forddeliveryboy Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Is there any truth in the idea that SAIC only bother with the UK so that the cars can be sold in China as European and therefore better than the 'only sold in China' home-market crap? I read it on one of the other forums and it seems to make as much sense as anything else. Well, I don't buy CAR magazine anymore, don't hang around in the Sainsbury's magazine counter while Mum does the shopping, etc. and in the last 3 years have had lots of children, wife and what have you - but do still try and watch TG on iplayer but I didn't know this car was on sale to the masses. I really think the Chinese are either quite stupid, or are simply wanting to describe their home-market cars as 'sold in Europe/UK'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtd2000 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 The car has an waft of Proton Gen 3 about it to me - e.g. has a bit of the look of a Mazda 3 but is really a bag of cheap nuts and bolts that will depreciate faster than a thing that depreciates fast.. I really DO NOT understand the pricing structure at all - hell it's a cheap copy of some nondescript car in the first place, adorned with a badge that suggests some sort of pedigree belonging to a marque that also produced shitty cars at the best of times. Have the base model going out the door for £8999 and the top of the range one for £12999 and you "might" have a chance that somebody would come in and take one for a test drive - the prices are at comedy levels. These things are probably produced in China for a couple of thousand dollars at the most - they should have an excellent warranty like the Koreans if they want to make any inroads on the market. I still can't see any reason you'd choose this over the equivalent Hyundai Or KIA unless you were a completely un-savvy car buyer??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUNO Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Prices in the antipodies, just for fun.. MG6 Magnette 1.8 man. $30000 Kia Cerato $30-38500 Rio $23-26000Mitsubishi Lancer $41-41000 Mirage $19-22000Peugeot 308 $30-39000Renault Fluence $35000Skoda Octavia $34-54000 (Superb started at $46000 for an 1800)Suzuki Swift $20-29000 SX4 $27000Hyundai Accent $32-36000Great Wall X240 $29000 (SUV)Foton Tunland 2.8 D $30000 (four door utility)Chery J3 $16000 So the price is good for a PREMIUM EUROPEAN SEDAN !!!Because it is sold here as just that. Sorry I should not say SOLD, should say on the market.I also noticed that Geely has gone from the listings so that confirms there were very few sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-M Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 To veer off slightly in the traditional AS stylee. Young lad (18-19) who comes to my mates garage, he's always had shite old bikes, ancient CB100s, that kind of thing. Not got a full licence, stuck on 125s. Turns up last week on a Jianshee (or something similar sounding) 125 Custom thing. Brand spanking new, 13 plate, Less than 50 miles on it and on the first 'temporary' tax disc I've seen in years.. Foot peg already rusted 50% through, chrome beginning to blister, signs of the dreaded tinworm already visible. Ok, it's cheap. If it lasts a year without terminally breaking it's fairly cheap transport. A few hundred quid to insure instead of a three grand to insure a Punto or summat. It was about a grand with leathers and a lid thrown in (decent lid, leathers are better than a tracksuit). But to buy a car for £18k that may not be much better built? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 It's entirely possible he won't get a year out of it. My friend's son bought a Yamaha Dragstar copy a few years ago. It had already been sold "spares or repair" by its first owner, fettled and used by the second owner and was back in the same state by the time my friend's son bought it. It was 18 months old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 ^^^^^All this comes from people who love shite like Yugo, Polonez, Lada Etc.I challenge someone real on here to actually sit in one and maybe even drive one. Then the truth will come out The difference being a Yugo, Polonez or Lada isn't going to cost several thousand quid and isn't going to lose that much within a record amount of time. I'd also be willing to bet no-one on here actually thinks any of those cars are the pinnacle of engineering or greatest motor ever made. There is no comparison between those and the new MG in that respect, as you're comparing apples with pears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendry Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Thought I'd add an unbiased view here now I've actually driven one of these things, First things first I work for a hire car firm which supplies cars to non fault accident victims (going to be even more hated now I've said that) and we have them on fleet although mostly at our English branches and until a few weeks ago had managed to avoid them, anyway we collected it from a client today any on first impressions IMO its not a bad looking car on the outside although the burnt orange paintwork doesn't do it any favours, it was the 5 door 1.8 model, not sure which spec but paperwork said 160bhp which sounds decent enough. Reg plates said "MG Sales Centre" and it turns out they were bought on A buyback deal with Greenhous (a Staffordshire Vauxhall dealer oddly) The engine when idling judders like its about to stall, the front seats are a half arsed attempt at sports seats but the bolsters are too close together and you feel squashed in to the middle, the stereo is either crap or is already borked as it cannot find any stations, it just continually seeks, and the plastics are hard and scratchy and look like they will be worn out very quickly, I'd go so far as to say a Kia Mentor feels more quality inside. Then there's the gearbox which is very notchy and sometimes is stiff to go into gear. The dash is horrible with the clear Perspex that covers the speedo dials reaching half way across the dash, and as for the handbrake, its a weird contraption which seems like it functions like a normal handbrake but infact the release button is on the underside of the lever, not on the end. The ignition key is obviously so tricky to use there's even a card on the keyring telling you how to operate it. Also this cars a 62 plate so we will have had it no more than 9months and its due for defleet (most cars get kept for at least 2 years) so this is where all the £8K 2nd hand ones you see Are from, MG obviously couldn't shift them so gave generous buyback deals to fleets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete-M Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 That Chinese 125 I was talking about earlier in this thread. The lad came back in with it today. It's finished. Rear shock absorber mounts on the frame have snapped. To fix it would mean stripping the bike down to pretty much nothing, removing the snapped bolts - they're welded in place - replacing them in a slightly better way then rebuilding the bike around them.Sent him back to the supplying dealer. It's got to have some sort of warranty, and as it's the actual bike frame that's failed we recommended he got his money back. No doubt next week he'll rock up on another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUNO Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Thanks Hendry, it seems that they are not the best ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUNO Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 how mr Datsun learned to make cars Datsun 12 (Austin 7) Datsun A40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacquer Peel Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 How Ian SAIC learned to make MGs. Drove MG-Rover to collapse.Demolished most of Longbridge.Waited until their customer base petered out and died.Relaunched the brand with a car MG-Rover should have launched in 2005. But in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSparrow Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 You forgot to add:Price the car at about £4000 more than it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtd2000 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 You forgot to add:Price the car at about £4000 and it should be a winner.EFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Lobster Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I was reading that in May they sold the grand total of 13 new cars from their around 30 UK dealerships. I can't work out why MG are bothering unless they really thought they could sell loads of them for some reason and more to the point, who are these 13 people who chose one over anything else cheaper / better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I can't work out why MG are bothering unless they really thought they could sell loads of them for some reason. I think there must be some political reason for it, possibly to tick a box that needs to be ticked before something else can happen. They aren't priced to sell, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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