Old chod banned in Paris

[JohnDeere]

Anything over 17 years old, and bikes older than 2004, to be banned inside the Peripherique. No, it's not April 1st.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9672713/Old-bangers-and-classic-cars-to-be-banned-from-Paris.html

[Mike D]

Sweet! I'm off over to bag me some gallic Shite!

[Morgan84]

That makes no real sense;you can have a shed of a 7 year old car not as well maintained mechanically and cosmetically as a 17 year old one.If its image you want,would you want a older classic icon type of car,such as a 2CV,or maybe something older and classier like a old Jaguar or Bentley or perhaps a 5 year old Matiz .....

[HMC]

Odd, and given the traffic volumes affected, fairly pointless

[oman5]

Odd, and given the traffic volumes affected, fairly pointless

That settles it. I won't go there. As someone once said, the only problem with France is the French.

[Black_GT]

I don't see this being enacted, what a ridiculous idea, especially for a socialist party! Banning all pre-2004 moped because they're "noisy"? Incidentally I spotted a link on the page to another Telegraph article: apparently the scrappage scheme should be brought back and kept indefinitely?! Some choice quotes:

 

Everyone was a winner in the government scheme to get old bangers off our roads

 

Arguably, scrappage even ticked the environmental boxes, with the carbon-belching jalopies being taken off the road and shiny green clean machines taking their place

 

LOL

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9656651/Bring-back-the-scrappage-scheme.html

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

OMG POLITIX POST!!1!111!

 

I think people are getting confused- this 'nanny-state' is what socialism is all about.

 

The fact that the Tories are a bunch of self-serving shysters doesn't make socialism any less evil.

 

 

I am incredibly annoyed by this news item. I'd like to see it taken to the European Court of Human Rights and defeated due to being in breach of freedom of movement, one of the key principles of the Union.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

[panhard65]

Knowing the French it will never happen. How will the poor old farmers be able to protest if they can't all drive their tractors into paris to demonstrate

[Craig the Princess]

This won't happen because the French have balls. When their government does something unpopular they will cause merry hell until it is revoked or they will ignore it (see smoking indoors).

 

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I think people are getting confused- this 'nanny-state' is what socialism is all about.

 

The fact that the Tories are a bunch of self-serving shysters doesn't make socialism any less evil.

 

Can we not turn this in to a debate on socialism? The last thing we need is a debate on the evils of capitalism/socialism.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

There is no debate about it: totalitarianism is evil- fullstop.

 

[it may, however, be useful to note the obvious fact (which is nonetheless routinely ignored in the US and elsewhere) that having decent unemployment benefits and free healthcare doesn't mean that you're living in a socialist country]

[Craig the Princess]

There is no debate about it: totalitarianism is evil- fullstop.

 

[it may, however, be useful to note the obvious fact (which is nonetheless routinely ignored in the US and elsewhere) that having decent unemployment benefits and free healthcare doesn't mean that you're living in a socialist country]

 

The debate on Socialism and Totalitarianism are two different things though (not getting into this, go to bed Craig )

[Pete-M]

[Craig the Princess]

Pete you are a clever bloke, you drive a Jag after all. But Communism and Socialism are as different as a Lada and a Maestro.

Hang on, bad Analogy.

 

As different as Clement Attlee and Joe Stalin.

[Pete-M]

Must.... find.... better.... bait....

[CortinaDave]

This kind if stuff really grates my cheese. I like driving old chod - always have, whether I've been making good money or been totally skint. I don't understand why folk happily get themselves into £20k of debt to drive a newish Mondeo when a ten year old one will do exactly the same job for 500 quid.

 

Then champion the wonder government sticks its beak in to try and force the hand of those of us who don't want to join the keeping up with the neighbours number plate club. They can bugger off.

[Junkman]

Bloody good news!

 

Shitloads of old French autoshite up for grabs soon, and not too far from England!

 

I want a 'trelle.

[Micrashed]

IF, and knowig the froggies its a big IF this does come to pass, how log before its adopted in many other Euro cities, we already have the rather amusingly named London LEZ.

how long before we have a Birmingham LEZ, Manchester LEZ, Liverpool LEZ and Preston LEZ ad slowly older cars are driven off the road in the name of "being green"?

