago, captain_70s said:

I'm the one running the hobbyweld stuff, £60 odd deposit on the bottle and £38 a fill or something? For the amount I'm using it's not bad value...

I think I worked out that the BOC cylinder is equivalent to 5 of those hobbyweld cylinder fills. The BOC bottle is a heavy fucker though and broke the back on welding trolley...

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How it was supposed to be:

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I'll probably move back to hobbyweld once I've done the Dolomite as I really don't intend to buy another car that requires a weldathon again. 😬

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Just to echo what others have said. There’s some really impressive work going on here - but also some love too. 

You’re also putting a lot of yourself into this, Cap’n. I think that makes for the most rewarding ownership experience. 

I’d not be running it daily either, not after all the blood sweat and tears. I reckon I’d play the £500/20 mile game on eBay and see what turns up. 

Well done again. Proper shitin’ (No G)

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7 hours ago, Zelandeth said:

Xsara Picasso or Berlingo would probably be my suggestions for a beater for day to day use.  Picassos in particular seem to be easy to pick up pretty cheap these days and are fantastically practical cars.

I think after all his effort in saving these cars something less miserable is deserved. I think Angrydicky  suggested a Rover 620 which is a car I always thought looked quite good for a modern car.  A Rover 75 is another that has some style and character.

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Aye 75s are out, I like 'em but even a decade ago I knew a guy who was breaking rotters and complaining that they were always going wrong and finding decent parts was getting to be a chore.  Especially as I'm a picky cunt and it'd have to be a pre-Project Drive mk1 tourer...

I'm also not really wanting to delve into the bangernomics/disposable car territory. More along the lines of the Volvo, where outgoings are expected but ridiculous efforts like have gone into the Acclaim/Dolly are out of the question. I'd budgeted another £300-400 for getting the Volvo through an MOT, which would have been doable if it wasn't rotten, bringing the total spend for the car with a year's ticket to £600-700, still not a bad for a 740 estate. As it was it was going to be £300 in repairs/tyres and then several weeks of welding. Naw.

 

Current theoretical contenders are:

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Another 700/900 series estate. Although probably not a 2.0, possibly not an auto. Basically not the one I fucking bought. There are many engine/turbo/gearbag options, mine was the second least desirable (by the merit it had fuel injection and not a carb...)

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Peugeot 405 estate. My grandad had one for fucking years, he quite possibly still does... Despite a life of abuse on a council estate in Leeds it never seemed to need anything important repaired...

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Rover 400 tourer. Yes I'll never find one, yes I can't afford one. They are quite funky though...

All old enough to be "whoa, haven't seen one of those for ages", none old enough to be at the point where even shitboxes cost real money. I'm not even going to bother looking for another car until summertime next year because of the state of everything in the world as a whole right now. Budget of £800-1300 (holy shit, real money) and no pressing need to buy should result in a decent late 80s/early 90s estate car that'll get on a "classic" insurance policy.

The last two cars I've purchased have been bought blind for well under the market value for a good example, so I'm hoping I can do considerably better by actually looking at the cars I buy and paying closer to what they're worth...

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On 11/24/2020 at 8:19 PM, SiC said:

I think I worked out that the BOC cylinder is equivalent to 5 of those hobbyweld cylinder fills. The BOC bottle is a heavy fucker though and broke the back on welding trolley...

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How it was supposed to be:

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I'll probably move back to hobbyweld once I've done the Dolomite as I really don't intend to buy another car that requires a weldathon again. 😬

Famous last words 😂

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3 hours ago, captain_70s said:

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Rover 400 tourer. Yes I'll never find one, yes I can't afford one. They are quite funky though..

 

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Needs a Head Gasket as it's doing a Kettle impression, it's the other end of the country from yourself but possible if you can afford the transport of it, 

Great saving Skilzz on the Acclaim and Dolly by the way, most inspiring 

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36 minutes ago, rusty998 said:

 

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Just so happens that I came across one of these on Facebook Today  £400 with a K series near Gatwick airport,  if I didn't have the Allegro on the drive I think I would have got it bought,

Needs a Head Gasket as it's doing a Kettle impression, it's the other end of the country from yourself but possible if you can afford the transport of it, 

Great saving Skilzz on the Acclaim and Dolly by the way, most inspiring 

That's nuts, I've only ever seen one and that was in Holland! Sadly wrong place, time and condition for me - Still a cool motor though.

