Volksy Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I believe that they are an ex DKW/Auto Union Design. As I Remember in Spain some had MB badges and some the Audi four rings. Austat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martc Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Adrian_pt said: Thought I was pretty up to speed on most stuff sold in Europe after the war - turns out every day is a school day. WOULD, incidentally. It's a Mercedes N1300 made by in Spain by IMOSA (Industrias del Motor SA) made between 1963 and 1986 - so why didn't we all see them when we used to go on holiday to Spain? Phun phact, and equally obscure, it was based on the DKW-IMOSA F1000; it was also called the Auto-Union F1000. Imagine turning up at your local Aldi dealer in one of these - You've just been nicked by the Style Police. Lacquer Peel, Austat, face and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrett Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Those are my favourite vans ever (maybe the Taunus Transit just pips it, actually). The thinking man's Barkas! It's been too long since I drove a DKW... Volksy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesapandre Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 A few for sale in Spain. Mostly 3-5000€. RayMK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volksy Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 There are so many oddball badge engineered Vans in Spain. The BMC J4 got recycled as the SAVA/Pegaso J4 The Alfa Romeo F12 became the EBRO F100 Ford Trader and D series trucks were also made and badged as EBRO Obviously the above DKW/Mercedes combo My favourite has always been the EBRO F275, Later sold, even over here, as the Nissan Trade. An early one with the quad lamps and hinged side door for me please! Lacquer Peel and chaseracer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_FM Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, Volksy said: There are so many oddball badge engineered Vans in Spain. The BMC J4 got recycled as the SAVA/Pegaso J4 The Alfa Romeo F12 became the EBRO F100 Ford Trader and D series trucks were also made and badged as EBRO Obviously the above DKW/Mercedes combo My favourite has always been the EBRO F275, Later sold, even over here, as the Nissan Trade. An early one with the quad lamps and hinged side door for me please! I got the impression that there were some high import taxes during Franco's time so manufacturers used to have to find ways round them, importing CKD kits then assembling them in Spain was common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martc Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 On 5/14/2020 at 1:28 PM, Richard_FM said: I got the impression that there were some high import taxes during Franco's time so manufacturers used to have to find ways round them, importing CKD kits then assembling them in Spain was common. That's true - high import tariffs and quotas were applied to cars (and other manufactured goods) by the Franco regime. This explains the origins of the large car industry in Spain today - all the major manufacturers wanted a share of the market and the only way to do this was to build a factory there. Joint ventures with a local manufacturer were actively encouraged egs include the famous union of FIAT with SEAT, IMOSA with DKW etc as seen above and FASA (Fabricación de Automóviles Sociedad Anónima de Valladolid) with Renault. It wasn't all CKD's though - there were some home made designs as well eg the famous FASA Renault 7 as seen in this parish. India and Brazil's colourful motor vehicle histories have the same fiscal background. bunglebus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_FM Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 The Renault 7s did get sold much outside of Spain but the doors were the same as the 5 door 5s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_FM Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Even the Americans got in on the act with the Dodge 3700GT assembled in Spain. Many of these were used as official cars by the government. Some were brought to the UK for use in the filming of Batman. https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_16572-Dodge-3700-GT-1972.html Some more information on the link, especially the posts by someone involved with the filming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remspoor Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 On 5/16/2020 at 4:35 PM, Richard_FM said: Even the Americans got in on the act with the Dodge 3700GT assembled in Spain. Many of these were used as official cars by the government. Some were brought to the UK for use in the filming of Batman. https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_16572-Dodge-3700-GT-1972.html Some more information on the link, especially the posts by someone involved with the filming. Those cars were KNK from Argentina fitted a lot were fitted with diesel engines. Spanish WIKI The English version lacks a lot of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_FM Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, Remspoor said: Those cars were KNK from Argentina fitted a lot were fitted with diesel engines. Spanish WIKI The English version lacks a lot of information. Ok I couldn’t find too much about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpingjehovahs Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 This is the Isuzu Stylus/Gemini, which seems like quite a sweet little thing. I love finding new Isuzu cars, usually from the USDM - but then always feel a bit shortchanged we only got the Trooper and Piazza. This was then replaced by the fourth generation Isuzu Gemini:That led me to the Isuzu Oasis which I think I’ve seen 1 of in the states That would’ve done quite well here I reckon, as it would’ve been priced below the Odyssey/Shuttle. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk TooManyPeopleMovers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martc Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 ^^^^ Isn't that a Honda Shuttle by another name? twosmoke300 and TooManyPeopleMovers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Snipes Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 That pre-Civic Gemini looks a lot like a Lancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebus Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I was following a Toyota Noah the other day Sorry wrong pic myglaren, warch and Reluctant Adult 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garythesnail Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 That 4th Generation Gemini looks like a Honda Domani . . . . . which, underneath, is a lot like a Civic . . .. and a DC2 Integra (and DC5 - anyone know?) . . . a Rover 400 (HHR, but rear of an R8 too) . . . . . and an MGZS. . . . . it really wasn't such a bad platform. twosmoke300 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Snipes Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 All broadly the same yeah, though I'd hesitate to say they're identical. Funny, the ZS190 is essentially a more-door, v6 Teg TypeR yet people don't really care about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimH Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 