Suggestion

[daveb47]

How about getting more or less back to normal

 

what do we want from board exactly in sensible language please.

 

how would you like to see it run.

 

Peronally i do believe we need some form of moderation,if only to curb the language a bit.(my grandson was looking over my shoulder the other day and i had to change pages quickly0

Its a CAR forum for christ sake.

I dont mean stop swearing etc but curb it where i tisnt nesessary..

Also the to my mind very excessive flaming for no real reason.

 

This board would gain many more useful members if these 2 things were curbed a bit.

Again,depends what you want of board.

 

How about an intelligent discussion about all this bullshit thats been going on.

 

What would you like to see happen on here.

 

I will go out of my way to help this board but i aint wasting my time & money on something where nobody gives a shit about anything but giving grief to other users.

Its here to help others,not humilate them.

[RedSparrow]

How about a 'hide thread' option?

[Station]

Yes hide thread would be useful for people complaining.

I can't think of anything else, but assume it will return to normal as it has in the past, if people can get over it and stop talking about it!!

[daveb47]

Banning members for not contributing isnt an option i dont think.

 

Hide tread should be possible.

[Albert Ross]

How about a 'name published' dislike button and a mod/admin generated 'limited posting' ability if the poster receives a lot of dislikes? That way there is absolute clarity. Also, if one person receives a lot of negs from a specific user, that would also flag up a warning to admin, relative to bullying etc.

[oldford]

You need a set of posting guidelines.  Ban any discussion of moderator decisions on the forum, doesn't the forum software have a swear filter?, that would get rid of most of it, if people feel the need to swear they'll get around it.

[Wilko220]

Another vote for the "hide thread" option. This would enable those who can't bear to read a point of view they disagree with to simply hide the whole thread from their view.

 

It wouldn't particularly bother me, but I suspect a swearing filter might prove unpopular.

 

Dislike buttons sending messages to moderators to then give out disciplinary action is all a bit 1984 and, I would suggest, certainly not a good thing. It would also be open to abuse by certain people.

[trigger]

Wilko, why do you feel to the need to add that as your signature and rub us up the wrong way? It's obvious you have a massive issue with people on here.

[warren t claim]

How about leaving well alone? We've coped ok the the past with troll posts and dummy spitters.

[Station]

I think banning members is going a bit too far. We're making this minor tussle out to be more than it is. I think you're doing a good job as admin Dave though.

[John F]

The site doesn't need anything doing with it, Dave.

 

The EML comes on every now and then, but it usually goes out on its own.

[barrett]

How about adding an option to insert a picture of a horse running towards a train in any post? I reckon that would save literally minutes of my life by not having to log into photobucket and C+P the image all the time

[dollywobbler]

'Do nothing' seems best really. People will have their temper tantrums, but it generally settles down again. Maybe we need a 'dislike' button rather than 'report' as I think people are reporting stuff that isn't really an issue. Sorry to say that I don't mind the strong language at all. I don't think it gets over-used and I wouldn't want to see it moderated. It'd screw up Mr Bollox for a start. Are there any opt-out filters that only censor for those who don't want to see the words?

 

I do agree that Wilko's signature is infuriating. That discussion has been had now, kindly stop making yourself look an arse. Generally, I didn't agree with your points but thought you were fairly level-headed. The signature thing just makes you look like someone who won't drop a point.

[tooSavvy]

How about adding an option to insert a picture of a horse running towards a train in any post? I reckon that would save literally minutes of my life by not having to log into photobucket and C+P the image all the time

ROFL....... oh yes!

[Junkman]

The site doesn't need anything doing with it, Dave.

 

The EML comes on every now and then, but it usually goes out on its own.

 

+1

 

It usually starts the week before full moon and ends two days after.

[Spiny Norman]

what do we want from board exactly in sensible language please.

 

how would you like to see it run.

 

Well, I've probably said what I want already, but since you're asking I'll try again.

In no way is this meant as a slight on any members, ex-mods, you or anyone else, OK?

 

Leave it alone and stop fucking with it.

