Triumph Herald update - paint prep advise?

[The Reverend Bluejeans 12800]

I have a 61 s with a fiber dash. 

 

That's the badger.

[stephen01 2055]

Not an actual update on any work, but my wife has managed to talk her sister into letting me use her garage to work on my herald, she’s only had her new house for 2 weeks 😂

I went up yesterday and made myself a work bench, total cost £8.50. 

 

Car is booked to be moved next Saturday, I’ve got to put the front hub back in first so it’ll roll! 

[Low Horatio gearbox 219]

Good to see the essential tools are there... kettle and a hammer.

[stephen01 2055]

58 minutes ago, Low Horatio gearbox said:

Good to see the essential tools are there... kettle and a hammer.

Wife got me the kettle so I don’t pester the sister in law for cups of tea!
 

I need to buy me a heater, while it was okay yesterday, I was only messing about with wood, I’m sure cold bits of car will be different

[Six-cylinder 20857]

9 minutes ago, stephen01 said:

Wife got me the kettle so I don’t pester the sister in law for cups of tea!

But your sister-in-law will still will have to make your welcoming bacon roll and home baked cake for afternoon tea!

[stephen01 2055]

Had this picked up and dropped off at the garage today, 

 

 

tucked up, I ideally wanted it front first so I could work away from the cold door, plus my tools etc are the other end! 
 

picking up some new goggles etc tomorrow and will hopefully be able to do some bits to it! 
 

 

[Mrs6C 5881]

Lovely 12/50! Do you have any photos of your 'S'? They are rare beasts these days. Did yours have a heater and has it still got its rubber mats instead of the carpet?

[Isaac Hunt 1386]

On 1/3/2021 at 11:07 AM, stephen01 said:

 

I need to buy me a heater

Then you will have to store the milk outside

[Jerzy Woking 3495]

Was it relatively easy to haul it out from where it was parked up? I remember where it was when i dropped off the Suzuki to you.

[stephen01 2055]

7 hours ago, Mrs6C said:

Lovely 12/50! Do you have any photos of your 'S'? They are rare beasts these days. Did yours have a heater and has it still got its rubber mats instead of the carpet?

I sold it to a friend, after spending a fair few quid on storage like 

5 hours ago, Jerzy Woking said:

Was it relatively easy to haul it out from where it was parked up? I remember where it was when i dropped off the Suzuki to you.

I can’t remember if when you came it was in the garden up the back or on the front? 
 

we pushed it just down the road to his recovery truck, no brakes and clutch is erm in operational . 

[DSdriver 3547]

Driving just using the handbrake and knocking car in and out of gear with no clutch does take a bit of practice.

[stephen01 2055]

shiny new calliper, had to file the hubs slightly as they were just rubbing the new callipers, this is in part to upgrading to type14 callipers and partly because pattern parts, got both sides done, I have the old callipers to refurb in the future. 

 

As I’m renewing all the brakes, my attention then turned to the brake master cylinder, I have a seal kit for this, and was shocked at how easy this has come, like super easy, Im however unsure if it’s serviceable, it’s not in a good state, I’m also not sure how to get the little piston, is it even called a piston? out? 

ironically the couple of outside rubbers are in good nick.
 

 

I’ve taken it home to degrease, and look at. I may be ordering a new one but I’d prefer to refurb the old one, while you can buy pretty much everything for these cars, I do believe the old saying, they don’t make them like they used to! The callipers  have shown me this in terms of quality.

 

I know this bulkhead looks crap but it’s very solid, no rust thankfully, so will be degreased, rubbed back, primed and painted. 
 

[Six-cylinder 20857]

2 minutes ago, stephen01 said:

shiny new calliper, had to file the hubs slightly as they were just rubbing the new callipers, this is in part to upgrading to type14 callipers and partly because pattern parts, got both sides done, I have the old callipers to refurb in the future. 

 

As I’m renewing all the brakes, my attention then turned to the brake master cylinder, I have a seal kit for this, and was shocked at how easy this has come, like super easy, Im however unsure if it’s serviceable, it’s not in a good state, I’m also not sure how to get the little piston, is it even called a piston? out? 

ironically the couple of outside rubbers are in good nick.
 

 

I’ve taken it home to degrease, and look at. I may be ordering a new one but I’d prefer to refurb the old one, while you can buy pretty much everything for these cars, I do believe the old saying, they don’t make them like they used to! The callipers  have shown me this in terms of quality.

 

I know this bulkhead looks crap but it’s very solid, no rust thankfully, so will be degreased, rubbed back, primed and painted. 
 

A solid bulkhead is great news.

[SiC 20197]

Can you get genuine TRW, AP or similar big brand master cylinders for these? Out of the new parts, they do seem pretty good quality from the ones I've put on cars. Stay away from the cheaper and unbranded ones.

