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1 hour ago, martc said:

Right I'll stick me neck oot...

I think the van is a Morris J2, made from 1956.

Morris-Commercial on Twitter: "An assortment of Morris J2 newspaper  delivery vans working for the @EveningExpress https://t.co/wd3XIO24H0  #morriscommercial #morrisj2 #delivery #newspaper… https://t.co/x8C3kcRnrt"

Behind it could be a Hillman Minx, this variety, made from 1951, the girls love 'em...

Hillman 1952

But going the other way is something looking quite square at the back suggesting the 60's but with a 50's style rounded roof - a late 50's Ford? I think it's this one, or perhaps the bus, which will narrow it down a bit...

 

The Hillmans were from 1948 on. Very advanced styling for their day. The fact they did not sell in bigger numbers is that they were hobbled by a nasty side-valve engine well into the 50's and drove like a boat.  Totally outclassed by the  Minor really. I had one for a time - not much fun and they really did rust. Styled by Loewy studios which account for the modernity.

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5 hours ago, lesapandre said:

Having worked on this kind of stuff...its cost, security, legislation, off-site prefabrication and keeping it all low maintenance. There is also a woeful lack of imagination which is fed by a lack of any desire to do something different. Construction contracts are often competitive design and build to deliver within specified design constraints and outputs which leads to cheap and cheerless results. There is some great new railway architecture about but not universal alas.  

Crossrail now called the Elizabeth  line has some superb new stations  but cost billions - but even modest sums can work -  just needs a good client and a good design team. Rare on the cheap project where it is asphalt and a bus shelter. 

Your first paragraph sums up Ilkeston Railway Station perfectly; although a great success its bleak, unwelcoming, cynical and a perfect representation of corporate Britain in the 21st century. The second paragraph also highlights another problem we have in the UK...

Anyhow, less politics, more BW pictures...

Ilkeston & District Local History Society: Transport: Railways

Ilkeston station in 1961 (7 years before it was shut - Beeching, no surprises, leaving a medium sized town, on a main line, which still carried passenger trains, without a station for 50 years).

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5 hours ago, lesapandre said:

 I had one for a time - not much fun and they really did rust. Styled by Loewy studios which account for the modernity.

Not a great hit with the (miniature) girls then? What about the advert? What about legal, decent, honest and truthful?

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But they did cut a dash amongst the Ford Pops and other assorted sit up and begs of the time.

IMCDb.org: 1950 Hillman Minx Phase IV in "The Man from the ...

(except in Americashire).

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Yes the full-width styling and straight through wings was radically modern at the time. Pity about the mechanicals - Rootes were always a bit hand to mouth - with a better powertrain it could have beaten VW in export markets but woeful as it was at launch - who knows what it was like on a US freeway - only got to ohv in the 50's. Interestingly some were badged as Humbers in New Zealand.

0-60 in....wait for it.......39 seconds.

Lord Rootes was one of the British industrialists invited to review the VW Beetle after the war - nah he said it will never catch on.

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7 hours ago, lesapandre said:

Middle car is a Singer SM1500 or Hunter. Last of the real Singer cars.

No accident. I have a rather large soft spot for the SM1500. More so than the Hunter in fact as I think the upright grille makes the Hunter look more old fashioned.   Never clapped eyes on either in real life.

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1 hour ago, lesapandre said:

Yes the full-width styling and straight through wings was radically modern at the time. Pity about the mechanicals - Rootes were always a bit hand to mouth - with a better powertrain it could have beaten VW in export markets but woeful as it was at launch - who knows what it was like on a US freeway - only got to ohv in the 50's. Interestingly some were badged as Humbers in New Zealand.

0-60 in....wait for it.......39 seconds.

Lord Rootes was one of the British industrialists invited to review the VW Beetle after the war - nah he said it will never catch on.

I too had one, but it was badged as a Humber so was much better than a Hillman.  We got them as both because import licencing.