 

With all due respect Dave you're still quite new to this board and while we're all hugely appreciative of the work you've done in getting the old girl through the MOT and fixing it so new bods can join up, you do seem to want to tinker with it rather a lot...

For years and years this place has rolled along just fine with virtually zero input from any management and that's the way a lot of us like it.

 

I often think of a forum being like a pub with its selection of friends, enemies, even cliques and yes, while the occasional fight breaks out sometimes it soon gets forgotten and things get patched up and we move on. It's not perfect but it works most of the time.

That's how AS used to be and that's how I'd like it to stay please.

 

Moderators?  Appoint a few people to help with the new member admissions/spam etc and have as a last resort if (and only if) world war 3 is kicking off, like it did with that Amercian fella a couple of years back. (Team blitz, or am I thinking of someone else?) otherwise leave everyone to their own devices.

 

 

And you can know what you can do with your fucking swear filter, don't you?.....

 

 

[Wilko220]

Wilko, why do you feel to the need to add that as your signature and rub us up the wrong way? It's obvious you have a massive issue with people on here.

I really don't have an issue with anyone - except for Cavette who seems to have taken it upon himself to turn this into a personal vendetta against me. And until he decided to start throwing abuse, I didn't have a problem with him either.

 

You may recall that I sent a PM to you both right at the very start of all this to make that clear. At least you (unlike Cavette) were kind enough to read it, although neither of you replied.

 

I added the signature because having, it seemed, been deliberately misrepresented as some kind of troublemaker, I just wanted to make it obvious where I was coming from. All along I have just being trying to make the point that mods were appointed in the first place for one specific reason.

 

I agree that it is no longer necessary now and I'm sorry for leaving it on longer than I should. I've removed it now.

[Cavcraft]

Perhaps a sticky with some basic pointers on it?

 

Maybe, just maybe, with everyone's help and some concise, clear pointers we might be able to head off any shit before it starts. We could even possibly have some sort of thing new users have to agree to before they post for the first time, with a box to tick to say they've read/understood it. I'm not on about war and peace, I mean a sticky at the top of the forum and the message put into the 'register' option.

 

Yes, there is every chance people won't read it but surely if everyone is told no trolling, abuse, or threads about politics, banger racing or whatever then IF they become prevalent or arguing starts then the threads get locked by whoever is moderator?

 

Oh, a guide on the sticky on how to put users on 'ignore' would help too I reckon.

[trigger]

You know, all that happened was a banger racing thread was getting ugly (and fuckin boring), so Billy decided the best course of action was to lock it, thats all that happened, it was a shit thread that got locked, then a few members decided they didn't like that and got all huffy making snidey comments and bitching towards all the mods, (I was asleep after a nightshift during all this) sending us PM telling us what we was doing was wrong and generally making themselves look silly.

 

It's not wonder Dave shut up shop and done away with us being mods and has left the door open for spammers to join now, I don't know if it's the heat affecting you but some of you need to step back away from the keyboard and just think about that your writing and how it affects others, It's only a car forum at the end of the day!  

 

Sorry Wilko but some of your comments have annoyed me as they weren't necessarily and came across as pointless nastiness, it's time all this bollocks got dropped and we moved on..

[Angrydicky]

I don't usually get involved in these kind of threads but I'd just like to thank Dave for all his work on the forum and I hope he sticks around. I can't stand over-moderation, but in the past we've had threads that really went off the rails and people left because there were no mods to remove them and they were just left to fester. I'm sure at least one of these threads was about banger racing as well.

 

Unfortunately, in the past members have proved they aren't grown up enough to handle an unmoderated forum, so there do need to be moderators I feel.

 

I agree with Oldford in that we need some guidelines, except I think the swearing is great, generally no-one gives a fuck and that's what I like about this place.

[Wilko220]

 

Sorry Wilko but some of your comments have annoyed me as they weren't necessarily and came across as pointless nastiness, it's time all this bollocks got dropped and we moved on..

I agree and I'm sorry if that's the way you feel.