 

Public transport is all well and good and I would use it a lot more if it was as cheap as running a car or bike, as clean as my car and as frequent as my car (if you know what I mean). But it isnt, we get one crowded over priced train an hour into the major town, no buses of any regularity serving the large out of town shopping supermarkets, no local shops offering the same range or price of produce that the out of town supermarkets do & so on. So the car is a nesessary evil, but I dont want to me up to my arse in debt to drive one.

[messerschmitt owner]

the key element of this is the huge fine the EU will give paris if the air isn't cleaned up.

 

There are LEZs all over Europe already. I sold a seven year old motorhome as I could no longer take it to London. It had cost £45000 new and at seven couldn't be driven into the biggest city in Britain without paying a 'fine' of £500. Now I take a 1995 Citroen XM diesel to London and I bet it pollutes more than the van did!

[Station]

A 1990 Peugeot 205 1.1 is more polluting than a 3.0 X5? Interesting.

 

Headline is misleading, it's also 'intended' so will not come into being.

[Partridge]

Try this on and they’ll be dusting a certain sharp instrument of historical importance off. To quite Duke Nukehem: This. Won’t. Stand.

 

And one minute they’re telling us diesel is green, and the next it’s dirtier than petrol?

[cort16]

France is a weird place for cars. All that 2 breathalyzers, high viz jacket stuff very nanny state, which you don't associate with the French. The road tolls are also anabsolute fortune if you want to go any distanceand seem to littered with bloody speed cameras on a hair trigger.

And a note to the French service stations and their automated coffee machines, I just want a coffee, not a small bag full of coffee I then need to stuff into some orrifice on the coffee machine. That's how that coffee machine ended up getting broken.

[Junkman]

France is a weird place.

 

EFA

[dieselnutjob]

will it apply to foreign vehicles? how will they enforce this?

[richardthestag]

Anything over 17 years old, and bikes older than 2004, to be banned inside the Peripherique. No, it's not April 1st.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9672713/Old-bangers-and-classic-cars-to-be-banned-from-Paris.html

 

no great loss,

a) Paris is all dog shit on pavements and bloody Parisiennes.

driving inside the Peripherique is hell and i never intend to go there again

c) the Parisiennes et al will riot against it before it goes anywhere

[Pete-M]

will it apply to foreign vehicles? how will they enforce this?

 

The way the emissions zones in Germany work probably. To avoid being fined you buy an emissions sticker. To buy it to have to produce your V5 and they look that particular model up on a database and that's where the emissions data comes from.

 

Not listed? No sticker. No sticker? Big fine. Petrol cars you can retrofit a cat and produce the emissions data (which I think must be TUV tested).

 

French will do something similar I imagine.

[Junkman]

will it apply to foreign vehicles? how will they enforce this?

 

The way the emissions zones in Germany work probably. To avoid being fined you buy an emissions sticker. To buy it to have to produce your V5 and they look that particular model up on a database and that's where the emissions data comes from.

 

Not listed? No sticker. No sticker? Big fine.

 

Don't forget that cars 30 years or older are exempt from the Umweltplakette in .de

Any car 30 years or older is considered cultural heritage in Germany, a bit like a listed building.

[worldofceri]

So what happens to all the German cars that are too old to have a cat but not yet thirty?

 

Are they evacuated to the countryside until the (self-appointed) moral and intellectual elite deem they are part of their 'cultural heritage', at which point they are permitted to re-enter the cities?

[Junkman]

So what happens to all the German cars that are too old to have a cat but not yet thirty?

 

They are either banger raced, or tucked away until they are 30, believe it, or not. Also, there are very few old cars in cities,

where cars usually don't enjoy long and pampered lives and where very few people have the means to afford proper storage.

Old cars are predominantly kept in the country.

 

However, fewer and fewer cars are problematic as time progresses. Cats were introduced in 1986, so there are now only four years of cars left, that fall under the neither cat nor 30 category.

All cars post 86 can be retrofitted to meet E3 standard, which is sufficient to get a green Umweltplakette.

[Mash]

I can (kind of) understand it in London but it's bollocks for a lot of places. At what point do you draw the borders? I live near Hull and the city centre is at best a hundred yards across and mostly pedestrianised. It's not worth arguing over - I'll just get the bus or park a bit further out, more park and ride schemes would help the cause enormously. Or just go to the retail park and the city centre will be more bleak than it already is.