29 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

940s are pushing £2000 now.

Aye, now a decent 200 series will set you back £5k+ the later cars are following suit. Plenty of cheaper ones still crop up in the classifieds etc. I think prices are being artificially inflated slightly by the several minty low milers that are sat on eBay at £4-6k but never actually sell...

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The folk asking £4-6k on Ebay for a grands worth of 940 have to be terminally optimistic, particularly as reasonably tidy examples can still be had for £500 if you're patient enough. Obviously they should be bought on condition and not mileage as the odometer is usually either broken or senile anyway. 

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940 prices are representative of the classic car market in general at the moment. Whenever you look, 7/10 off the 940's on eBay are dealers asking £4.5-5k for stuff that sits there for months and isn't actually selling. Then a private seller with a clean, late 2.3 LPT manual comes up for auction without reserve and sells at £1200.  I watch for 940's (too) often and still think a decent one can be had for £1500 max if you're patient and quick.

Out of those 3 the Volvo would get my vote, although I've never owned a Rover tourer.

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On 11/23/2020 at 9:10 PM, captain_70s said:

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I have been known in the past to put up a stout defence of the Triumph Acclaim and its part in the revival of ARG's fortunes. However, regardless of the groundwork the car laid which lead to a close and very fruitful partnership with Honda I would have turned that into bean tins long ago. You are to be congratulated for your grim determination.

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Your Acclaim welding is an absolute inspiration. I've never seen such madness for a lowly BL product - please, keep it up!

All the talk about Volvos... I'm planning on trying to move my 960 on (again) when I can get to it (in storage). It's a 3.0 Auto saloon, for your information...

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Just read through the last few months worth. Bloody hell. You deserve a medal each lads. Services to shite.

I reckon as a daily driver you want something late 90s. I think that's where peak automobile resides. Anything older won't keep up with modern traffic as well, anything newer will have OMG electronic complication. Bodywork will be the only issue but you clearly have the skills to keep rot at bay there.

I'd be tempted to get a mid sized cheap estate car for tat hauling duties. Something that just runs and runs.



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On 6/21/2020 at 9:38 PM, plasticvandan said:

Can't watch because of that hateful woman unfortunately. Captain,have you not thought that the extra few hundred quid insuring a car like the Volvo would be offset by not having to spend every spare penny,every spare minute,docked pay,etc on the triumphs?

Ha, sorry you find me hateful! Have we met in person? Sorry if I've upset you in some way, not at all intentional. 

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Work continues, mostly in my absence admittedly, @GingerNuttz did approx 98% of the work...

With the rear quarters reattached more rot was dug out in the front valance, boot lid and around the rear lights.

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When finishing welding to the rear quarters it was found that the bushes for the strut were shot, and with parts being largely unavailable for these cars the only option was to cast custom poly ones...

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Due to the sheer amount of repairs the only viable option was to respray the whole car. Originally planned to be a quick blow over along the sides and polishing the existing paint on the roof and bonnet it soon became clear that it'd be not much more effort to paint the whole thing. Sanding back the roof found quite a few areas of surface rust that'd previously been painted over too...

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So Saturday was mostly spent sanding, with a trip out to the paint shop to choose/buy a top coat. Over time the goals for the quality of the respray grew, so I took off all the doorcards to remove the locks and handles as to avoid harsh masking lines, then the doors were removed to allow painting of the jams.

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Fun fact, the hinges must be fitted to the car before it's painted, as it's just bare metal underneath them.

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Over the next week @GingerNuttz is going to finish the primer stage, spray the door jams in blue and clear the garage ready for the top coat to be applied to the body on Saturday.

Oh, the latest colour was chosen from swatches at the local paint place. So the stock colour was Eclipse Blue:

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But the car had been sprayed Mercedes Stahlblau:

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And it's now getting sprayed Iveco Kolbatblau:

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A bit more saturated and more depth to it I think.

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  • captain_70s changed the title to Rusty Triumphs in Scotland - Totally fucking fixed mate, big time - 13/12/20

Excellent work!