[Spiny Norman]

... a few members decided they didn't like that and got all huffy making snidey comments and bitching towards all the mods

 

Perhaps ONE member made "snidey" comments, the rest of us tried reasoned debate on what was seen by many as something worth discussing. Show me something "snidey" or "bitchy" in anything I've written....

 

This was the very first moderation decision on this board in God knows how many years, and surprise, surprise it got questioned. If it hadn't been this particular thread on this particular day it would have happened sooner rather than later, we all know that.

 

So what's happened as a result of this? All the mods threw their toys out the pram and quit. The VERY FIRST minor incident, and it's proven too much for the new mod team.

Sorry mate, you need ask yourself the question, who's failed who here?

 

Now I know the mod team were subject to PMs of varying intellect and intent, but that's part & parcel of being a mod on a forum. You didn't get any from me. I don't do business that way, if I have something to say I'll say for all to see and if anyone wants to disagree with me or correct me, I'm listening. But hey, all this is just more "bitching" so let's get back to this....

 

If we're to have moderators on this board, what's expected of them? That's what I thought this thread was for.

 

 

[HillmanImp]

Can I post this again, from the GOM thread back in December.  

 

 

Grump - Brilliant, more whinging about how shit Autoshite is/a picture is not on right/is not a subject that is enjoyable to someone/the forums shit/oh we had this thread before in march 1986.....TBH, the whinging is getting on my nerves more than the actual 'offences'.

And now by whinging about it, I have been made to do exactly what is annoying me. Fucksticks. However I have put it in the grump thread rather than grumping up every other sodding thread on here so feel that I am slightly redeemed.

If you don't like it don't read it, it should hopefully drop off the page. Like the fuggin shite pet/ shite christmas thread. I have absolutely no interest in it so just ignored it completely as I know it will be full of stuff I don't care for. Oddly the pet one proved popular for some reason for a thread on a motoring forum but its not my forum so who cares. But I suppose that probably how many people feel about the Bike thread as they have no interest in bikes. I do like bikes so I do look at that one but I normally look at Retrobike or Singletrack for bike shizzle.

Everyone on here has a right to post what they want how they want, that's the nature of a largely unmoderated forum isn't it. If someone is doing something you don't like instead of posting bad vibes on the forum PM them instead saying you don't like it and could they please not do it as it takes away my enjoyment from the forum for X reason and they might listen. It takes the same amount of time and does not pollute the thread with even more shit than the shit that you are fucking complaining about (and again I realise I am being a fucking MASSIVE hypocrite once again).

If someone is breaking some sort of unwritten Autoshite code of conduct that some people seem to think there is, just say it to them nicely if you are putting it on the thread or like I say PM. Most people probably only just pop on here every now and then and might not be up to speed with the do's and dont's so you may need to repeat yourself as not everyone will read every page of every thread to know what the correct 'code of conduct' is and you would like them to do. I honestly find the arguing about posting correctly more annoying than the original error (FUCKING HYPOCRACY AGAIN - FUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKK!)

If everything really is pissing everyone off so much why not ask the management for a 'Forum guidelines' sticky. Not enforceable its a free to roam forum largely unless you are a douchebag troll, but at least a guide for people. However if there is a thread started to decide how everything should be done, then it will undoubtedly be the worst thread in history with people arguing over nothing. As I wrote this I have realised that it is probably the worst idea in the world since this:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyrLWsCUfqs5ajQGLVZU93xCjDtGPXPofPO7qmp7e7AVdyHNJduw

If its a shit thread about christmas fucking trees don't reply. Like the spam ignore it and it will fuck off. Instead we have a bunch of replies even more pointless than the original post bumping it up to the top each time.

And for my encore I am going to wage war against the Koran and its infidel followers with my belief in the Lords Bible or something.

 

[M'coli]

If we're to have moderators on this board, what's expected of them? That's what I thought this thread was for.

I believed the moderators were to approve new members to prevent the board being overrun by spammers, both human and spambot type.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

Well, I've probably said what I want already, but since you're asking I'll try again.