"Dear Government " said Mr Rootes, "can we import 5000 Hillman Minxes in boxes ?". "No Mr Rootes, you can only afford 2500. Mr Rootes went away for a think and soon asked this. "can we import 2500 Humber 10's in boxes and an extra box of badges and grilles ?".  "Yes Mr Rootes  (actually a Mr Todd), You can Afford them , we must let some of each makers products in".

So Todd Motors got the 5000 cars it wanted !

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Skut said:

No accident. I have a rather large soft spot for the SM1500. More so than the Hunter in fact as I think the upright grille makes the Hunter look more old fashioned.   Never clapped eyes on either in real life.

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They are rare as hens teeth.  Expensive when new and they sold well just post-war when there was a car shortage but sales fell off fast. I remember them as a child - a bit Rover P4-ish. Yup the restyle was a bit of a retro-move...maybe to appeal to their 'traditional customers'. A full width grille wd look better IMHO. Funny thing 50's car styling - trad vs mod.

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Car styling moved so fast in the 50's. The Hunter is about 1954. But the new Ford Anglia arrived four years later. Manufacturers needed deep pockets to keep modish - or as in the case of Singer go bust - the banks foreclosed and Rootes came calling. They kept the twin-cam engine in the Audax cars for a short time.

Shame - Singer made some ok sports cars which Rootes dropped. 

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On 10/13/2020 at 10:07 PM, lesapandre said:

Car styling moved so fast in the 50's. The Hunter is about 1954. But the new Ford Anglia arrived four years later. Manufacturers needed deep pockets to keep modish - or as in the case of Singer go bust - the banks foreclosed and Rootes came calling. They kept the twin-cam engine in the Audax cars for a short time.

Shame - Singer made some ok sports cars which Rootes dropped. 

Makes you wonder why Rootes bought into Singer at all. They didn't appear to have much interest in utilising the OHC engine beyond a brief period and surely had enough brands already . The production facilities can't have been much of a draw.

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11 hours ago, Skut said:

Makes you wonder why Rootes bought into Singer at all. They didn't appear to have much interest in utilising the OHC engine beyond a brief period and surely had enough brands already . The production facilities can't have been much of a draw.

Some of it was sentimental I think and some perhaps getting rid of the competition in these company take-overs in the 50's.  Rootes had sold Singers through their dealer network (they came into car manufacture in a funny way as dealers first then taking on brands to sell) and Lord Rootes had also  served his apprenticeship at Singer -   perhaps it was another marketing opportunity they saw too?  Or maybe they just wanted the factory premises and skilled workforce. 

Customers were much more brand loyal than today - they would have inherited the Singer customer base (for what it was) and sentiment. 

The Singer twin-cam engine was pretty good and the sports cars in some demand but were axed. 

Of course all this fiddling about did them no good in the end. Singer cars in the 60's always seemed a bit sad in their modest aspirations - and the brand soon was gone for ever.

But in their heyday they were rather fab...

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10 hours ago, Skut said:

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Peckham Park Road no less...just off the Old Kent Road...here is the nearest lamp post these days if you want to re-enact it in your Focus...(looks like  one of those rare snow days in London).

 The cabin of the Ford held up pretty well...but if you want to see why safety got more important in the 60's - see this:

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1 hour ago, lesapandre said:

Some of it was sentimental I think and some perhaps getting rid of the competition in these company take-overs in the 50's.  Rootes had sold Singers through their dealer network (they came into car manufacture in a funny way as dealers first then taking on brands to sell) and Lord Rootes had also  served his apprenticeship at Singer -   perhaps it was another marketing opportunity they saw too?  Or maybe they just wanted the factory premises and skilled workforce. 

Customers were much more brand loyal than today - they would have inherited the Singer customer base (for what it was) and sentiment. 

The Singer twin-cam engine was pretty good and the sports cars in some demand but were axed. 

Of course all this fiddling about did them no good in the end. Singer cars in the 60's always seemed a bit sad in their modest aspirations - and the brand soon was gone for ever.

But in their heyday they were rather fab...

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I guess Rootes also wanted a brand to bridge the gap between Hillman and Humber.

Chrysler dropped Singer in 1970 but the Vogues were briefly sold as Sunbeams.

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