Back in around 2000/01 our Acclaim was going rusty along both roof gutters. It wasn't particularly bad anywhere else, bit odd that. I feel bad that it never saw the road again after we sold it, as my stepdad's father had it from new, but back then there wasn't the interest and who'd pit all that effort into saving an Acclaim?.......

I still have those lights etc here for you. They won't be going anywhere until we can find a reliable way of getting them up to you.

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      A year went by where the holes in the wings got filled with expanding builders foam and filler, the steels were replaced with RS 4 spokes from a SuperSport and the chunky bumpers were swapped out with earlier chrome ones. While it was slowly being improved I knew it needed more substantial work and over the year I got hold of a genuine pair of front wings and a pattern front panel, then in March 2011 I taugt myself how to weld, on the few holes in the boot floor before moving to tackling the very sad inner front wings and front panel. After a respray, I hurriedly chucked it all back together in 2 days and drove it to Glasgow for the annual Mk1 Fiesta meet at Loch Lomand.
      Its looked really rather snazzy

      That was 9 years ago now though. For a couple of years I tried to buy other cars to use through winter and keep it nice, but a combination of the Fiesta being amazingly good in snow and the general unreliability of my winter beaters meant that this got used in all weathers. Then I left for four years and it was left at the back of my parents drive. Time has not been kind, rust has been bubbling through on the seams on the front and rear panels, on the wings and the scuttle for some time. On coming back, I used it for a few months through last spring and from a distance it looked grand, but up close you could see it had been a bit neglected. I ended up getting a Ford Puma and the Fiesta sat languishing at the back of the drive again for a good 6 months or so while I tried to find the time to fix it, then lock down occurred!
      I started on the back, no photos of what it looked like before I started but it really wasn't pretty. Holes on either side of the boot floor, a big old hole on the passenger side of the rear panel and a very scruffy edge to the drivers side where it meets the rear quarter. After scrubbing back all the rust, trating the surface rust and welding in new metal, it looked like this after a first smear of filler.
      With a bit more work and some paint, it now looks like this. I've run out of paint and am struggling to get hold of any decent Ford 'Ocean Blue' at the moment but I'll get some more layers on as soon as I can.


      The corners of the boot floor have also had a tickle with the MIG:


      The seam behind the boot latch, under the boot seal had also rotted out, so that's also been ground out and new metal let in. I haven't got too prissy with the filler and how this edge looks, seeing as it will be hidden.

      On the original restoration I did have the good idea to make the wings bolt on as they were originally held on with spot welds and I wanted to be able to get behind them to clean out and rust proof behind. Obviously these good intentions never came to anything and they've not moved until I pulled them off about 2 weeks ago. The passenger side needed a bit of complicated work close to the leading edge of the door. leading into the inner arch and floor pan. No before pictures but it looks alright all welded up and covered in seam sealer, red oxide and Hammerite. I've got some proper Dinitrol stone chip stuff on the way which I'll spray around under here to try and protect it a bit better than it was before.

      The drivers side is probably a bit worse, a hole in an awkward spot at the bottom behind the wheel , a hole below the scuttle drain and a big old load of rust all around a box section that runs across the back of the inner wheel arch.

       
      Today I managed to weld up the majority of this mess There is no longer a big hole in the floor and the bit below the scuttle drain is solid. Just the outer edge down next to the door and the outside rectangle on the box section to fix up. Probably an afternoons work if you exclude waiting for paint to dry. I need to make a decision on if I try and find the spot welds for the front panel and take it off to de-rust it properly. It looks a bit nasty on the front edge, but behind, my cheap seam sealer and hammerite has cracked, letting water into the joints between the panel and the inner wings and cross member. I don't really want to take it off as it's going to be a bastard to line all the panels up again but it might be for the best in the long run unless there is some fantastic (probably Bilt Hamber) product that can creep into the joints and fuck up the rust.


      There's also this spot under the windscreen on the scuttle panel which I'm dreading, if only because the screen will need to come out which will almost certainly mean it will break and then it will start raining.

      I'll make some decision on this tomorrow. I've got some time on my hands because tomorrow the Fiesta will have to wait because it's chod collection time!
      To be continued.
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