In a post about gearboxes @Talbot said... Quote If it's a BE1/5 your selection is a bit slimmer. I think you're then looking at very early models of Peugeot 205/309, and Citroen BX/C15 You'd also be able to use one from a Diesel Talbot Horizon, but they are bonkers rare now, possibly only one or two left in the UK. I never knew this car existed. I cannot imagine who drove a Horizon and thought to themselves "You know what? This would be great if only it were even more clattery" meshking, Skizzer and twosmoke300 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volksy Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 My local police in Spain used those Diesel horizons as panda cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_FM Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 1 hour ago, JimH said: In a post about gearboxes @Talbot said... I never knew this car existed. I cannot imagine who drove a Horizon and thought to themselves "You know what? This would be great if only it were even more clattery" In fairness it was the XUD engine which was the smoothest diesel around in the early 1980s. One turned up as a barnfind a few years ago & is hopefully in good hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1duck Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Renault Kangoo Trekka....a 4x4 renault kangoo. tom13 and TooManyPeopleMovers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Theres a maroon Horizon Diesel down the road from me, belongs to a mental old boy who seems to buy up nice cars then lets them rot at the rodaside for a few months before moving them into his field, never to be seen again. It was mint when he got it about 18 months ago. 2 very nice Morris Minor vans have had 'the treatment' in thw last year or so too. Recently he's picked up a nice B-reg Volvo 240 saloon which is just festering away steadily in the usual spot. catsinthewelder and BL Bloke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quicksilver Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Richard_FM said: In fairness it was the XUD engine which was the smoothest diesel around in the early 1980s. One turned up as a barnfind a few years ago & is hopefully in good hands. I'm sure I read somewhere that the Horizon was the first car to be fitted with the XUD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_FM Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 54 minutes ago, quicksilver said: I'm sure I read somewhere that the Horizon was the first car to be fitted with the XUD. Yes I believe so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 7 hours ago, JimH said: I cannot imagine who drove a Horizon and thought to themselves "You know what? This would be great if only it were even more clattery" I had three Diesel Talbot Horizons, and several more petrol ones. I can say with a fair degree of certainty that the XUD engine-d cars were smoother on the road than the simca engine-d ones. Idle was a bit more clattery, as they hadn't sorted out how to mount an XUD properly yet, but on the move it was a fabulous car. I put about 50k miles on one in around 18 months driving up and back to Dundee in the mid-90's. For a while I harboured silly ideas like putting an 1.9TD engine in one. Would have made it even better as a car, but TD engines were still £fucking loads when I had those ideas. 1 hour ago, quicksilver said: I'm sure I read somewhere that the Horizon was the first car to be fitted with the XUD. It was. Only by a few months, but it was definitely first. It also had a completely unique engine mount on the engine side which was swiftly changed for when the engine went into later cars. The Visa was the first car to have it in the Citroen range, with PSA using the XUD7 in the Visa and the XUD9 in the Horizon. Having a car that is so notorious for galloping rot with such a long-lived engine as an XUD is why I can weld. Skizzer, Garythesnail and spartacus 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Mr_Bo11ox said: Theres a maroon Horizon Diesel down the road from me, belongs to a mental old boy who seems to buy up nice cars then lets them rot at the rodaside for a few months before moving them into his field, never to be seen again. Shit. Don't tell me things like that. There are no more than about three Horizon Diesels left in the UK and I stupidly have a hankering for another. I am absolutely and completely unable to buy anything more, but it would be nice to know that something as astonishingly rare as a the first car ever to receive the XUD was actually being looked after rather than just deteriorating at the roadside. If it's the one I think it is, it sold on eBay about 18-24 months ago. Maroon and on a B-plate, for about £800, which is cheap for a Horizon now. Despite having all the desirability of damp crisps, they are quite an endangered species and deserve to be preserved. Does said old-boy entertain door-knockers for his cars I wonder? Dick Longbridge and LightBulbFun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Yes thats the one. I dont know of he entertains door knockwrs but he must get a few as he always has shite lying about on the roadside. Heres the Horizon on streetview!!!! He's got it parked on his field now though. https://www.google.com/maps/@53.1150204,-1.3714416,3a,75y,279.98h,70.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-gAEYBEwtLJEKsHTvUWzig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 face 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Longbridge Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mr_Bo11ox said: Yes thats the one. I dont know of he entertains door knockwrs but he must get a few as he always has shite lying about on the roadside. Heres the Horizon on streetview!!!! He's got it parked on his field now though. https://www.google.com/maps/@53.1150204,-1.3714416,3a,75y,279.98h,70.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-gAEYBEwtLJEKsHTvUWzig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 That Horizon so deserves a chance at life. Someone buy it from him, please. Austat and BL Bloke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Got to be honest i wouldnt hold your breath. The guy acquired 2 very smart green morris minor vans last year, both looked shiny like theyd not long been restored. Theyre not cheap items right? Both are now on the same spot of damp ground where theyve sat for the last 6 months easily. He's got a Minor pick up festering under a tarp wedged between 2 trees that looked half decent when I moved here, it must be seriously manky now. I'm gonna hazard a guess that he's not a logical kind of dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Longbridge Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Whilst I tire of the facebook mindset whereby anyone with something festering in their drive is seen as a 'selfish twat' (personally, I normally have something festering in the drive, as do many of us on here, and would never sell to a random door knocker) the owner of the Horizon and the aforementioned Moggie vans clearly is a selfish twat. Shite Ron, LightBulbFun, Skizzer and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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