In no way is this meant as a slight on any members, ex-mods, you or anyone else, OK?

 

Leave it alone and stop fucking with it.

 

With all due respect Dave you're still quite new to this board and while we're all hugely appreciative of the work you've done in getting the old girl through the MOT and fixing it so new bods can join up, you do seem to want to tinker with it rather a lot...

For years and years this place has rolled along just fine with virtually zero input from any management and that's the way a lot of us like it.

 

I often think of a forum being like a pub with its selection of friends, enemies, even cliques and yes, while the occasional fight breaks out sometimes it soon gets forgotten and things get patched up and we move on. It's not perfect but it works most of the time.

That's how AS used to be and that's how I'd like it to stay please.

 

Moderators?  Appoint a few people to help with the new member admissions/spam etc and have as a last resort if (and only if) world war 3 is kicking off, like it did with that Amercian fella a couple of years back. (Team blitz, or am I thinking of someone else?) otherwise leave everyone to their own devices.

 

 

And you can know what you can do with your fucking swear filter, don't you?.....

 

+1 on that. Moderators should only get involved only where there's a real threat of things getting nasty on a large scale. Tedious threads and the odd off-the-cuff remark don't fall under that heading.

 

I think studebaker and others underestimate the pressure exerted on mods from people reporting things they don't like. Mods need to be firmer in telling people that this is not really their remit.

 

I also support the 'hide thread' option.

 

I'm sure we'll go back to normal soon enough- don't dramatise things, everyone can struggle with change at times.

[warren t claim]

<insert picture of penis running towards train>

[Spiny Norman]

I think studebaker and others underestimate the pressure exerted on mods from people reporting things they don't like. Mods need to be firmer in telling people that this is not really their remit.

 

I've been a mod/admin on a couple of forums and my philosophy was always what I say it is. IE so long as it's not spam, porn or just downright offensive my reply would be 'thanks for your input, however....' and that seemed to keep the peace. Maybe at most I'd PM the person concerned to 'have a polite word' but very rarely did I ever actually have to DO any moderation.

That's the best way of doing what can be a very annoying job if you let it become so.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

I've been a mod/admin on a couple of forums and my philosophy was always what I say it is. IE so long as it's not spam, porn or just downright offensive my reply would be 'thanks for your input, however....' and that seemed to keep the peace. Maybe at most I'd PM the person concerned to 'have a polite word' but very rarely did I ever actually have to DO any moderation.

That's the best way of doing what can be a very annoying job if you let it become so.

 

Yes, you obviously handle it correctly. However, it's an easy trap to fall in for somebody who hasn't thought about it in advance.

[trigger]

Just for the record, we haven't quit as mods, although I did talk of it as I was fed up with all the daggers being thrown, but Dave removed all the mods from the board and closed the hidden board for the staff to discuss the best course of action against these reports we were getting.

[Cavcraft]

So none of us thought about things in advance then when people complained about threads, posts and users? Once again a no win situation, people felt aggrieved enough to complain about something, did the right thing by alerting someone to it then get flamed for doing so?

Surely if people didn't say something to a moderator then it'll just lead to more e-wars on here as they tackle the problem had on and an argument starts again.

Regarding the 'Moderators should only get involved only where there's a real threat of things getting nasty on a large scale'  bit then that actually is what happened as I could smell trouble on the banger thread so locked it.

You can't really have a situation where something is obviously going to cause trouble but it's ignored until it goes off the radar as people have different thresh holds, so that sort of thing is either moderated or it's not. I'm not trying to pick an argument by the way, just calling it as I see it.

 

For the (stuck) record Wilko's offhand, sneering arrogant dismissal of Dave's reply in the help thread is what did it for me. I couldn't give a flying shite if he hates the site of my username, has a voodoo doll of me or spends his time slating me, as he's really just not important enough to count or register. I don't like him and the feeling is mutual so it's best I ignore him and as he has such a big problem with me I'm sure he's doing the same.

 

Let sleeping dogs lie etc.