Other option is to send it off to refurb. I believe @Angrydicky works for someone that does it (Past Parts).

[Low Horatio gearbox 219]

3 hours ago, stephen01 said:

As I’m renewing all the brakes, my attention then turned to the brake master cylinder, I have a seal kit for this, and was shocked at how easy this has come, like super easy, Im however unsure if it’s serviceable, it’s not in a good state, I’m also not sure how to get the little piston, is it even called a piston? out? 

 

I know this bulkhead looks crap but it’s very solid, no rust thankfully, so will be degreased, rubbed back, primed and painted. 
 

Don't knock easy! 

My Rovers master cyliner was full up both sides sue to a split diaphragm and somewhat shagged with a bit of scoring, but a rebuild kit seems to have done the job as that was 16 months ago now. You may luck out too. Cheap new repro new ones were available but I was advised to avoid them  I will echo SiC and get a branded or professionally  refurbished one if you feel it's too far gone.

A solid bulkhead is what you want, who cares if it looks crap (it's  what I keep telling my dates anyway...)

 

[Jerzy Woking 3495]

4 hours ago, stephen01 said:

I can’t remember if when you came it was in the garden up the back or on the front? 
 

In front of the house. Looks as solid as you told me it was. Looking forward to seeing more of this. My mum had one as a stop gap car waiting for her new Fiesta was I was 18, and I "borrowed" it on several occassions!

[stephen01 2055]

I may well be getting ahead of myself a bit here I’m also spurned on by the blue acclaim!  While I’d love to go all out and do a full body restoration I have a few things stopping this, money, time, skill & space but to name a few.

My main aim is to get the car to a presentable condition and not completely hanging, I’m half confidant with a spray can in the sense that I can wield it around roughly in the direction of what I want covered in paint, results vary. 
 

I’m looking for some advise around primers and what not, obviously I’m looking for some rust treatment  and rust protection once treated. 
 
Reading online I’ve heard good stuff about vatacan rust treatment, this will be my treatment process and I’m thinking some zinc rich primer, this is where I need some help, there’s a few on the market, what’s the best? Are they all the same I know some are going to be higher zinc content than the others but surely the cheapest / worst is going to be better than just normal primer? 

Is a zinc primer even needed if it’s being pretreated with Vatican beforehand? Should I use an etch primer? Are all primers pours? Which ones aren’t? 

I’ll not be spraying the car in one big hit, more of a patchwork quilt affair, again I’m not going for a show car, I’m looking for durable, everyday outside all weather use. 
 
Top coats are a whole other story, 1k, 2k, clear coat no clear coat. 

If you’re reading this you’re probably thinking really? This guy wants to do his own spraying! 

like I say I know I may be getting ahead of myself a bit, but I want to start the top of the bulk head before I refit the brake & clutch cylinders. 

[Mrs6C 5881]

Finnegan's No.1 Rust Primer, every time. Rub down to as bare and smooth a metal surface as you can get and then brush on this primer. You can paint over it with anything.

[Mrs6C 5881]

Also, household gloss paint for exterior metalwork and woodwork isn't a bad way to paint an old car that has to live out in all weathers. It can go on very smoothly if you use a decent brush and take your time. Prepare the old paint with a good wash and scrub with Flash liquid in warm water and a scrim, then rinse and let dry. Lightly sand old paintwork for a key to the surface. Paint  on your gloss paint working from the top down and middle to outside edges.

Boat enamel for narrowboats is also a good choice for brush paint and can be cheaper.

[GingerNuttz 614]

On my Herald I've went bedliner inside and underneath, the body will be Epoxy-2k primer-basecoat then clear. I've also phosphoric acid washed the whole car inside and out just to kill any rust that sanding and grinding couldn't get to.

Epoxy isn't porous and can be left for months while you work on other parts of the car and offers superior rust protection compared to zinc and etch primers.

 

 

[stephen01 2055]

On 1/12/2021 at 9:48 AM, GingerNuttz said:

On my Herald I've went bedliner inside and underneath, the body will be Epoxy-2k primer-basecoat then clear. I've also phosphoric acid washed the whole car inside and out just to kill any rust that sanding and grinding couldn't get to.

Epoxy isn't porous and can be left for months while you work on other parts of the car and offers superior rust protection compared to zinc and etch primers.

@GingerNuttz what mask setup do you use? reading up on paints 2K just seems like it wants to kill you and you need a full air feed mask set up? This is a little unpractical for my set up if I'm honest, it's also not my house so don't want to piss off the sister-in-law too much. 

I'm looking at normal aerosol spray paints -  assuming this is all 1k? 

ProXL 1K Epoxy Primer Aerosol 500ml - Express Paints (express-paints.co.uk) 

I'm looking to use the above as a base primer, then possibly a high build / red oxide then colour.  What sort of masks etc would be recommended? final colour undecided but it will be a red of some sort.